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Gorakh, Brahma, Mother Parbhati........according To Guru Nanak They Are Gurus

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Kira    1,219
Just now, singh1606 said:

And also referring to your comment about Chandi Di Vaar above, guru gobind Singh ji explicitly states that is in honor of Durga specifically, not just this generalized concept if Shakti you were staging, without a specific name or form. 

At the end of Chandi Di Vaar: "Durga path banaya sabe pauriya pher na joonie aya Jin eh Gaya." 

Translation: this Durga prayer I have made, whoever sings it will not be affected by birth or death. 

The name Durga has countless Arths. At the beginning of the bani he even states that she was created by God to kill the Asura, the same style of writing is prevalent in Chaubis Avatar.

Durga in that context meant the "the invincible" or the undestroy-able. Durga Devi is destroy-able,

that is a reference to Akaal as that Bani also has a hidden second layer of message

1 minute ago, singh1606 said:

Yes he has always existed, but in what form then? To exist means to be also present in some form in the world as well. What form was it? Because it's not guru nanak dev, that only occurred in kal yug. He is jugaad Sach, present in all yugs. What about sat yug, treta yug, dwapr yug??

He existed in the Shabad Guru form. The truth that's always been there. Only difference is in Kalyug that Shabad Guru took the form of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, this is basic knowledge. For someone claiming to come here and calling all of us as being sikhs in name, the fact you don't know this is rather astounding. 

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Kira    1,219
Just now, singh1606 said:

The old khalsas called themselves Akali, does that not state that you are of Akal and therefore a Godly being?

 

Sure tridev maybe affected by Maya at some point, but how long did it last? 

According to Guru Sahib it's still ongoing into Kalyug and will still be on going.  Read Bachitar Natek for god sake. Chaubis Avatar makes it clear they'll be within Maya as even Nikalki Avatar will fall before her.

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singh1606    4

So then who wrote that shabd form??? Someone had to have written it? 

And what shabd was it and the compilations name? The author? Who was the guru nanak of those times since truth had to have presented itself then as well. 

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Kira    1,219
Just now, singh1606 said:

It might have countless arths but one of them is still the one you for some reason fear so much. 

What would I fear? I'm not scared of Durga. Heck, I may as well go out and say it I've had Darshan of her. The fact you don't even know what her name meant yet you consider her Supreme is really hilarious. Calling a Sikh "Amrit Singh" doesn't make him "Amrit" same way calling Durga as Durga wont make her invincible. capish?

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Kira    1,219
1 minute ago, singh1606 said:

So then who wrote that shabd form??? Someone had to have written it? 

And what shabd was it and the compilations name? The author? Who was the guru nanak of those times since truth had to have presented itself then as well. 

No one needs to write the Shabad Guru, The Shabad means word. The Word has existed since the start of time since all of creation came from it, The Shabad Guru was there. The Shabad was simply Gupt except for those with the pure hearts. People like Bhagat Prahlad Ji all unlocked it due to their pious nature.

Again how do you not know this?

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singh1606    4

If it was the Vedas, well guess what. It I was written by Brahma. "Vedan Mai Nam utham sune phire nahi jeou baytalya." 

Guru Amar das: the Vedas say that name is the greatest, listening to it one will not run around as though a demon

So since the vedas is authored by brahma, and he had this knowledge of Nam, and stated it, and guru Amar das ji further reinforces it in anand sahib quoting the Vedas, it means that the affect Maya did not last on brahm at least. 

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singh1606    4
6 minutes ago, Kira said:

No one needs to write the Shabad Guru, The Shabad means word. The Word has existed since the start of time since all of creation came from it, The Shabad Guru was there. The Shabad was simply Gupt except for those with the pure hearts. People like Bhagat Prahlad Ji all unlocked it due to their pious nature.

Again how do you not know this?

Actually Dhruv  took Vishnu as Akali to become brahm gyani. Narad muni was his satguru and he gave him gurmantar om namo bhagvate vasudevaye. Which refers to Vishnu arm of Akal Purakh. Prahlad was saved by NarSimha, which is again avatr of Vishnu. 

"Japayo dhru prahlaad jaise" guru granth sahib. 

These are originally puraanic skhis and were briefly included in guru grant sahib. The full history and story is in the Vishnu puraan.

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3 minutes ago, singh1606 said:

So then who wrote that shabd form??? Someone had to have written it? 

And what shabd was it and the compilations name? The author? Who was the guru nanak of those times since truth had to have presented itself then as well. 

Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji isn't a body, he is Vaheguru, Vaheguru is Ajuni, that means never born. Who taught Ramanand, Ravidas, Kabir, etc.? Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

1 minute ago, singh1606 said:

If it was the Vedas, well guess what. It I was written by Brahma. "Vedan Mai Nam utham sune phire nahi jeou baytalya." 

Guru Amar das: the Vedas say that name is the greatest, listening to it one will not run around as though a demon

So since the vedas is authored by brahma, and he had this knowledge of Nam, and stated it, and guru Amar das ji further reinforces it in anand sahib quoting the Vedas, it means that the affect Maya did not last on brahm at least. 

Are you seriously thinking that the Guru of all creation really is saying this? If you knew basic Sanskrit, you'd know Vedas means knowledge, not some book, some white man from Anglican society decided to call Vedas.

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jkvlondon    3,419
7 minutes ago, singh1606 said:

The old khalsas called themselves Akali, does that not state that you are of Akal and therefore a Godly being?

 

Sure tridev maybe affected by Maya at some point, but how long did it last? 

as long they do not release their identity/ego and surrender all to Akal purakh they will remain in Karam Bhoomi

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singh1606    4

Bhagat ram anand et al were born 500-900 years before guru nanak even took avtr in physical form. 

Shiekh Farid was also born 500 years before guru nanak.

Bhgat dhanna, bhagat Kabir, sain Nye, bhagat Ravi das, were all born in the time of swami ram anand, who was himself a Bengali high caste Brahmin. They were present 500-900 years before guru nanak. And swami ram anand or parma anand if I'm not mistaken for the name was the sat guru of bhagat dhana, sain Nye, Ravi das, and Kabir.

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Kira    1,219
4 minutes ago, singh1606 said:

If it was the Vedas, well guess what. It I was written by Brahma. "Vedan Mai Nam utham sune phire nahi jeou baytalya." 

Guru Amar das: the Vedas say that name is the greatest, listening to it one will not run around as though a demon

So since the vedas is authored by brahma, and he had this knowledge of Nam, and stated it, and guru Amar das ji further reinforces it in anand sahib quoting the Vedas, it means that the affect Maya did not last on brahm at least. 

No it wasn't the Vedas. Nice try but Guru Gobind Singh Ji said those who abandoned the Vedas found god.

ਜਿਨ ਮਤਿ ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬਨ ਤਿਆਗੀ ॥

Jin Mati Beda Kateban Tiaagee ॥

जिन मति बेद कतेबन तिआगी ॥

ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕੇ ਭੇ ਅਨੁਰਾਗੀ ॥

Paarabarhama Ke Bhe Anuraagee ॥

पारब्रहम के भए अनुरागी ॥

Those who abandoned the path of the Vedas and Katebs, they became the devotees of the Lord.

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Actually Dhruv  took Vishnu as Akali to become brahm gyani. Narad muni was his satguru and he gave him gurmantar om namo bhagvate vasudevaye. Which refers to Vishnu arm of Akal Purakh. Prahlad was saved by NarSimha, which is again avatr of Vishnu. 
 

That's the Hindu version of the story. Why would you believe that? He gained the Gurmantar from Guru Sahib, no one else. He wasn't an adherent of Vishnu, not by a long shot. He worshiped the Primordial Lord, not someone enslaved by Maya, it seems you've spent more time learning from Hindus than Tat Gurmukhs.

Prahlad was saved because God ordered Vishnu to incarnated and save him. Why call the tool that breaks the nut the force behind it?

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singh1606    4

So where swami ram anand get his brahm gyan from??? Guru grant sahib wasn't even close to being in physical form yet. 

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