Sikhs Win Khalistan Debate On Bbc - Listen For Yourself

[JagtarSinghKhalsa]

Please listen to the debate that took place between 9-10am on Monday 14 April 2008 using the link below:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/asiannet_ao.../asiannihal_mon

Debate was extended to around 10.25am to get some anti-Khalistani voices on air.

A written statement by Bhai Amrik Singh, Chair of the Sikh Federation (UK) ended the debate and the presenters response summed up that Sikhs won the Khalistan debate.

[JagtarSinghKhalsa]

Please listen to the debate that took place between 9-10am on Monday 14 April 2008 using the link below:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/asiannet_ao.../asiannihal_mon

Debate was extended to around 10.25am to get some anti-Khalistani voices on air.

A written statement by Bhai Amrik Singh, Chair of the Sikh Federation (UK) ended the debate and the presenters response summed up that Sikhs won the Khalistan debate.

Written statement by Bhai Amrik Singh, Chair of the Sikh Federation (UK) read out at the end of the programme

The Indian authorities have systematically discriminated against the Sikhs since 1947 and subverted or suppressed all legitimate political demands for greater autonomy.

In the last 30 years the Indian authorities have unleashed a rein of terror through gross violation of human rights of Sikhs in an attempt to extinguish the calls for freedom and Sikh independence.

Sikhs first secured political power in the form of an independent state in 1710, after suffering centuries of foreign invasions and alien domination.

The larger sovereign Sikh state was established in 1799 and was recognised by all the world powers.

The Sikhs, after the two Anglo-Sikh wars, lost their kingdom and the Punjab came under British rule in 1849. However, in giving up power Sikhs were party to several Treaties with the British.

Sikhs are clear about their nationhood, but it is denied by the Indian State and the Indian political class which are not prepared to allow the Sikhs their national rights.

Bhai Amrik Singh

Chair Sikh Federation (UK)

[SINGH_SARDAR]

SIKHS WILL HAVE TO MAKE THEIR KHALISTAN. WE HAVE TO GAIN OUR KINGDOM WHICH WE HAVE LOST TO INDIANS AFTER 1839. KHALISTAN ZINDABAD.

:WW: :cool_singh:

INDIAN KHALISTANI

:nishaan_sahib_right: KHALISTAN ZINDABAD

[JagtarSinghKhalsa]

SIKHS WILL HAVE TO MAKE THEIR KHALISTAN. WE HAVE TO GAIN OUR KINGDOM WHICH WE HAVE LOST TO INDIANS AFTER 1849. KHALISTAN ZINDABAD.

:WW: :cool_singh:

INDIAN KHALISTANI

:nishaan_sahib_right: KHALISTAN ZINDABAD

Corrected to 1849.

[JagtarSinghKhalsa]

Please listen to the debate that took place between 9-10am on Monday 14 April 2008 using the link below:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/asiannet_ao.../asiannihal_mon

Debate was extended to around 10.25am to get some anti-Khalistani voices on air.

A written statement by Bhai Amrik Singh, Chair of the Sikh Federation (UK) ended the debate and the presenters response summed up that Sikhs won the Khalistan debate.

Deshpal Panesar (left - against the break up of India) and Jagdeesh Singh (right pro separate Sikh State/united Punjab) - the two involved in the debate.

There were around a dozen callers and 5/6 email messages that were read out.

[sikha]

lol.. Sikhs cant even manage a Gurdwara without fighting each other, so forget about a whole nation lol

[Heera Singh]

^^ Thats true... but that shouldn't hold us back from at least TRYING to establish SOMETHING (whether separate state or not) which gives Sikhs the same equality as other groups... we can't just sit here and say 'whats the point when our own people are corrupt' (even though that is pretty true) while thousands of our brothers and sisters HAVE been and are STILL being tortured, raped, murdered, assaulted, discriminated against etc...

separate state or not, every peoples on the face of the Earth deserve to be treated with respect and dignity, and every people should be allowed an open voice to express their concerns without being prosecuted ... some believe by having a separate state, that would be achieved... regardless, we should not jus sit here and 'down' the whole khalistan thing ESPECIALLY if we're not doing anything else to make the situation better/help the situation... that includes me too..

[chatanga]

sikha listen clearly,

if your insinuation that sikhs cannot run a country means that we should not have a country, then we have no right to have gurdwaras either, as by your own admission we cannot run gurdwaras. why cant it be the same for both? if you stand by what you say, go to any gurdwara that sikhs cannot run without fighting (ie most of them) and tell the committee and sangat there they have no right to the gurdwara. i will be the first to applaud you.

chatanga

[JagtarSinghKhalsa]

SIKHS WIN KHALISTAN DEBATE ON BBC

HINDU FANATICS LOSE ARGUMENT AND RESORT TO SWEARING, NASTINESS AND TERRORISTS THREATS

On Monday 14 April the BBC decided to hold a debate on whether or not there should be a separate Sikh State, Khalistan. Nihal presented the show on BBC Asian Network between 9-10am. The two invited to speak on the subject were Jagdeesh Singh, a Sikh activist from Slough and Deshpal Panesar, an employment law barrister from London.

Jagdeesh Singh put the case for the break up of India and gave a historical Sikh perspective. Whereas Deshpal Panesar – an Indian nationalist - argued Sikhs had flourished in India, although he later admitted Sikhs had ‘had a hard time’.

In total there were 19 other contributors that took part in the discussion or sent texts or emails that were read out on air. The BBC tried to ensure a balance between those for and against a separate Sikh State, but the Khalistanis clearly came out on top.

Gurjeet Singh a leading figure in the Sikh Federation (UK) and from Leicester was the first caller and described the discrimination Sikhs have experienced since 1947 and the lack of justice for the last 30 years since 13 April 1978. One thing that is often misinterpreted that both Gurjeet Singh and Jagdeesh Singh explained was that a sovereign Sikh State would be a home where people of all faiths have freedoms.

Hardeep Singh from Berkshire a graduate in Medical Biology from Brunel University in London and a media correspondent for Panjab Radio then explained the significance of the actions taken by the Indian authorities in 1984 in advancing the case for Sikh independence and Khalistan. He also corrected Nihal who in the introduction referred to Hindu/Sikh riots instead of state sponsored pogroms.

Someone from Leicester named Jagdeesh then explained he was against India breaking up and believed the status quo must be maintained. He was a poor speaker with a limited knowledge of freedom movements who not surprisingly refused to accept Sikhs and others should have the freedom to secure their independence.

Dabinderjit Singh then spoke of the broken promises to Sikhs following Indian independence and the Sikhs refusal to sign the Indian constitution that does not even recognise Sikhs as a separate faith. He argued the continued gross violation of the human rights of Sikhs in the last 30 years reinforced the need for Sikh independence. He also explained the paramount importance in the 9/11 era of Sikhs throughout the world having a Sikh voice to represent their interests. This in part addressed the presenter who asked a number of the callers if they would go and live in an independent Sikh State if it was created.

Other pro-Khalistan speakers before the debate was due to end at 10am included Harbhajan Singh from Leicester, Jagvir Singh from Bristol and Hardeep Singh from Walsall. The only other two callers were a Muslim Panjabi called Ross who argued Panjabis were already independent and someone who called himself Daljit Sahota from Derby. He said he was not in favour of Sikh independence, but also admitted he or his family had not really been impacted on by the events of 1984.

The BBC took the unusual step to extend the debate beyond 10am and invited two controversial callers called Ash and Paul. Ash a Hindu Panjabi was clearly upset and said he was opposed to the carving up of India. He said he had a nasty side and ‘pledged’ to take up arms that would ‘make Al Qaeda look like a little baby’.

Paul then continued with a barrage of abuse towards Sikhs that had spoken in favour of Sikh independence. He called them ‘crazy’, ‘nutters’, accused them of ‘talking bloody nonsense’, said they should have their ‘heads examined’ and that they had ‘mental problems’. People can listen to the programme and decide for themselves on the BBC web site by visiting:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/asiannet_ao.../asiannihal_mon

The BBC also read out 6 email messages that were mostly in support of Sikh independence and the arguments that had been put forward. The debate was ended by the BBC reading out an emailed statement from Bhai Amrik Singh, the Chair of the Sikh Federation (UK), which is reproduced below:

‘The Indian authorities have systematically discriminated against the Sikhs since 1947 and subverted or suppressed all legitimate political demands for greater autonomy. In the last 30 years the Indian authorities have unleashed a rein of terror through gross violation of human rights of Sikhs in an attempt to extinguish the calls for freedom and Sikh independence.

Sikhs first secured political power in the form of an independent state in 1710, after suffering centuries of foreign invasions and alien domination. The larger sovereign Sikh state was established in 1799 and was recognised by all the world powers. The Sikhs, after the two Anglo-Sikh wars, lost their kingdom and the Punjab came under British rule in 1849. However, in giving up power Sikhs were party to several Treaties with the British.

Sikhs are clear about their nationhood, but it is denied by the Indian State and the Indian political class which are not prepared to allow the Sikhs their national rights.’

Given what Nihal, the presenter who is Sri Lankan and a Buddhist, had just heard from Ash and Paul after 10am he finished by saying Bhai Amrik Singh had put the Sikh case very eloquently.

[Singhstah]

^^listening to it right now, I just cannot express how much love i feel for you federation guys, thank you so very very much for giving such great spokesmen and getting properly into the politics of the country.

I hope to get involved in a couple of years, you guys rule.

Vaheguroo Ji kirpa kare on all of you.