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[Groovey]

Whatever happened to Bagri? is he still alive?

[N30S1NGH]

parmar was clearly out of his mind to make such a statement. anger/emotions were ruling over most sikhs at the time.

Get your facts right before you start running your mouth off!!!!!!! He was a shaheed for the panth!!!!!!!!

You can read soft target book regarding some of shocking revealtions on talvinder singh parmar, ie- bhai fauja singh ji's wife accused him for hijacking the peaceful movement. Soft target book has became such a reliable source for sikhs these days, oh off course people who sympathize with babbar will brush shady areas in parmar and malik's life they are pretty quick to use this book as reference yet hesitant to discuss some of fine issues in there because it challenges their beleif, they - panthic weekly guys quoting only stuff from there which suits their agenda, quote stuff on talvinder singh parmar from that book they wont because obviously that stuff is unreliable, same typical home made cook recipe articles just pick and chooose..that just shows their crediblity.

If you want to quote from the book- soft target, atleast read it fully. Our sikh soo called leaders jump on the bandwagon quoting from this book-soft target right, left and center yet hold double standards supporting certain self-proclaimed khalistani figures which this book clearly bought fwd how shady some area in lifes really were. !

read this book draw your own conculstions from it, check the index - and look for talvinder singh parmar- read the pages talk about him, atleast do something productive which is read this book throughly instead of parroting other speeches on how high and mighty this book really is and yet hold double standards regarding certain self-proclaimed khalistani figures which the same book criticize.

anyway here is the download link to download the book:

http://www.gurmarag.net/SikhAwareness/Text...get%20ebook.pdf

enjoy !

[N30S1NGH]

Support of contoversial figures like talvinder singh parmar, malik, bagri, reyat should be avoided at all costs, lets just put your jatha behind for one second please, and represent khalsa panth. If you honestly weigh talvinder singh parmar with shaheedi(martyrdom) concept laid down by our 5th sri guru arjan dev ji. He is far from being an "shaheed".

According to the Soft Target book:

1. self-edit

2.How do you explain talvinder singh parmar demanding for 500 dollars out of nowhere by inviting all the innocent people for their "chardi-kalah simran session" at 5 am?????

3. How do you explain real shaheed bhai fauja singh ji;s wife accusing parmar for hijacking the movement?

4. how do you explain parmar wealth in short little time to buy houses in cash in one of richest area in BC? where is that money come from?

5. how do you explain parmar one hand- fully denying his involvement killing police officers to the authorities and in the gurdwara bragging how he killed police officers in the india? i m sure your chardi-kalah, farladhari maha shaheed gurmukh find lying obviously ok ?

i suggest you look into these points with open mind instead of same putting your jatha and jatha leaders first infront of sikhi/khalsa ethical/ moral views and dharam yudh maryada.

To equate/ give him label of shaheedi is maha beadhi its in fact it bring the downs defination of shaheedi which sri guru arjan dev ji showed us pratically..these days shaheedi word itself gets over used and abused just like any other labels like- sant, bhramgyan's, scholars.

[N30S1NGH]

What amazes me how people can justify these comments, oh times were rough so he got carried away, this hate monger bigot- ajaib singh bagri should have been charged with inciting hatred around that time. do you have any idea what kind of chain reaction effect his comments caused on larger scale between relationship between sikhs and hindus? He and his side kicks who clapped or said boleh soo nihal with their disguisting attitude, polluted that term cannot be compared with puratan shaheeds/singhs who got all their family killed by mughals yet had no ounce of iota of hatred against whole group of people.. they didnt use any unjustified force or words towards whole group of community.

[SSjatt]

What amazes me how people can justify these comments, oh times were rough so he got carried away, this hate monger bigot- ajaib singh bagri should have been charged with inciting hatred around that time. do you have any idea what kind of chain reaction effect his comments caused on larger scale between relationship between sikhs and hindus? He and his side kicks who clapped or said boleh soo nihal with their disguisting attitude, polluted that term cannot be compared with puratan shaheeds/singhs who got all their family killed by mughals yet had no ounce of iota of hatred against whole group of people.. they didnt use any unjustified force or words towards whole group of community.

Yes that is what i mean.

[2desi]

do you have any idea what kind of chain reaction effect his comments caused on larger scale between relationship between sikhs and hindus?

Veer Ji, please explain.

[TeriSharan.]

Namstang jeeo, even if Inderjit Singh Reyat made the bomb, it wasnt suppose to used to blow a plane up killing 331 innocent lives. This crisis was all in the hands of the Indian Goverment, they organised all this because the khalistan movement was high then and lots of people were supporting it in all countries.

Namstang even if u think Parmer or Reyat are terroist and did wrong in kill innocent people, if they were behind the attacks, they will be truely be judged in Dharamraaj's court and be punished. Only waheguroo jee can judge who is good or bad. Therefore I think u should keep ur opinions to urself, eventhough their are dodgy facts on Parmer which are true, but lots of people on this forum support him and see him as a shaheed and u should support that.

[N30S1NGH]

do you have any idea what kind of chain reaction effect his comments caused on larger scale between relationship between sikhs and hindus?

Veer Ji, please explain.

I meant "might have" caused on larger scale. Every action has reaction either good or bad.

[N30S1NGH]

Namstang jeeo, even if Inderjit Singh Reyat made the bomb, it wasnt suppose to used to blow a plane up killing 331 innocent lives. This crisis was all in the hands of the Indian Goverment, they organised all this because the khalistan movement was high then and lots of people were supporting it in all countries.

Namstang even if u think Parmer or Reyat are terroist and did wrong in kill innocent people, if they were behind the attacks, they will be truely be judged in Dharamraaj's court and be punished. Only waheguroo jee can judge who is good or bad. Therefore I think u should keep ur opinions to urself, eventhough their are dodgy facts on Parmer which are true, but lots of people on this forum support him and see him as a shaheed and u should support that.

who is even talking about air india bombing? show me where i have talked about air india bombing. Soft target book brings out very revealing infomation on lives of chardi-kalah soo called shaheeds and gursikhs.

[Babbar Shere]

guys lets not ture this into a "shaheedi or not" bashing thread.

its pointless to fight over those kinds of things.

we all bring in our little proofs, our little sources but non of us were around the time these gusy were. so non of us are 100% the info we present on this website is official.

but again, lets put our selvs in that position, and think how we would have reacted if we would have heard that the gov. attacked harminder sahib, knowing everything it had done before the attack to treat us like it did.

lets us never forget the sacrifices our brothers and sisters made for us, for our panth....