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I read a post on here about caste and that our parents want us to marry our own caste due to being in the same profession.

I wanted to know if there is any difference between a Sikh Kamboj from the punjarb (who are know as farmers) and Sikh Jatt from the punjarb (also know as the farmers)???

I know before sikhism was made we were all wither hindu's or muslims (sorry if this is wrong and please correct me)

What cant a Sikh Kamboh and a Sikh Jatt marry one another? and what will the parents says that the difference is to why this can not be/ or can be?

Any sikh kambohs out there please reply with your own veiws.

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Hello? Anybody home? There is NO caste in sikhism. What are you rambling on about?

was that really necessary? is he not a human being who deserves to be spoken to with a little respect? manners cost nothing.

and to the original poster..there is no such thing as caste in sikhism. the older generation unfortunately, still tend to classify themselves as jatt, ramghariya, this that and the other. the only label we should be giving ourselves is khalsa panth. ive never heard of "kambohs" but a) yes, they should be allowed to marry "jatts" and b) such labels shouldnt even exist. i feel like im swearing whenever i have to say jatt/ramghariya etc.

please feel free to ask questions! we all have them, none of us are antarjami lol

humri jaath paath gurr satgur! waheguroo.

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Waheguroo Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguroo Ji Ki Fateh!

Bruv, you should marry anyone you wish to, regardless of caste :) Caste is just a Hindu culture which is practised by most punjabis today. "Know people by the light illuminating them and do not ask their caste; for in the hereafter no one is differentiated by caste."

Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj

Waheguroo Kirpa Kare! And Starscream, quit being so hard on him, obviously he isn't educated much about Sikhi no need to put the guy off completly.

Waheguroo Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguroo Ji Ki Fateh!

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These guys can say Sikhism has no cast and can talk all day long about it

The fact is there is the cast system in the minds of your parents so your doing to have to find a way to deal with it......... Get a elder on your side "grandfather"

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Everyone must have heard "Love is blind".

So when in love; caste, class, religion etc aspects don't really matter.

Same thing applies to "Kaam".

ਛਿਵੈ ਕਾਮੁ ਨ ਪੁਛੈ ਜਾਤਿ ॥

छिवै कामु न पुछै जाति ॥

Cẖẖivai kām na pucẖẖai jāṯ.

sixth, in his sexual desire, he does not respect social customs.

Source: http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=0&Param=137

Long time back i heard a Katha by Sant Singh ji Maskeen where he mentioned why the system of "Swayamvar" i.e (girl finding her own husband) FAILED. The practice was discontinued as things started to get ugly after marriage due to incompatibility.

So going for an Arranged Marriage is still the best option in the long run.

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Thank you all for you comments and I know everyone has their own view on caste/sikhism.

I know we shouldnt follow caste however there is caste within sikhism if we like it or not and I know the only way to banish this is for the younger generation to marry out of caste and teach their childeren that they are sikh and sikh only.

As there is caste in todays world, how do you go about convincing the older generation to allow people to marry whoever you want?

all of you who use your family surname follow caste, those who use singh and Kaur dont.fact.

I use singh and I will always use singh.

My parents says I can only marry my own caste and I dont want to a I want to marry whoever I want, but dont want to hurt my parents at the same time. A bit confused!

Thanks again guys for your views on this.

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all of you who use your family surname follow caste, those who use singh and Kaur dont.fact.
Not always.
My parents says I can only marry my own caste and I dont want to a I want to marry whoever I want, but dont want to hurt my parents at the same time. A bit confused!
Fair enough. If your parents don't agree, I'm sure you can find someone from the "same caste" who will be a suitable match for you (and your parents).

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Thank you all for you comments and I know everyone has their own view on caste/sikhism.

I know we shouldnt follow caste however there is caste within sikhism if we like it or not and I know the only way to banish this is for the younger generation to marry out of caste and teach their childeren that they are sikh and sikh only.

As there is caste in todays world, how do you go about convincing the older generation to allow people to marry whoever you want?

all of you who use your family surname follow caste, those who use singh and Kaur dont.fact.

I use singh and I will always use singh.

My parents says I can only marry my own caste and I dont want to a I want to marry whoever I want, but dont want to hurt my parents at the same time. A bit confused!

Thanks again guys for your views on this.

FALSE!

There are many gursikhs that use their last name but do not follow caste (ie.married out of caste). If you are proud of your caste and/or put others down for their caste, only then you are following jaaht/paaht. Having a surname is no biggy!

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Thank you all for you comments and I know everyone has their own view on caste/sikhism.

I know we shouldnt follow caste however there is caste within sikhism if we like it or not and I know the only way to banish this is for the younger generation to marry out of caste and teach their childeren that they are sikh and sikh only.

As there is caste in todays world, how do you go about convincing the older generation to allow people to marry whoever you want?

all of you who use your family surname follow caste, those who use singh and Kaur dont.fact.

I use singh and I will always use singh.

My parents says I can only marry my own caste and I dont want to a I want to marry whoever I want, but dont want to hurt my parents at the same time. A bit confused!

Thanks again guys for your views on this.

it will most probably hurt your parents ego, which is a big reason caste is shunned in sikhi in the first place.

at the end of the day, when you dont conform to societys superficial rules u are bound to have a few run ins, thats where your ardaas to akal purakh to keep you head strong and your faith keep you standing.. so if you really do have faith in guru jis hukam then nothing will bother you..

you can do forum searches and find quotes from guru granth sahib ji / guru gobind singh jis hukam regarding this issue and present them to ur parents..some still dont understand but in the end u wont be the first one to not go along with punjabi mentality in terms of the caste issue.

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my dad is a jatt and mom is kamboj and u know dey are in same class both are farmer except kamboj's were migrated from Iran half to pakistan and half to india u can differentiate them from kamboj with the j are from india and kamboh with the h are from pakistan......d reason why i researched from books and some elders is purely same reason as yours except i have no strict regulations in my family but i just was interested to know their backgrounds....i know this is bit late lol but i thought might just post this

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jatt akal da ghat tongue.gif

You gotta love the posters on this site. A Kamboj starts a thread about caste and, as usual, someone here sees and grabs yet another opportunity to blame the jatts !! :stupidme:

Anything else you'd like to blame jatts for ?

The great fire of Chicago perhaps ? or the fall in crude oil prices ?

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You gotta love the posters on this site. A Kamboj starts a thread about caste and, as usual, someone here sees and grabs yet another opportunity to blame the jatts !! :stupidme:

Anything else you'd like to blame jatts for ?

The great fire of Chicago perhaps ? or the fall in crude oil prices ?

WJKK WJKF

I'm sure where ever anyone is critical about your jatt caste, you will be sure to have all your pro jatt spiel at the ready for the promotion of your jatt Sikhi caste, if there ever was such a thing!

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