The Arrow Of Shiva

[BhForce]

Bloom, thanks you for posting a very interesting interpretation. I always relish listening to additional interpretations of Gurbani. Gurbani is agam-bodh, and there are many levels of understanding, some or all of which can be true at the same time.

[Only five]

3. Please post other examples of mythological references from Gurbani or other points which detractors don't like in Dasam Bani, but are accepting (for the moment) in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, in this thread.

BhForce are you refering to Gurbani like this:

This Shabad is by Guru Angad Dev Ji in Raag Aasaa on Pannaa 469

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Second Mehla:

eyk ik®snµ srb dyvw dyv dyvw q Awqmw ]

eaek kirasana(n) sarab dhaevaa dhaev dhaevaa th aathamaa ||

The One Lord Krishna is the Divine Lord of all; He is the Divinity of the individual soul.

Awqmw bwsudyvis´ jy ko jwxY Byau ] nwnku qw kw dwsu hY soeI inrMjn dyau ]4]

aathamaa baasudhaevasiy jae ko jaanai bhaeo || naanak thaa kaa dhaas hai soee nira(n)jan dhaeo ||4||

Nanak is a slave to anyone who understands this mystery of the all-pervading Lord; he himself is the Immaculate Divine Lord. ||4||

[Guest Bloom]

In My Opinion,

If People Could Hear Little Sounds from Far! They would be considered 'Supernatural', but Horses can do it! If Humans could Smell things that are undetectable to the rest of humans, they would be considered 'SuperNatural', but dogs and pigs can do it! If You Could Stay in Water For Ever! SuperNatural! There are Countless Animals, Elephants, Ants, Birds, Insects, Fish, Etc. Etc. Etc.!! Countless Countless Countless!!! Species who can do things, that if People can do it, it would be considered 'SuperNatural!' But, it is what it is, we just continue, we don't even think a big deal of it! WE KILL THEM OUT!!! WE ARE IGNORANT!!

Okay, we Think nothing of These Insects, and Birds that Can Fly, and Elephants that can Feel with Their Feet Vibrations, etc..etc..ETC..!! in the Same way, Guru Sahib Thinks NOTHING GREAT OF THOSE WITH SIDDHIS OF COUNTLESS SORTS!!! NOT ONLY THIS REALM!!! BUT OTHERS AS WELL!!! GURU SAHIB COMPLETELY BYPASSES THEM AND TALKS DIRECTLY OF THE TRUE POWER!!!! FROM WHICH EVERYTHING CAME!!!! ALL POWERS KNOWN ARE FROM THE TRUE SOURCE!!! ALL THAT IS IN THE CREATION EVERYWHERE IN ALL REALMS, THAT TOO IS JUST A TEEENIIEEE WEEENEEEIE BIT OF IT!!! THE TRUE SHIV, THE TRUE BRAHM, THE TRUE AKAAL, THE TRUE NIRANJAN, THE TRUE KIRPAAL, THE TRUE GOPAAL, THE TRUE HAR, THE TRUE THE TRUE THE TRUE SOURCE AND CREATOR!!!!!!!! THE LIST CAN GO OOONNNNNNNNN AND WILL NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR END!!!!!!! IS THE TRUE CREATOR!!! THE GURU IS IN CONTACT WITH THIS TRUE SOURCE OF EVERYTHINGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BYPASSING THE CREATION THAT IS NAMED AFTER THE CREATOR, THE GURU TALKS DIRECTLY OF THE CREATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND TO THE CREATOR ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TALKING OF GAMES WITHIN THE CREATION (including other Realms), CAN BUILD GYAN, BUILD JUGATI, BUILD DHARMA! THE JYOT OF KHALSA IS ALWAYS EMERGED IN THE SOURCE OF EVERYTHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THOSE THAT ARE FORTUNATE, FALL AT THE FEET OF THE TRUE GURU!!!

CHARDI KALA!!!!!

On a Side Note: Opinions on SIDDHIS AND STUFF…

Siddhis is just the next 'evolution' of man. Siddhis is built through concentration. Anyone can get Siddhis. It is built on Concentration. There are many methods, including immense focus on different mantras, even ants! etc..etc..etc..!There are Countless Different Surtis, Etc. Etc. Etc.!! KHALSA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!!!!!! SIDDHIS COME NATURALLY TO KHALSA!!!! MANY KHALSA DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY HAVE SIDDHIS!!! LOL!!!! AND THAT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE!!! SIDDHIS ARE THE NEXT STAGE OF MAHA MAYA AND CAN GET A PERSON TRAPPED BEYOND COMPREHENSION!! TRANSMIGRATION alert!!!!!! alert!!!!! SIDDHIS CAN MAKE PEOPLE RAKSHISH!!! SAINTS DON'T GIVE ANY 'BIG UPS' TO SIDDHIS!!! THEY IGNORE THEM EVEN!!!!!! THEY SHOULD!!! ANYONE CAN FALL!!!! SAINTS CAN BECOME RAKHSHISH!!! RAKHSHISH CAN EVEN BECOME SAINTS!!! BUT, KHALSA IGNORES THIS PATH!!!!!!! EVEN IF THEY GET THEM AUSPICIOUSLY!!!!!!!!

If a Person is a good person or a bad person, just say they are poor, and then get really rich, lets say 'multi-multi trillionaire'. Okay….so the good person might actually become bad, and do some bad stuff with this money, maybe rule the world with injustice. A bad person might become good, nobody knows. SAME WITH SIDDHIS!!!! A PERSON CAN GET THEM WITH GOOD INTENTIONS AND TURN BAD!!!!! STAY AWAY FROM THIS FOCUS!!!!!!!!!!!!! But they exist…. The next stage of 'evolution', will include material maya, and siddhis as well. But, lets tackle that when that happens, For Now. But, you know the Siddhas who met with Guru Nanak Sahib..Well, those schools etc..are ALIVE AND WELL!!!! Schools, meaning in 'gupt'. Many MANY THINGS ARE HAPPENING!!! RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!

But Neways, KHALSA IS ALWAYS GURU SHABAD SURAT ORIENTED!!! ALWAYS!!! ALWAYS KEEPS IN REHIT!!! REHIT IS THE SAVIOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! LEAVE REHIT OF KHALSA!!!! A PERSON CAN BECOME RAKHSHISH IF THEY LEAVE KHALSA REHIT!!!!! ESPECIALLY IF THEY LEARN THE ART OF FOCUS!!!!!!!! ETC!!! THEY WILL TURN IT ON MAYA!!!!!!!!!!! THEY CAN BECOME VERY EVIL!!!!!!!

THERE ARE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW!!! WHO CAN DO SOME 'COOL' LOL!!! EVEN 'EVIL' STUFF!!!! STAY AWAY FROM THIS FOCUS EVEN IF THEY COME INTO THE LIMELIGHT IN THE NEAR FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!! ALWAYS STAY IN KHALSA REHIT, KHALSA SHABAD ORIENTED!!!! ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DASAM PATSHAH BANI IS FOR THE FUTURE TOO!!!!!! THE PREM, GYAN, BIR RAS, ETC!!!!! FOR KHALSA WILL BE NEEDED!!!!!!!!! EVEN ON EARTH FOR EXAMPLE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BORN WITH 2 HEADS (SIAMESE TWINS ETC..ETC!!! HERE 2, MAYBE SOME OTHER REALM 10??!? HOW ABOUT MAYBE HERE EVEN BEFORE? DID DINOSAURS EXIST? DID ANYTHING ELSE EXIST? WHERE ARE THEY NOW? WHAT ELSE HAPPENED?…..) EVEN FOUR LEGS AND FOUR ARMS (though they were perhaps not functional this time! But other realms They could Be!!!! And perhaps future here too!!!?!?!?!?!!!! Maybe just a Few People?!?!?!?!?!!?

http://www.weirdasia...egs-and-4-arms/

Here maybe we ride horses! Elephants! Sure, How about a Liger? Anyone Tried? Maybe Some Other Time in the Future? Maybe it was Before? Maybe in Other Realms??!?! THERE ARE MANY THINGS!!!! KHALSA IS KNOWER OF THE CREATOR!!! THE CREATION IS PART OF CREATOR!!! GURUS' KHALSA IS FOCUSED ON THE DIRECT SOURCE OF EVERYTHING!!!! THAT IS WHO GURU SAHIB IS CONNECTED TO!!!! THE KARTA PURAKH!!!!! THE EK ONGGGGKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!!!! WE BYPASS THE CREATION!!!! GURU TALKS DIRECTLY TO THE CREATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE LIVE WITH JUGATI IN THE CREATION!!!!! KHALSA IS MOST EXALTED!!!!!

EVERYTHING WITHIN SRI GURUGRANTH SAHIB JI, DASAM PATSHAH BANI, BHAI GURDAS JI BANI, BHAI NAND LAL SINGH BANI, BHAI GURDAS SINGH BANI IS REAL!!!!! NOT MYTHOLOGY!!!! THERE ARE COUNTLESS GAMES GOING ON IN COUNTLESS PLACES!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE TECHNOLOGY OF GURMAT RAAG WITH GURMAT INSTRUMENTS IS REAL!!!!! THE SPIRIT IS REAL!!!!!! THE NAADS EXIST!!!! THE GURMAT RAAGS ARE REAL!!!!! KHALSA IS CONNECTED TO THE DIRECT SOURCE OF EVERYTHING!!!!!! THE POORAN TRUE GURU OF THE KHALSA IS EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALWAYS STAY GUR SHABAD FOCUSED!!!! KHALSA IS JOINED WITH GURUGRANTH SAHIB JI!!! TO THE TRUE CREATOR!!! THE CREATOR WHO CREATED EVERYTHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KHALSA IS ALSO KNOWER OF SECRETS!!!!! DHAN DHAN DASAM PATSHAH BANI!!!!!

THE KHALSA HAS EVERYTHING!!! BLISS!!! KNOWLEDGE!!! AWARENESS!!! BRAHM GYAN!!! BIR RAS!!! YOU NAME IT!!! THE KHALSA GOT IT!!!! THE KHALSA ARE POORAN SAINTS!!!! THE KHALSA ARE POORAN WARRIORS!!!! THE KHALSA HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF GAMES INCOMPREHENSIBLE!!!!!

DHAN DHAN GURUGRANTH SAHIB JI!!!!!

DHAN DHAN DASAM PATSHAH BANI!!!!!

DHAN DHAN PANJ PYAREH! KHANDE-PAHUL AMRIT! AND KHALSA REHIT!!!!!

DHAN DHAN BHAI GURDAS JI BANI!!!!!

DHAN DHAN BHAI NAND LAL SINGH BANI!!!!!

DHAN DHAN BHAI GURDAS SINGH BANI!!!!!

DHAN DHAN GURUS' RAAGS!!!!! DHAN DHAN GURUS' INSTRUMENTS!!!!!

DHAN DHAN SEVA!!!!! DHAN DHAN SIMRAN!!!! DHAN DHAN GURMAT DASWANDH!!!!!

LET US JUST BE THE BEST KHALSA WE CAN INDIVIDUALLY WITH HIGH AIMS (WHAT IS THE AIM? THE ANSWER IS IN GURUGRANTH SAHIB JI!!!! THE ANSWER IS IN THE PALACE OF GURU GOBIND SINGH JI!!!!) AND THEN THE KHALSA CAN COLLECTIVELY GET TOGETHER WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT!! IF/WHEN NEEDED!!!!!

KHALSA WILL RISE!!!!!

AND, ALWAYS STAY IN

CHARDI KALA!!!!!

If there is One Shabad I Feel a Khalsa Should Be, That Word Would be 'ANAND'. Khalsa Should Always Look to Guru Gobind Singh Ji as Example! Mata Sahib Kaur is Most Blessed!!!!! We Should Aim High, and Kill our Anxieties and Stuff...Focusing on Peace that is Blessed to us in GuruGranth Sahib Ji, while Being alert and Bir Ras from Dasam Patshah Bani, to be Tyar bar Tyar, Etc. (We don't Have that Long in Human Body! Lets End 'The Cycle' Now!!)

Those who challenge Truth, Kill their Anand Inside and Hereafter! They should Stop Slandering Dasam Patshah Bani, etc.. If it is not in ones' destiny to understand, even a little bit, they should remain mum. They are Challenging something Greater than What They can Understand. A Sikh is a Disciple! Not a Challenger of the Guru! Being a Disciple They Learn! A Student can Surpass a Teacher! A Sikh (disciple) can NEVER surpass the TRUE GURU!!!!! A Sikh is Not a Student Per-Say! A Sikh is a Disciple of The True Guru!! A Disciple NEVER Challenges THE GURU!!!!! They can Question, but NEVER Challenge!!!!! Attacking, Challenging! Dasam Patshah Bani, Amrit Sanchaar, Panj Pyareh!! Challenging Simran!!! Challenging Naam Jap!!!!! Satnaam!! This is Very Dangerous Territory!! Challenging Sat Dharma!!!?!!! SatNaam!!!!!

If a Person is on a personal Journey, Question Yourself, Find Out for Yourself, Follow what You Feel is Right For You, but CHALLENGING THE KHALSA DHARMA!!?!!! SATNAAM!!!!! THE CREATOR OF THIS DHARMA THEN GETS INVOLVED MORE INTIMATELY!!!!! THIS IS WHERE THE 'SANT KI NINDA...' BEGINS TO TAKE EXPONENTIAL MOMEMTUM!!!!! THE CREATOR IS ALWAYS WITH THE KHALSA!!!!! THAT WAS THE DEAL!!!!!

The Guru and Panj Pyareh are Also the Most Forgiving!!!!!

But Ego is The Most Poweful!!!!! It is Either Be a Disciple of The True Guru and Khalsa with Conviction!!!!! Or be a Student of Your Ego!!

GURU IS SARAB KALA SAMRATH!!!!! Khalsa ALWAYS choose to Live in Sharan (Shelter) of their Beloved Father!!!!! Guru Gobind Singh Ji!!!!! And RehitVaan Panj Pyareh!!!!!

Prove to Others? What Need? Guru Sahib is Guru Sahib! (Guru Sahib does not talk of Mythology. Everything IS Real - Past, Present, Future).

But Regarding This Thread. Guru Sahib is Talking about the REAL SHIV!!! THE REAL POWER. EK ONNGGKAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!! AKAAL PURAKH!!!!! not one of the countless other ones CREATED BY THE CREATOR HIMSELF!!! though they are NAMED AFTER THE REAL SHIV. KHALSA BELONGS TO THE REAL CREATOR SUSTAINER DESTROYER...!!!!! THE GURU IS IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE TRUE CREATOR!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Dasam Patshah Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Panj Pyareh, Khande-Pahul Amrit, and Khalsa Rehit!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Gurdas Ji Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Nand Lal Singh Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Gurdas Singh Bani!!!!!

Chardi Kala!!

[AmarjitKaur]

Veerji, even though I think you are putting good stuff, true knowledge here, but unfortulately I end up skipping some stuff, as its too long.

can you please please summarize little. You tend to repeat same and I don't understand the mixing of so much capitals.

I understand that Sacha Sahib is Sacha Sahib and thats the only TRUE one ever and forever. But for a reader like me, I loose the interest when I see repetition.

Not trying to discourage in anyway. Oppositely, want to encourage to share your knowledge wisdom with your brothers and sisters, but in little summarized way.

Thank you jee.

[BhForce]

As a summary, basically Bloom is saying that just like someone named Akal isn't the real Akal, or someone (today) named Jesus was named after another, the Jesus from 2000 years ago, similarly, it's Shiv and Raam must have been named after some other Shiv or Raam, which we would take to be God.

In the second post, Bloom encouraged us to be open-minded, as there are all sorts of possibilities which lead to Gurbani being true, as opposed to simply mythological poetry. The link was to an article and CNN video about a girl born recently with four arms due to a genetic mutation.

[Guest Bloom]

In My Opinion,

Furthermore,

For People to Understand the Depths of Some of Dasam Patshah Ji Bani, First They have to Understand the Depths of Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji. They Should Perhaps try to Understand The Bani in Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji that are Given the Title 'So Dar'. Nothing in Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji is Mythology! Nothing!! Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji Talks of 100% Truth!!!!! Akaal Purakh is the Creator of EVERYTHING!!!!! Guru Nanak is ONE with AKAAL PURAKH!!!!! Guru Gobind Singh Ji is ONE with AKAAL PURAKH!!!!! SRI GURUGRANTH SAHIB JI IS DIRECTLY FROM AKAAL PURAKH!!!!! DHAN DHAN DASAM PATSHAH BANI!!!!!

The Games of The Creator are INCOMPREHENSIBLE!!!!! Earth is Just a Speck of Dust! But Humans Have Unlimited Potential, Through The TrueGuru!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Dasam Patshah Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Panj Pyareh, Khande-Pahul Amrit, and Khalsa Rehit!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Gurdas Ji Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Nand Lal Singh Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Gurdas Singh Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Gurus' Raags!!!!! Dhan Dhan Gurus' Instruments!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Seva!!!!! Dhan Dhan Simran!!!!!

Chardi Kala!!!!!

[BhForce]

In My Opinion,

Furthermore,

For People to Understand the Depths of Some of Dasam Patshah Ji Bani, First They have to Understand the Depths of Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji. They Should Perhaps try to Understand The Bani in Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji that are Given the Title 'So Dar'.

Thanks for pointing this out about the SoDar pauri. In all of the fuss about the amazing creatures from the Bachittar Natak, we totally forget all of the amazing creations of God from Rehras! I would like to very humbly request any brothers and sisters who are in doubt about Guru Gobind Singh Ji's bani to consider what you think about Guru Nanak Dev Ji's bani below.

God has created all sorts of magnificent worlds and their inhabitants. Woe to us if we slander what we don't understand:

ਸੋ ਦਰੁ ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੧

So Dar ~ That Door. Raag Aasaa, First Mehl:

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਸੋ ਦਰੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਕੇਹਾ ਸੋ ਘਰੁ ਕੇਹਾ ਜਿਤੁ ਬਹਿ ਸਰਬ ਸਮਾਲੇ ॥

Where is That Door of Yours, and where is That Home, in which You sit and take care of all?

ਵਾਜੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਨਾਦ ਅਨੇਕ ਅਸੰਖਾ ਕੇਤੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਵਾਵਣਹਾਰੇ ॥

The Sound-current of the Naad vibrates there for You, and countless musicians play all sorts of instruments there for You.

ਕੇਤੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਰਾਗ ਪਰੀ ਸਿਉ ਕਹੀਅਹਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਗਾਵਣਹਾਰੇ ॥

There are so many Ragas and musical harmonies to You; so many minstrels sing hymns of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਪਵਣੁ ਪਾਣੀ ਬੈਸੰਤਰੁ ਗਾਵੈ ਰਾਜਾ ਧਰਮੁ ਦੁਆਰੇ ॥

Wind, water and fire sing of You. The Righteous Judge of Dharma sings at Your Door.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਚਿਤੁ ਗੁਪਤੁ ਲਿਖਿ ਜਾਣਨਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਧਰਮੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ ॥

Chitr and Gupt, the angels of the conscious and the subconscious who keep the record of actions, and the Righteous Judge of Dharma who reads this record, sing of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਈਸਰੁ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਦੇਵੀ ਸੋਹਨਿ ਤੇਰੇ ਸਦਾ ਸਵਾਰੇ ॥

Shiva, Brahma and the Goddess of Beauty, ever adorned by You, sing of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਇੰਦ੍ਰਾਸਣਿ ਬੈਠੇ ਦੇਵਤਿਆ ਦਰਿ ਨਾਲੇ ॥

Indra, seated on His Throne, sings of You, with the deities at Your Door.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਸਿਧ ਸਮਾਧੀ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਸਾਧ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ ॥

The Siddhas in Samaadhi sing of You; the Saadhus sing of You in contemplation.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਜਤੀ ਸਤੀ ਸੰਤੋਖੀ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਵੀਰ ਕਰਾਰੇ ॥

The celibates, the fanatics, and the peacefully accepting sing of You; the fearless warriors sing of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਪੜਨਿ ਰਖੀਸੁਰ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਵੇਦਾ ਨਾਲੇ ॥

The Pandits, the religious scholars who recite the Vedas, with the supreme sages of all the ages, sing of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਮੋਹਣੀਆ ਮਨੁ ਮੋਹਨਿ ਸੁਰਗੁ ਮਛੁ ਪਇਆਲੇ ॥

The Mohinis, the enchanting heavenly beauties who entice hearts in paradise, in this world, and in the underworld of the subconscious, sing of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਰਤਨ ਉਪਾਏ ਤੇਰੇ ਅਠਸਠਿ ਤੀਰਥ ਨਾਲੇ ॥

The celestial jewels created by You, and the sixty-eight sacred shrines of pilgrimage, sing of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਜੋਧ ਮਹਾਬਲ ਸੂਰਾ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਖਾਣੀ ਚਾਰੇ ॥

The brave and mighty warriors sing of You. The spiritual heroes and the four sources of creation sing of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਖੰਡ ਮੰਡਲ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡਾ ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਰਖੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਧਾਰੇ ॥

The worlds, solar systems and galaxies, created and arranged by Your Hand, sing of You.

ਸੇਈ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਜੋ ਤੁਧੁ ਭਾਵਨਿ ਰਤੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਭਗਤ ਰਸਾਲੇ ॥

They alone sing of You, who are pleasing to Your Will. Your devotees are imbued with Your Sublime Essence.

ਹੋਰਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਸੇ ਮੈ ਚਿਤਿ ਨ ਆਵਨਿ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਕਿਆ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ ॥

So many others sing of You, they do not come to mind. O Nanak, how can I think of them all?

ਸੋਈ ਸੋਈ ਸਦਾ ਸਚੁ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਾਚਾ ਸਾਚੀ ਨਾਈ ॥

That True Lord is True, forever True, and True is His Name.

ਹੈ ਭੀ ਹੋਸੀ ਜਾਇ ਨ ਜਾਸੀ ਰਚਨਾ ਜਿਨਿ ਰਚਾਈ ॥

He is, and shall always be. He shall not depart, even when this Universe which He has created departs.

ਰੰਗੀ ਰੰਗੀ ਭਾਤੀ ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਜਿਨਸੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਜਿਨਿ ਉਪਾਈ ॥

He created the world, with its various colors, species of beings, and the variety of Maya.

ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖੈ ਕੀਤਾ ਆਪਣਾ ਜਿਉ ਤਿਸ ਦੀ ਵਡਿਆਈ ॥

Having created the creation, He watches over it Himself, by His Greatness.

ਜੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੋਈ ਕਰਸੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਕਰਣਾ ਜਾਈ ॥

He does whatever He pleases. No one can issue any order to Him.

ਸੋ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੁ ਸਾਹਾ ਪਤਿਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਰਹਣੁ ਰਜਾਈ ॥੧॥

He is the King, the King of kings, the Supreme Lord and Master of kings. Nanak remains subject to His Will. ||1||

[harsharan000]

On 18/11/2009 at 2:50 AM, BhForce said:

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This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Todee on Pannaa 714

ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਗੁਰ ਕਿਪਾ ਤੇ ਹਾਟਿਓ।।

ni(n)dhak gur kirapaa thae haattiou ||

The slanderer, by Guru's Grace, has been turned away.

ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਭਏ ਦਇਆਲਾ ਸਿਵ ਕੈ ਬਾਣਿ ਸਿਰੁ ਕਾਟਿਓ।।੧।।ਰਹਾਉ।।

paarabreham prabh bheae dhaeiaalaa siv kai baan sir kaattiou ||1|| rehaao ||

The Supreme Lord God has become merciful; with Shiva's arrow, He shot his head off. ||1||Pause||

The question is: Is Guru Arjan Dev ji saying that God took an arrow from the Hindu devta Shiva cut off somebody's head with it?

This is an important question because we constantly hear from detractors of Dasam Bani about the devtas and other stuff they don't like in Bachittar Natak and other rachnas.

 

Bro BhForce Jee,

I have gone through this Shabad of Guru Jee in ANG 714, which is as follows:

ਟੋਡੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

Todee, Fifth Mehl:

ਟੋਡੀ (ਮਃ ੫) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅੰਗ ੭੧੪

ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਤੇ ਹਾਟਿਓ ॥

Nindhak Gur Kirapaa Thae Haattiou ||

The slanderer, by Guru's Grace, has been turned away.

ਟੋਡੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੧੧) ੧:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੭੧੪ ਪੰ. ੪
Raag Todee Guru Arjan Dev

ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਭਏ ਦਇਆਲਾ ਸਿਵ ਕੈ ਬਾਣਿ ਸਿਰੁ ਕਾਟਿਓ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Paarabreham Prabh Bheae Dhaeiaalaa Siv Kai Baan Sir Kaattiou ||1|| Rehaao ||

The Supreme Lord God has become merciful; with Shiva's arrow, He shot his head off. ||1||Pause||

ਟੋਡੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੧੧) ੧:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੭੧੪ ਪੰ. ੪
Raag Todee Guru Arjan Dev

ਕਾਲੁ ਜਾਲੁ ਜਮੁ ਜੋਹਿ ਨ ਸਾਕੈ ਸਚ ਕਾ ਪੰਥਾ ਥਾਟਿਓ ॥

Kaal Jaal Jam Johi N Saakai Sach Kaa Panthhaa Thhaattiou ||

Death, and the noose of death, cannot see me; I have adopted the Path of Truth.

ਟੋਡੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੧੧) ੧:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੭੧੪ ਪੰ. ੫
Raag Todee Guru Arjan Dev

ਖਾਤ ਖਰਚਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਿਖੁਟਤ ਨਾਹੀ ਰਾਮ ਰਤਨੁ ਧਨੁ ਖਾਟਿਓ ॥੧॥

Khaath Kharachath Kishh Nikhuttath Naahee Raam Rathan Dhhan Khaattiou ||1||

I have earned the wealth, the jewel of the Lord's Name; eating and spending, it is never used up. ||1||

ਟੋਡੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੧੧) ੧:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੭੧੪ ਪੰ. ੫
Raag Todee Guru Arjan Dev

ਭਸਮਾ ਭੂਤ ਹੋਆ ਖਿਨ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਅਪਨਾ ਕੀਆ ਪਾਇਆ ॥

Bhasamaa Bhooth Hoaa Khin Bheethar Apanaa Keeaa Paaeiaa ||

In an instant, the slanderer was reduced to ashes; he received the rewards of his own actions.

ਟੋਡੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੧੧) ੨:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੭੧੪ ਪੰ. ੬
Raag Todee Guru Arjan Dev

ਆਗਮ ਨਿਗਮੁ ਕਹੈ ਜਨੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਸਭੁ ਦੇਖੈ ਲੋਕੁ ਸਬਾਇਆ ॥੨॥੬॥੧੧॥

Aagam Nigam Kehai Jan Naanak Sabh Dhaekhai Lok Sabaaeiaa ||2||6||11||

Servant Nanak speaks the truth of the scriptures; the whole world is witness to it. ||2||6||11||

ਟੋਡੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੧੧) ੨:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੭੧੪ ਪੰ. ੬
Raag Todee Guru Arjan Dev

 

And from what I humbly understand from it is, that, the nindak is the mind, which is destroyed and turned to ashes with a slight stroke of Naam.

You see, neither the mind is physical, nor Wahiguru is, for Wahiguru is is even more, it is Alakh, means not visible at all. The devis, devtays, gods, angels, trinities, though invisble to us, have a form to an extent, which is surely not the case with Wahiguru.

Wahiguru is nothing but Shabad, Naam, Dhun, Bani, Sachee Bani, Dhur kee Bani ..... which has nothing but only Shabad, or Naam...

And Naam as such, needs nothing to use, nor the support of any tools nor weapons, to fulfill His hukum. He is self suffiicient.

When He is pleased with some jeev atma, He just manifests itself in that being as Dhun, thus all impurities, vices, vikars, kaal, mahakal, mind, and everything ceases to exist for that wadbhagee jeeva. So, in order for us moorakhs to understand His hukum, the Bani says, that the nindak, the head where the mind resides,the mind, is cut off, like with the Siv baan.

In a similar way, once the mind tastes the Amrit of wahiguru´s Naam, it falls down dead. Then only the jeev soul, is freed from the death, and merges in the Infinte, Eternal Ocean of Truth, namely, Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

Such is His beant wadeeayee.

Sat Sree Akal.

[joker]

As an <banned word filter activated>, i don't think god literally took an arrow from shiva to kill someone.If your audience is from a Hindu background, you will use storylines relevant to them