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In My Opinion,

Furthermore,

For People to Understand the Depths of Some of Dasam Patshah Ji Bani, First They have to Understand the Depths of Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji. They Should Perhaps try to Understand The Bani in Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji that are Given the Title 'So Dar'. Nothing in Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji is Mythology! Nothing!! Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji Talks of 100% Truth!!!!! Akaal Purakh is the Creator of EVERYTHING!!!!! Guru Nanak is ONE with AKAAL PURAKH!!!!! Guru Gobind Singh Ji is ONE with AKAAL PURAKH!!!!! SRI GURUGRANTH SAHIB JI IS DIRECTLY FROM AKAAL PURAKH!!!!! DHAN DHAN DASAM PATSHAH BANI!!!!!

The Games of The Creator are INCOMPREHENSIBLE!!!!! Earth is Just a Speck of Dust! But Humans Have Unlimited Potential, Through The TrueGuru!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Dasam Patshah Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Panj Pyareh, Khande-Pahul Amrit, and Khalsa Rehit!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Gurdas Ji Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Nand Lal Singh Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Gurdas Singh Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Gurus' Raags!!!!! Dhan Dhan Gurus' Instruments!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Seva!!!!! Dhan Dhan Simran!!!!!

Chardi Kala!!!!!

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In My Opinion,

Furthermore,

For People to Understand the Depths of Some of Dasam Patshah Ji Bani, First They have to Understand the Depths of Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji. They Should Perhaps try to Understand The Bani in Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji that are Given the Title 'So Dar'.

Thanks for pointing this out about the SoDar pauri. In all of the fuss about the amazing creatures from the Bachittar Natak, we totally forget all of the amazing creations of God from Rehras! I would like to very humbly request any brothers and sisters who are in doubt about Guru Gobind Singh Ji's bani to consider what you think about Guru Nanak Dev Ji's bani below.

God has created all sorts of magnificent worlds and their inhabitants. Woe to us if we slander what we don't understand:

ਸੋ ਦਰੁ ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੧

So Dar ~ That Door. Raag Aasaa, First Mehl:

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਸੋ ਦਰੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਕੇਹਾ ਸੋ ਘਰੁ ਕੇਹਾ ਜਿਤੁ ਬਹਿ ਸਰਬ ਸਮਾਲੇ ॥

Where is That Door of Yours, and where is That Home, in which You sit and take care of all?

ਵਾਜੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਨਾਦ ਅਨੇਕ ਅਸੰਖਾ ਕੇਤੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਵਾਵਣਹਾਰੇ ॥

The Sound-current of the Naad vibrates there for You, and countless musicians play all sorts of instruments there for You.

ਕੇਤੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਰਾਗ ਪਰੀ ਸਿਉ ਕਹੀਅਹਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਗਾਵਣਹਾਰੇ ॥

There are so many Ragas and musical harmonies to You; so many minstrels sing hymns of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਪਵਣੁ ਪਾਣੀ ਬੈਸੰਤਰੁ ਗਾਵੈ ਰਾਜਾ ਧਰਮੁ ਦੁਆਰੇ ॥

Wind, water and fire sing of You. The Righteous Judge of Dharma sings at Your Door.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਚਿਤੁ ਗੁਪਤੁ ਲਿਖਿ ਜਾਣਨਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਧਰਮੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ ॥

Chitr and Gupt, the angels of the conscious and the subconscious who keep the record of actions, and the Righteous Judge of Dharma who reads this record, sing of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਈਸਰੁ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਦੇਵੀ ਸੋਹਨਿ ਤੇਰੇ ਸਦਾ ਸਵਾਰੇ ॥

Shiva, Brahma and the Goddess of Beauty, ever adorned by You, sing of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਇੰਦ੍ਰਾਸਣਿ ਬੈਠੇ ਦੇਵਤਿਆ ਦਰਿ ਨਾਲੇ ॥

Indra, seated on His Throne, sings of You, with the deities at Your Door.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਸਿਧ ਸਮਾਧੀ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਸਾਧ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ ॥

The Siddhas in Samaadhi sing of You; the Saadhus sing of You in contemplation.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਜਤੀ ਸਤੀ ਸੰਤੋਖੀ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਵੀਰ ਕਰਾਰੇ ॥

The celibates, the fanatics, and the peacefully accepting sing of You; the fearless warriors sing of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਪੜਨਿ ਰਖੀਸੁਰ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਵੇਦਾ ਨਾਲੇ ॥

The Pandits, the religious scholars who recite the Vedas, with the supreme sages of all the ages, sing of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਮੋਹਣੀਆ ਮਨੁ ਮੋਹਨਿ ਸੁਰਗੁ ਮਛੁ ਪਇਆਲੇ ॥

The Mohinis, the enchanting heavenly beauties who entice hearts in paradise, in this world, and in the underworld of the subconscious, sing of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਰਤਨ ਉਪਾਏ ਤੇਰੇ ਅਠਸਠਿ ਤੀਰਥ ਨਾਲੇ ॥

The celestial jewels created by You, and the sixty-eight sacred shrines of pilgrimage, sing of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਜੋਧ ਮਹਾਬਲ ਸੂਰਾ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਖਾਣੀ ਚਾਰੇ ॥

The brave and mighty warriors sing of You. The spiritual heroes and the four sources of creation sing of You.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਖੰਡ ਮੰਡਲ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡਾ ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਰਖੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਧਾਰੇ ॥

The worlds, solar systems and galaxies, created and arranged by Your Hand, sing of You.

ਸੇਈ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਜੋ ਤੁਧੁ ਭਾਵਨਿ ਰਤੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਭਗਤ ਰਸਾਲੇ ॥

They alone sing of You, who are pleasing to Your Will. Your devotees are imbued with Your Sublime Essence.

ਹੋਰਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਸੇ ਮੈ ਚਿਤਿ ਨ ਆਵਨਿ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਕਿਆ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ ॥

So many others sing of You, they do not come to mind. O Nanak, how can I think of them all?

ਸੋਈ ਸੋਈ ਸਦਾ ਸਚੁ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਾਚਾ ਸਾਚੀ ਨਾਈ ॥

That True Lord is True, forever True, and True is His Name.

ਹੈ ਭੀ ਹੋਸੀ ਜਾਇ ਨ ਜਾਸੀ ਰਚਨਾ ਜਿਨਿ ਰਚਾਈ ॥

He is, and shall always be. He shall not depart, even when this Universe which He has created departs.

ਰੰਗੀ ਰੰਗੀ ਭਾਤੀ ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਜਿਨਸੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਜਿਨਿ ਉਪਾਈ ॥

He created the world, with its various colors, species of beings, and the variety of Maya.

ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖੈ ਕੀਤਾ ਆਪਣਾ ਜਿਉ ਤਿਸ ਦੀ ਵਡਿਆਈ ॥

Having created the creation, He watches over it Himself, by His Greatness.

ਜੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੋਈ ਕਰਸੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਕਰਣਾ ਜਾਈ ॥

He does whatever He pleases. No one can issue any order to Him.

ਸੋ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੁ ਸਾਹਾ ਪਤਿਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਰਹਣੁ ਰਜਾਈ ॥੧॥

He is the King, the King of kings, the Supreme Lord and Master of kings. Nanak remains subject to His Will. ||1||

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On 18/11/2009 at 2:50 AM, BhForce said:

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This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Todee on Pannaa 714

ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਗੁਰ ਕਿਪਾ ਤੇ ਹਾਟਿਓ।।

ni(n)dhak gur kirapaa thae haattiou ||

The slanderer, by Guru's Grace, has been turned away.

ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਭਏ ਦਇਆਲਾ ਸਿਵ ਕੈ ਬਾਣਿ ਸਿਰੁ ਕਾਟਿਓ।।੧।।ਰਹਾਉ।।

paarabreham prabh bheae dhaeiaalaa siv kai baan sir kaattiou ||1|| rehaao ||

The Supreme Lord God has become merciful; with Shiva's arrow, He shot his head off. ||1||Pause||

The question is: Is Guru Arjan Dev ji saying that God took an arrow from the Hindu devta Shiva cut off somebody's head with it?

This is an important question because we constantly hear from detractors of Dasam Bani about the devtas and other stuff they don't like in Bachittar Natak and other rachnas.

 

Bro BhForce Jee,

I have gone through this Shabad of Guru Jee in ANG 714, which is as follows:

ਟੋਡੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫

Todee, Fifth Mehl:

ਟੋਡੀ (ਮਃ ੫) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅੰਗ ੭੧੪

ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਤੇ ਹਾਟਿਓ

Nindhak Gur Kirapaa Thae Haattiou ||

The slanderer, by Guru's Grace, has been turned away.

ਟੋਡੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੧੧) ੧:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੭੧੪ ਪੰ. ੪
Raag Todee Guru Arjan Dev

ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਭਏ ਦਇਆਲਾ ਸਿਵ ਕੈ ਬਾਣਿ ਸਿਰੁ ਕਾਟਿਓ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ

Paarabreham Prabh Bheae Dhaeiaalaa Siv Kai Baan Sir Kaattiou ||1|| Rehaao ||

The Supreme Lord God has become merciful; with Shiva's arrow, He shot his head off. ||1||Pause||

ਟੋਡੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੧੧) ੧:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੭੧੪ ਪੰ. ੪
Raag Todee Guru Arjan Dev

ਕਾਲੁ ਜਾਲੁ ਜਮੁ ਜੋਹਿ ਨ ਸਾਕੈ ਸਚ ਕਾ ਪੰਥਾ ਥਾਟਿਓ

Kaal Jaal Jam Johi N Saakai Sach Kaa Panthhaa Thhaattiou ||

Death, and the noose of death, cannot see me; I have adopted the Path of Truth.

ਟੋਡੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੧੧) ੧:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੭੧੪ ਪੰ. ੫
Raag Todee Guru Arjan Dev

ਖਾਤ ਖਰਚਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਿਖੁਟਤ ਨਾਹੀ ਰਾਮ ਰਤਨੁ ਧਨੁ ਖਾਟਿਓ ॥੧॥

Khaath Kharachath Kishh Nikhuttath Naahee Raam Rathan Dhhan Khaattiou ||1||

I have earned the wealth, the jewel of the Lord's Name; eating and spending, it is never used up. ||1||

ਟੋਡੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੧੧) ੧:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੭੧੪ ਪੰ. ੫
Raag Todee Guru Arjan Dev

ਭਸਮਾ ਭੂਤ ਹੋਆ ਖਿਨ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਅਪਨਾ ਕੀਆ ਪਾਇਆ

Bhasamaa Bhooth Hoaa Khin Bheethar Apanaa Keeaa Paaeiaa ||

In an instant, the slanderer was reduced to ashes; he received the rewards of his own actions.

ਟੋਡੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੧੧) ੨:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੭੧੪ ਪੰ. ੬
Raag Todee Guru Arjan Dev

ਆਗਮ ਨਿਗਮੁ ਕਹੈ ਜਨੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਸਭੁ ਦੇਖੈ ਲੋਕੁ ਸਬਾਇਆ ॥੨॥੬॥੧੧॥

Aagam Nigam Kehai Jan Naanak Sabh Dhaekhai Lok Sabaaeiaa ||2||6||11||

Servant Nanak speaks the truth of the scriptures; the whole world is witness to it. ||2||6||11||

ਟੋਡੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੧੧) ੨:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੭੧੪ ਪੰ. ੬
Raag Todee Guru Arjan Dev

 

And from what I humbly understand from it is, that, the nindak is the mind, which is destroyed and turned to ashes with a slight stroke of Naam.

You see, neither the mind is physical, nor Wahiguru is, for Wahiguru is is even more, it is Alakh, means not visible at all. The devis, devtays, gods, angels, trinities, though invisble to us, have a form to an extent, which is surely not the case with Wahiguru.

Wahiguru is nothing but Shabad, Naam, Dhun, Bani, Sachee Bani, Dhur kee Bani ..... which has nothing but only Shabad, or Naam...

And Naam as such, needs nothing to use, nor the support of any tools nor weapons, to fulfill His hukum. He is self suffiicient.

When He is pleased with some jeev atma, He just manifests itself in that being as Dhun, thus all impurities, vices, vikars, kaal, mahakal, mind, and everything ceases to exist for that wadbhagee jeeva. So, in order for us moorakhs to understand His hukum, the Bani says, that the nindak, the head where the mind resides,the mind, is cut off, like with the Siv baan.

In a similar way, once the mind tastes the Amrit of wahiguru´s Naam, it falls down dead. Then only the jeev soul, is freed from the death, and merges in the Infinte, Eternal Ocean of Truth, namely, Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

Such is His beant wadeeayee.

Sat Sree Akal.

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As an <banned word filter activated>, i don't think god literally took an arrow from shiva to kill someone.If your audience is from a Hindu background, you will use storylines relevant to them 

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