Video: Purpose And Content Of 'krishnavtaar'

[Panthic Updates]

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[Inder Singh]

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A great and timely video. Well done lamba ji. You are doing an excellent work to expose the enemies of Guru gobind singh sahib who are traitors among sikhs.

It is gathered that heretics of kala afghana, missioanry and Darshan Ragi gang led by notorious foulmouthed Gurcharan jeonwala had come to Gurudwara in Rouchester, New york on Sept. 16, 2009. Earlier darshan ragi had been to that place twice to spread his balsphemy.

This was second visit of Gurcharan jeonwala also.

Sangat of this gurdwara had found loopholes in the blasphemy of these people. They were ready to confront this Gurnindak this time.

He was carrying a Hindu Granth also to mislead ignorants that Dasam granth is a copy of this hindu granth.

The following is a brief detail of what questions and answer seesion took place there.

1) Sangat asked jeonwala that three banis of Nitnem are from dasam granth sahib. Does he accord recognition to those as Sikh rehat maryada recognises that. He tried to fool around by saying that SGGS ji is complete and then why we need banis from Dasam granth. he was asked not to beat about the bush and reply in yes or no as Sikh rehat maryada recognises that. he said that he does not recognise these three banis. Sangat asked then why does he come here? We do not recognise you as a sikh.

2) AS jeonwala said that Dasam granth is a copy of Hindu granth and he was showing this to sangat. President asked him to show where is Benti Chaupoai sahib in that Hindu Granth. He could not reply to that and then he started floundering.

3) Then he was asked to show ardas in this Hindu Granth. he failed to answer to that also.

4) He was told that charitropakhayn is written in third person style in which a minister tells stories to his king. Then why he is attaching charitras 21,22 and 23 to a real happening in Guru gobind singh's life. He replied that there is name of anandpur in that charitra. he was told likewise they could show him 50 other towns having the name Anandpur. he had no answewr to this. This exposed his lack of understanding the charitropakhyan in totality.

3) He was asked if he was asked by akal takhat to recognise nitnem banis from Dasam granth, will he abide by that. he said he would not. Sangat asked then why he was wasting their time by coming to Gurudwara time and again. He should spare them of this blasphemy.

This is what happens when sangat is briefed about the motives of these thugs who are enemies of kahlas panth.

[TejiKaur]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

they came here too and there was an argument

these ppl know nothing of Gurbani

they came to Richmond Hill New York

out of 17 men (all baysharam enuff to argue with ONE 19 yr old girl)

none knew Jaap Sahib nor could say it when asked

ud think reasearch would be needed for a claim like this

Pappi Singh has even started questioning Guru Teg Bhadurs Bani

othe tak paunchgya

they told me to get my dad

they looked like idiots

they told me to get my dad

they looked like idiots

sorry by that i meant to belittle me they said clal ur dad and im old enuff to b pappi singhs granddaughter

they said such vile things and could not come with one tukh

these r gov de banday paka

[Guest Bloom]

Wah Guru Gobind Singh!

[guptveer1469]

Why not finish this thing for once and all? One live debate and shut up the anti-Panthic people for once and all?

Live debate with 10 pro Dasam Granth and 10 anti Dasam Granth people discussing... So this controversy is finished for once and all?

What does Sangat think?

WJKK WJKF JIO

[Inder Singh]

Why not finish this thing for once and all? One live debate and shut up the anti-Panthic people for once and all?

Live debate with 10 pro Dasam Granth and 10 anti Dasam Granth people discussing... So this controversy is finished for once and all?

What does Sangat think?

WJKK WJKF JIO

You can have debate with those who have genuine misunderstanding and those can be solved by a genuine dialogue. But here you have a group of thugs who are disowning 300 years of traditions of sikhism by slandering bani of tenth master.You have Ragi darshan who was doing kirtan of this bani all his life and at the <banned word filter activated> end of his life he is slandering the same bani. Did he contact akal takhat who has control on this. akal takhat has alreday issued hukmanama terming these people as miscreants. This shows that these people are thugs who have no respect for sikhism, bani of our Gurus and our traditions. Only way to deal with such anti panthic elements to confront them aggressively and not to be taken in by their propaganda.

Stil if you want these thugs to be enagged in debate, contact them and let us know. If they are willing to get into debate we will arrange this. They were invited for debate at Bhatinda last year but they failed to turn up.

[Singhing2]

You can have debate with those who have genuine misunderstanding and those can be solved by a genuine dialogue. But here you have a group of thugs who are disowning 300 years of traditions of sikhism by slandering bani of tenth master.You have Ragi darshan who was doing kirtan of this bani all his life and at the <banned word filter activated> end of his life he is slandering the same bani. Did he contact akal takhat who has control on this. akal takhat has alreday issued hukmanama terming these people as miscreants. This shows that these people are thugs who have no respect for sikhism, bani of our Gurus and our traditions. Only way to deal with such anti panthic elements to confront them aggressively and not to be taken in by their propaganda.

Stil if you want these thugs to be enagged in debate, contact them and let us know. If they are willing to get into debate we will arrange this. They were invited for debate at Bhatinda last year but they failed to turn up.

we seem to misunderstand the whole panth, just need to back up our information correctly. I see where your coming from about the miscreants. Overall these people do seem to keep on judging based on falsehood.

[Lion of Punjab]

ok back on topic

my punjabi is not the best but could someone sumerize what was said about krishan avatar.

I have listened twice but did not get that stuff about krishan fighting along side some moguls

[Lion of Punjab]

bump

[Inder Singh]

ok back on topic

my punjabi is not the best but could someone sumerize what was said about krishan avatar.

I have listened twice but did not get that stuff about krishan fighting along side some moguls

In Krishan avtar there is a section Yudh parbandh( war management) written by Guru sahib.

In that Guru ji introduces a character Kharag singh who is a warrior of great valour. He fights

against Krishna as krishna had done injustice to his friend. He fights for a righteous cause.

All demi Gods , demons and Muslims fight on the side of Krishna. There were no muslims

during Krishna time. So Guru ji is giving a pictrue of the future where Hindu hill rajas will take

help of Moghals to fight against Khalsa.