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Singhstah    282

I just noticed that sikhlionz.com has done the wonderful seva of typing up certain parts of bhai rama singh ji's book, "In Search of the True Guru/Roop Gobind Ka Raj Khalse Da Sikha Sone Ka. Read the bits online but I also suggest buying the full copy, its great.

My favourite section of the book was the section of bhai sahib's vision of khalsa raj,I thought I would paste it here from sikhlionz as an answer to all the khalsa raj questions, i know that people will doubt, but anyone who has met Bhai Sahib Bhai Rama Singh Ji will tell you he was a pooran brahmgyani who had had pertakh darshan of Guroo Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj, given the mission of amrit parchar (as written in the book) and was of the highest spiritual state.

My Beautiful Dream - Khalsa Raj

After five or six months of doing simran with the Sangat at the Gurdwara, in a dream one day, I reached Sri Harmandar Sahib. Sri Harmandar Sahib was decorated with white, red, blue, green and orange diamonds. I wanted to continue seeing it. I cannot describe the splendour of the scene before me. The building was studded with such shining stones, that their light was many times more than ordinary electric bulbs.Yet it was not glaring but soothing. They were not hot like bulbs. At that time there was a slight drizzle and I thought that my clothes were wet; but when I touched them they were dry. I bowed before Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, did matha tekan and sat down.The raagi Singhs were doing kirtan of this Shabad:

“The Supreme Lord God, through the Divine Guru, has Himself protected and preserved His children. Celestial peace, tranquillity and bliss have come to pass; my service has been perfect. || 1 || Pause || God Himself has heard the prayers of His humble devotees. He dispelled my disease, and rejuvenated me; His glorious radiance is so great! || 1 || He has forgiven me for my sins, and interceded with His power. I have been blessed with the fruits of my mind's desires; Nanak is a sacrifice to Him. || 2 ||” (SGGS p. 819)

I became so immersed in kirtan that my only desire was to keep listening. On completion of the Shabad, I realised that I had come to see Khalsa Raj. I got up and went to see Sri Akal Takhat Sahib. Akal Takhat is such an Immortal Throne of Spiritual and Worldly Sovereignty, that there Truth reigns and truth is the final outcome.

“There, only the Truth is judged true; the sinners are picked out and separated.” (SGGS p. 463)

“True in the Primal beginning, True throughout the ages. True here and now. O Nanak, forever and ever True.” (SGGS p. 1)

The Panj Piaray were doing simran at Sri Akal Takhat Sahib. I announced Gur Fateh “Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.” When they replied, it seemed to me that the resonance of the Gur Fateh was coming from the whole of Des Panjab. After darshan of the Panj Piaray, I was in a state of bliss. I felt as if I was doing darshan of my Guru, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji through the Panj Piaray.

“Khalsa is in my image.

In Khalsa do I reside.”

(Sarab Loh Granth)

I can never forget this scene all my life. They said, “Have you come to see Khalsa Raj?” I confirmed asking them to help me. Then I had a conversation with them.They sent a Khalsa Singh with me. First of all he took me into an underground tunnellike cavity. As I stepped in, a melodious chant of “Waheguru” started and I was so emotionally struck that my eyes flooded with tears. I could not contain myself. These were tears of bliss and happiness. I did not have the courage to step further. From where I was standing, I bowed to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and sat down.The throne of Guru Ji was decorated many times more resplendently than the most majestic Thrones of the ancient Maharajas. The gold Palaki (structure on which Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is placed) was studded with many varieties of diamonds and rubies; the glitter of which had a charming effect on the mind. The overhead Chanani too was covered with star shapes and pearls. I was left completely amazed.

The Gursikhs sitting in this massive underground place were doing simran of Waheguru to the accompaniment of a large variety of natural musical sounds. There was divine bliss in these sounds and I became completely absorbed in them.

“The Sound-current of the Naad (octave) vibrates there, and countless musicians play on all sorts of instruments there. So many raags (musical “moods” of the Indian musical system), so many musicians singing there.” (SGGS p. 6)

I was not conscious of myself and my concentration was totally in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Darshan of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji made me feel that Waheguru Ji, Akal Purakh (the Timeless Being), was present right in front of me. From the Prakaash of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, rays of soothing light were radiating on the Gursikhs.

“Light radiates from the place where sits the Holy Congregation (Saadh Sangat)” (Bhai Gurdas Ji)

In the radiance, I saw the image of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Guru Ji spoke, “My blessing will be on any Gursikh who does Waheguru simran.” Hearing this, I saw before my eyes a war scene in which Mata Sahib Kaur Ji asked, “I can see all Singhs but not the Sahibzaday (Princes of Guru Ji).” Guru Ji waved towards the Khalsa and said, “Why lament the death of the Four, thousands are alive. Due to the sacrifice of the Four Sahibzaday, thousands of Gursikhs who do simran have been born.” Guru Ji prayed to Akal Purakh, “I promised that thousands of Singh’s will do simran, but today, with Your Blessing, hundreds of thousands are doing simran.” The Khalsa Ji who was with me said, “Singh Ji! Be alert!” After the completion of simran, most Singhs got up and left, but about 15 to 20 remained deep in simran. I asked Khalsa Ji, “All others have gone, why are these still in meditation?” Khalsa Ji replied, “They have gone to see the fantastic sights of Sach Khand. They have left their physical bodies and their ethereal bodies have flown through dasam duar (tenth gate) to Sach Khand. Some, for two days, some for four and others for a longer time. They go for darshan of Akal Purakh (the Timeless Being i.e. God) and return. To see Sach Khand it is necessary to do continuous simran.” Khalsa Ji told me that at 2.30 in the morning, five Singhs do the Prakaash of Guru Ji in the underground chamber. The Prakaash is located at the same place at the beginning of the tunnel at Sri Amritsar Sahib. The early morning (Amrit vela) Mukh- Vaak - Main Order - is heard by all Sangat on speakers. All the Sangat heed and act according to this Vaak. Three o’ clock swas-swas simran starts. From 4.00 to 5.00 a.m. Waheguru simran is done with musical instruments. After the completion of simran, the Sangat goes to the Gurdwara to do Nit Nem followed by langar and return to their homes.

After this, Khalsa Ji took me to the Gurdwara. I was amazed to see such a beautiful Gurdwara. It was built of stone more beautiful than marble. I went inside and performed matha tekan. The Palaki (on which Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is placed) was decorated with many coloured glass. The overhead Chanani cloth was decorated with star shapes, rubies and pearls. Two Anand Karaj ceremonies were taking place in the Gurdwara. The only difference was that one Panjabi Singh was being married to a white Singhani, while a white Singh was being married to a Panjabi Singhani. There was a lot of Sangat here from the two villages of the brides and the grooms to bless the marriages. They all seemed to have great regard for each other. The Panj Piaray from both villages were also present. Gurbani Kirtan was going on and it was so sweet that one did not feel like leaving. The ceremony was simple and in complete accord with Gurmatt. There was no question of any dowry being given. I asked Khalsa Ji, “What is the meaning of these mixed marriages?” Khalsa Ji said, “In order to eradicate any colour distinctions, such marriages are taking place. Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji is all knowing. Guru Ji is creating such a Khalsa who remain staunch in their belief. The people of Panjab do not have total faith in the Guru. White Singhs will remain faithful and will not turn their backs on the Guru. They will be fit to run the Khalsa Raj because in them there is no discrimination between high and low. They will practise the Words of Guru Ji. “It is noticed, that after taking Amrit, the White Singhs keep their rehat. In this way in one or two generations the complexion of the Khalsa would be the same. Differences and the caste system would be eradicated.”

After the Anand Karaj the Sangat went to langar shakan (eating food in the Langar). The langar had been made in iron utensils and was very tasty. I asked, “How is the langar (food in the Langar) prepared for so many Sangat?” Khalsa Ji told me, “Food items for the Langar are prepared in the food factory and sent to the Gurdwara. In this way peeling potatoes, cutting vegetables, grounding flour (atta), preparing yogurt etc., all this is done quite quickly. Recipes for everything are ready regarding ingredients like salt, pepper and masala etc. and all food is prepared by machines, and washing etc. is all done by machines. There are special machines for making prasaaday (rotis) as well. And so langar is prepared quickly for hundreds of thousands of Sangat.” I was able to see some of the food preparations and was amazed at the efficiency and the automation used.

After eating langar, people from the two villages were seen strolling in a park and the atmosphere and social niceties were like a happy fare. All seemed healthy and happy and very friendly towards each other. Khalsa Ji told me, “The tunnel extends from Sri Amritsar to Delhi and there are settlements (villages or townships) on both sides. About a hundred thousand people live in each settlement. The affairs of each settlement are run by Panj Piaray. Each settlement has a Gurdwara and a food factory. The langar of all is cooked in the Gurdwara. All eat at the Gurdwara and a deduction is made from each person’s pay. Everyone must work for at least four hours. Ladies also work for four hours. There are parks on both sides of the tunnel. There are beautiful special parks for children, There are many grounds for playing sports.” I noticed green grass lawns, as if green carpets had been laid out. There was nice smelling perfume coming from the flowers and it smelt like non other on this earth. There were many varieties of flowers.

Then Khalsa Ji took me to see a hospital. It was beautifully designed and very clean. It was many storeys high. There were large beds in the rooms but they were empty. There were machines for doing all sorts of checking of illnesses. I was surprised and remarked, “But there are no patients here.” Khalsa Ji said, “The medicine for all illnesses is Naam (Sukhmani Sahib)” “All the Khalsa here, get up in the morning and do Naam simran. For this reason they do not fall ill. Due to the power of simran they are not worried about anything. The average life of a Khalsa is 150 years and after that they achieve salvation.”

I was then taken to a shopping centre, There were many large shops but no one appeared to be running them. I asked about this. Khalsa Ji took me to the gate. He said, “All things in the shops are uniformly priced. You make the payment in advance for all the things you wish to buy and the payment is put into a machine. The gate opens. The weight of the person entering is automatically measured. There are other machines inside and you can buy further items etc. The control is through weight measurement of in-coming people, and outgoing people with their goods. The machines can detect dishonesty, the fines for which are heavy (ten times the value of the goods stolen).”

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Cow Centre

“You save the beasts, demons and fools, and even stones are carried across. Slave

Nanak seeks Your Sanctuary; he is forever and ever a sacrifice to You.” (SGGS p. 802)

Khalsa Ji took me to an animal farm and told me that arrangements had been made for the salvation of animals. He said, “The simran in the morning can be heard by them through speakers. There is no shortage of milk and butter. The cows are brought in from other countries. A special place has been made for the cows, and there are employees who look after them. There is a special tunnel through which the cows can come and go. There are automatic fountains for the cows. As the cows step in, these fountains switch on; a little further, a current of warm air dries them. Much attention is given to cleanliness. There is a special train for the cows to be taken out to the countryside for grazing. They are brought back by train in the evening. They wash as in the morning and are given their fodder. They remain happy and give a lot of milk.”

I reflected that in India today thousands are starving, but in Khalsa Raj, even the animals will be well looked after and will not go hungry.

O’ human being! If animals can get human life by listening to Naam, why do you not recite Naam and achieve salvation.

Having shown all this, Khalsa Ji took me in a special vehicle to show me the motorway. It was very wide. Both sides were lined by colourful roses. For example, for one mile white flowers, then for the next mile red flowers and so on. They made the air fragrant. There were stones in the middle of the motorway painted in the same colour as the flowers. There was no need for any lighting as the stones radiated light. After every 25 to 30 miles there were beautiful stopping places for eating food which was free. Khalsa Ji said that there were free travel passes for the elderly people.

Khalsa Ji said, “There will be one rule in Khalsa Raj. When a child is born it will get child allowance. But this allowance will not be retained by the parents but by the Khalsa. When children grow up, then the expenses of marriage, house and car will be given by the Khalsa. Any shortfall will be made up by the Khalsa. Before they commence work, they will be given six months holidays for travelling abroad. Their holiday travel expenses will be paid by the Khalsa (administration). On return they will take up the jobs allocated to them by the Khalsa. Free flying lessons will be given to Gursikh children.”

I asked, “How would the shortage of electricity and water be resolved?”. Khalsa Ji, “When the Khalsa Raj spreads to the whole of India, then Khalsa will make arrangements for water and electricity. For example, floods come in Bangladesh and water cannot be controlled, and there is great loss of life and property. To overcome this, Khalsa will construct a dam and supply water to the whole of India. In this way, this area will be saved from floods and the shortage of water and electricity will be overcome.”

I asked, “How would 960 million people be initiated into the Order of the Khalsa?” Khalsa Ji, “When Guru Nanak Dev Ji’s spiritual Light merged with the Universal Light, the Hindus claimed he was their Guru and wanted to cremate his body; and the Muslims claimed him to be their Pir (religious leader) and wanted to bury his body. When the sheet covering Guru Ji’s body was lifted, only a heap of flowers were found underneath. The Hindus and the Muslims divided the sheet in two and took one half each.

“I dye myself in the colour of the Lord, and sew what has to be sewn. Without the

Lord's Name, I cannot live, even for a moment.” (SGGS p. 485)

“Science has proven that the Gurbani uttered by Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji five hundred years ago, has spread in the global atmosphere. Wherever there are Gurdwaras, Bani is being read. Through the resonance of that, the world is continually being saved; otherwise by now, the nature of Kalyug (which is fire) would have burnt and destroyed everyone. As Guru Nanak Dev Ji says in Asa di Vaar:

“In the Age of Sat Yug, contentment was the chariot and righteousness the charioteer.

In the Age of Treta Yug, celibacy was the chariot and power the charioteer. In the Age

of Duapar Yug, penance was the chariot and truth the charioteer. In the Age of Kalyug,

fire is the chariot and falsehood the charioteer.” (SGGS p. 470 )

“Meaning that the nature of the Age of Kalyug, being the vehicle of fire, is hot and the Name of Waheguru is cool and soothing for the soul. For this reason, contentment is achieved through Naam simran.

“The chant of Naam which resounds through the “tunnel” (Amritsar to Delhi) will have its spiritual effect. Through the power of Naam Bani (utterance of Naam) all those who hear will start Naam simran. All will join the Khalsa Panth when they realise that the Sikh faith is the faith of truth. In this way the two halves of Guru Nanak’s “covering sheet”will be sewn together again.

“The Baba (Guru Nanak Dev Ji) is venerated in every home, the difference between the Hindu and the Muslim has been lost (forgotten)” (Bhai Gurdas: Vaar 1.34)

“The map of India will change in Khalsa raj. This is the land of the Akal Purakh. Those who love God will take birth. The unbelievers, through their own sins will be destroyed. The new generation will understand truth. “In large cities of foreign countries, like New York, London, Khalsa centers will be built. All those in need will be helped there. They

will be looked after and supplied with food and clothes, free of charge. “Khalsa would educate girls not to commit the sin of undergoing abortions. These are the girls who are not in a position to bring up children for economic or other reasons. Instead, Khalsa will look after unwanted children until they are mature. In this way, mothers and children would be attracted to Sikhi. They would develop deep links with the Sikh nation. Some of them would adopt Sikhi and marry into Sikh families in Panjab. “And so Sikhi will spread to a Khalsa population of 960 million.”

I asked, “When negotiating or holding talks with other countries, who would lead?”

Khalsa Ji, “Panj Piaray from Akal Takhat will take the lead in any talks.” I asked, “Would the same Panj Piaray continue to hold that position?”Khalsa Ji, “Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji was all-knowing. Guru Ji will so guide people’s behaviour, that no one would have any self-centred ambition to hold high positions. Whoever wishes to be included will be considered. First, the Panj Piaray at village level would be selected. The names of those wishing to do the sewa will be put on pieces of paper and five names will be selected by drawing lots. The village Panj Piaray would select the Panj Piaray of Akal Takhat in the same way. All villages will be run by the selected Panj Piarays. Selection process would be repeated after five years.

“After Punjab, Khalsa will also start preaching Sikhi in other parts of India. Khalsa will help the poor. Houses will be built for those without shelter. No beggars will be seen in India in the Khalsa Raj. They will be given priority. Their needs will be satisfied. Hospitals will be built for free treatment. In Khalsa Raj no pressure will be put on anyone to adopt Sikhi. No religion will be regarded as inferior. With Guru’s blessing, some will themselves start reading and reciting Gurbani. The Khalsa method of preaching will be the proper method. Khalsa will preach in such a way that many would be attracted to Sikhi. There will be large camps with audio visual displays about the Sikh martyrdom tradition. The preaching will explain the power of simran which gave the ancient Singhs the will to undergo torture and to bear the pain in order to uphold truth and justice. At these camps, representatives of other religions will also be invited to give their views. They will give information about their own religions and exchange views. However, while discussing and exchanging views they would themselves realise that Sikhi is the path of truth.

“First, Allah created the Light; then, by His Creative Power, He made all mortal beings.

From the One Light, the entire universe welled up. So who is good, and who is bad?” (SGGS p. 1349)

These people of other faiths will accept Sikhi and the Sikh faith will spread.” Khalsa Ji said, “As one has to apply for a visa to visit another country, so people would have to apply for a visa to visit Punjab. Only a religious person would be allowed to enter Punjab (Sach Khand on earth). Only those who read Bani would be allowed to enter. No one who drinks alcohol or smokes will be allowed to enter Panjab. They would be able to go to other parts of India but not to Panjab. Anyone wishing to enter Panjab, would be asked by the Khalsa embassy, “Can you speak Panjabi and read Bani?” Only one who has faith in the Guru would be able to go to Panjab. Panjab will become a part of Sach Khand on earth.”

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The Punisher of Evil-doers: Guru Gobind Singh Ji

I asked, “Khalsa Ji, I would ask one more question. India was such a great power, how did Khalsa achieve victory?”

Khalsa Ji, “Tyrannical arrogance is not acceptable to Har Ji (God)

“Acting in egotism, peace is not obtained. The intellect of the mind is false; only the Lord is True. All who love duality are ruined. People act as they are pre-ordained. || 1 || I have seen the world to be such a gambler; all beg for peace, but they forget the Naam, the Name of the Lord. || 1 || (SGGS p. 222)

“Everyone knows that there was a war between Ram Ji and Rawan. Rawan was arrogant that there was no warrior greater than him. That he had so many sons. “Ram passed away, as did Raawan, even though he had a very large family. Says Nanak, nothing lasts forever; the world is like a dream[4].” (SGGS p. 1429)

“A fortress like that of Sri Lanka, with the ocean as a moat around it — there is no news about that house of Raavan. || 1 || What shall I ask for? Nothing is permanent. I see with my eyes that the world is passing away. || 1 || Pause || Thousands of sons and thousands of grandsons — but in that house of Raavan, the lamps and wicks have gone out. || 2 ||” (SGGS p. 481)

“He was proud that his city of Lanka was made of gold. He was also proud that he had been blessed with immortality. He thought that Ram Chandar Ji did not have any army, and that it would be easy to kill him. There were only three of them: Ram Chandar, Lashman and Hanuman. To crush Rawan’s pride, Ram Chandar used divine power.”

“Secondly, Daryodhan was very proud that he had on his side the great warriors and war equipment, and that the Pandav’s had nothing. That he was bound to win. Daryodhan did not understand that Bhagwan Krishan did not like his arrogance. To humble him, Krishan supported the Pandavs. Daryodhan was killed with his army and the Pandavs were victorious.”

“Thirdly, India too was proud that they had much power with a large army and war equipment. They too, in their arrogance, did not hesitate from attacking Harmandar Sahib. As Ram Ji and Krishan used divine powers, in the same way Guru Ji granted divine power to the Panj Piaray to uproot evil.”

“As Guru Gobind Singh Ji granted divine power to Banda Singh Bahadur and instructed him to avenge the death of the younger Sahibzaday; and, that no one would withstand him. Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s words are:-

“I shall give a single Khalsa the strength and courage to fight sawa lakh (i.e. one hundred and twenty five thousand: symbolic of unlimited courage). Only then shall I be called Gobind Singh.”

“Banda Singh Bahadur did avenge the martyrdom of the younger Sahibzaday. Guru Ji gave one Banda Singh Bahadur so much power that no one could stop him. The Muslims ruled the whole of India at the time. Guru Ji gave the Panj Piaray His own divine power.

Guru Ji said:-

“No-one offers anyone sovereignty (on a plate!)

Anyone who gets it, grabs it through own prowess.”

“As Ram Ji and Krishan Bhagwan crushed the pride of Rawan and Daryodhan, so Akal Purakh destroyed the pride of these people and established Khalsa Raj.”

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i read this book for first time at age 10-11

i loved it back then

and so do i now!

AMAZING!

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THE WARRIOR    9

I would like to ask if akjs view this as a gospel reality? Is this how it will be “Khalsa Raj”?

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Singhstah    282

does your life revolve around turrning sikhi into a bunch of cliques, with a constant struggle to prove yours as the best?

In regards to the question you either a)need new glasses b)are just stupid, or c) are just sad.

get a life!

To all those agenda free- please see a few articles to learn abit more about bhai sahib.

http://www.akj.org/forums/viewtopic.php?=&p=2390

http://www.panthic.org/news/130/ARTICLE/1821/2005-09-25.html

bhairamasingh1.jpg

bhai sahib bhai jeevan singh ji and bhai sahib bhai rama singh ji

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THE WARRIOR    9
does your life revolve around turrning sikhi into a bunch of cliques, with a constant struggle to prove yours as the best?

In regards to the question you either a)need new glasses b)are just stupid, or c) are just sad.

get a life!

To all those agenda free- please see a few articles to learn abit more about bhai sahib.

http://www.akj.org/forums/viewtopic.php?=&p=2390

http://www.panthic.org/news/130/ARTICLE/1821/2005-09-25.html

bhairamasingh1.jpg

bhai sahib bhai jeevan singh ji and bhai sahib bhai rama singh ji

nice pic

“does your life revolve around turrning sikhi into a bunch of cliques, with a constant struggle to prove yours as the best?”

Ironically plagued with behavioural fatigue that you accuse others of.

Why don’t you just answer the question Bhai sahib? or any other akj for that matter?

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Singhstah    282

well in my first post I did say that pretty much anyone who believes that bhai rama singh ji was a mahapurakh and was not a liar would believe this. Seeing as Bhai Sahib was jathedar of akj uk at one point, its not like anyone affiliated with akj wouldnt... But the whole point is this isnt anything to do with jathebandia, akj and non-akj people alike believe this. Bhai Sahib released this book for the whole sangat, the point of it was to spread sikhi to non-religious people. There is no need to talk about jathe in this issue, KHALSA raj is for the KHALSA panth.

The whole message from bhai sahib was that every sikh should wake up at amrit vela and jap naam, if anyone visited his amrit vela sessions, that continue to this day, they would see the diversity of the sangat and how many people not likely to be at the gurdvara it has brought in. It was as a result of doing simran at these programmes that bhai sahib actually got to the avastha where he saw this.

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THE WARRIOR    9
well in my first post I did say that pretty much anyone who believes that bhai rama singh ji was a mahapurakh and was not a liar would believe this. Seeing as Bhai Sahib was jathedar of akj uk at one point, its not like anyone affiliated with akj wouldnt... But the whole point is this isnt anything to do with jathebandia, akj and non-akj people alike believe this. Bhai Sahib released this book for the whole sangat, the point of it was to spread sikhi to non-religious people. There is no need to talk about jathe in this issue, KHALSA raj is for the KHALSA panth.

The whole message from bhai sahib was that every sikh should wake up at amrit vela and jap naam, if anyone visited his amrit vela sessions, that continue to this day, they would see the diversity of the sangat and how many people not likely to be at the gurdvara it has brought in. It was as a result of doing simran at these programmes that bhai sahib actually got to the avastha where he saw this.

Okay point taken, however I find most of what’s stated somewhat confusing, I would be grateful if some one could kindly clarify some of the following points.

From the extract

I asked Khalsa Ji, “All others have gone, why are these still in meditation?” Khalsa Ji replied, “They have gone to see the fantastic sights of Sach Khand. They have left their physical bodies and their ethereal bodies have flown through dasam duar (tenth gate) to Sach Khand. Some, for two days, some for four and others for a longer time. They go for darshan of Akal Purakh (the Timeless Being i.e. God) and return. To see Sach Khand it is necessary to do continuous simran.”

I presume what is being referred to is the attma leaving the body to visit a heavenly place to see god. Firstly how can attma leave the body and return to it? Once the attma has left the physical the body begins to break down, in all essence it is attma that is keeping the physical functioning. Additionally why would anyone who gets to heaven and meet god want to return the temporal world?

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Singhstah    282

if the dasam duar opens then doesn't that mean that the soul has constant contact with sachkhand? in that case I don't see why the soul cant go through dasam duar. In short, astral projection to sachkhand is my take on it.

On the returning thing, I think once you have joined with vaheguroo it doesn't matter as you have realised him on the earthly plane as all around you right, or other than that its hukam that they must continue living life.

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if the dasam duar opens then doesn't that mean that the soul has constant contact with sachkhand? in that case I don't see why the soul cant go through dasam duar. In short, astral projection to sachkhand is my take on it.

On the returning thing, I think once you have joined with vaheguroo it doesn't matter as you have realised him on the earthly plane as all around you right, or other than that its hukam that they must continue living life.

In the article it states that the Singh Khalsa states to Bhai Sahib

“They have gone to see the fantastic sights of Sach Khand. They have left their physical bodies and their ethereal bodies have flown through dasam duar (tenth gate) to Sach Khand. Some, for two days, some for four and others for a longer time.”

This is different to what you have explained the two scenarios are not the same. What is the purpose of the soul having contact with Sachkand as you have said? As sachkand is one of the heavenly states and only temporary what would be the point of the attma having continues or limited access to heaven? Or could it be that the practitioner desires to see the heavens?

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Singhstah    282

Sachkhand is not temporary or a heaven, where did you get that idea from?

Sachkhand Vasai Nirankaar Kar Kar Vekhe Nadar Nihal, Sachkhand is Vaheguroo's palace, Sachkhand like Vaheguroo was, is and always will be eternal.

Sachkhand=Darshan and merger of the soul with Vaheguroo.

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Sachkhand is not temporary or a heaven, where did you get that idea from?

Sachkhand Vasai Nirankaar Kar Kar Vekhe Nadar Nihal, Sachkhand is Vaheguroo's palace, Sachkhand like Vaheguroo was, is and always will be eternal.

Sachkhand=Darshan and merger of the soul with Vaheguroo.

The way the article portrays it Sachkand is described as a heavenly state, a place which is visited to meet with god and then return to the temporal body and world.

What I don’t understand is why would such a thing happen?

What is the purpose of such actions?

And even is the Soul as described in the article really leaving the physical?

Or is it an illusion bought on by intense Bhagti without guidance?

I am sure people are aware that such things do occur . The “desire for” and unguided bhagti can be a dangerous combination it can happen the practitioner can hallucinate and see what they desired, people, places and even god and guru. Such things have happened and are happening I have come across a few that have been duped by such actions.

If Attma and Prathma are one, as the essence of Sargun and Nirgun are one why would Attma that can finally have to opportunity to be one again with Prathma return to the body and world?

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Singhstah    282

it made perfect sense to me

i am aware that you follow a different school of thought but i didn't realise it was that different lol

Sachkhand, like i said is not a heaven, but that doesn't mean that its not a physical place, offcourse it is, like i said it is Vaheguroo's physical abode (on earth he is obviously nirgun and permeating all places, this is seen after jyot vigas, which is what i imagine the state of those who went to sachkhand would be when they came back, maybe even more). Bhai Rama Singh Ji somewhere else in the book gave a description of what must have been Karam Khand and the outside of Sachkhand, there were no pillars as Sachkhand is kept up on the support of NAAM, how can any place supported by naam be temporary, gurbani tells us anything that is supported by naam never fails, dies, etc.

The only reason you got these questions is because you seem to have a really different idea of what sachkhand is.

I can't beleive that you would say that people are hallucinating such things, you sound like an ATHEIST. A sikh is never unguided because he/she always has his Guroo with him. Naam simran IS Vaheguroo, its ridiculous to say that this could ever lead to an illusion.

This is the result of looking at spiritual matters from a purely intellectual perspective. Keep making doubts in your mind till you go crazy.

I am not interested in pandit-like debates.

At the end of the day I and many people believe in Sachkhand, as described by jap ji sahib as Vaheguroo's eternal abode. The dasam duar is the physical link between humans and sachkhand and it is the place where one who has reached Vaheguroo can have 24/7 contact with him in sachkhand. Vaheguroo is the one who has control over all things, we remain in our bodies as long as Vaheguroo wills.

I'm not sure what the point of all this was except for nit-picking and trying to prove the article wrong, you didn't even say anything about the khalsa raj bit, but chose to pick out an entirely different issue.

If you don't wish to beleive it then don't.

VahegurooJiKaKhalsaVahegurooJiKiFateh

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The warrior,

I don't understand why your logic doesn't believe Bhai Sahib Rama Singh who reached much higher than you, was more than this physical body and ultimately reached Saachkhand. Yet you choose to slander him by saying he may be hallucinating. Since you may not be in favor of akhand kirtani jatha, Baba Harnaam singh could also leave his body and go to many places. He had so much shakti that when he left his body he could meet other people and they would see him as his normal human body. Many people have witnessed this and couldn't understand how at the same time he was in one place and another. Does this make all this seem false, a hallucination, a joke? Do you believe that Vaheguru is able to do the impossible that no human can do? Surely you do believe that. Then you should know that Guru Sahib has given his sikhs a mystical formula; naam that when reciting it we can achieve all the qualities of God. Therefore, we will be able to do things that our logic won't understand or comprehend with. Naam gives a lot of Shakti. If you don’t believe this then the teachings of Guru Sahib must be also a joke. Also, you asked why they need to leave their body temporally and go to saachkhand, the answer is in the first post. Maybe I need to highlight it for you: “To see Sach Khand it is necessary to do continuous simran” Let me explain: Those from Khalsa raj will need to see saach khand because it will inspire, encourage (or whatever word you prefer) to do more naam abhiyaas. The reason is because it is also said in bhai sahib rama singh’s book that those from Khalsa raj will live about 150 years and at the end of their life they will go to saachkhand. Vaheguroo. They need all the blessings that they can get to go saachkhand, don’t they? Now, please stop going against maha purakhs and look within your own self before going against these saints. They know much better than we all do. We all belong under the dust of such saints and should never dear to speak against their word.

vahegurujikakhalsavahegurujikifateh

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