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Gorakh, Brahma, Mother Parbhati........according To Guru Nanak They Are Gurus


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4 minutes ago, singh1606 said:

The 3 dev were the first entities to be created, before any human or rishi or avtar. So they were the first to be exposed to the affects of Maya. So they were at some point, does that mean they still are. That in 4 yugs of time they were unable to overcome it and realize Akal? But in 500 year span of time all of a sudden truth was suddenly apparent? 

 

There are millions of Vishnus, Shivas and Brahmas, all doing their jobs. Yes they are still attached to Maya, they will be because that's Guru Sahib's Hukam. Gurbani stated they are, that type of logic can be applied to anything and anyone. They've not overcome it in Satyug, Treta and Dwaypur. They have no chance in Kalyug until they forsake their own egos, Which is when Guru Gobind SIngh Ji came into the Earth and he stated that this is why following them is wrong. So yes they still are.

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But then according to that logic, then the mool is inaccurate, then you have clearly stated that truth arrived only in Kal yug in the form of guru nanak, because he is the only possible brahm gyani while everyone else is basically number 2 level and not full truth. But mool mantar says that full truth has existed in previous yugs as well and not just guru nanak's Kal yug. And guru nanak avtar was technically unavailable in sat treta or dwapr yug as it came only in Kal yug. So you need to clarify then the aad Sach jugaad Sach part of mool mantar since truth in full form existed in previous yugs as well and not just Kal yug. 

Guru Nanak Dev Ji is Sargun Roop of Akaal Purkh, He HAS always existed. He provided Gurmat to the truth Bhagats in all the ages. Bhagat Prahlad, Bhagat Dhanna Ji, Bhagat Kabir Ji ALL learned from Guru Nanak Dev Ji as he's always been around as he is Akaal Roop.

1 minute ago, singh1606 said:

No brahm gyani will ever say I fully understood Akal. They will always say he is completely limitless and it is imperceptible to completely understand the singular formless being. 

 

Correct. But they'll never claim to God as the Trinity do. They are God themselves so they know the limits of God anyways, that's their nimrita talking, and one thing they never do is point fingers at other Brahmgyanis as they are beyond that. So as Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir singh Ji said, the Trinity aren't Brahmgyanis because Maya controls them and they are bound to her and not to God as Gurmukhs are.

1 minute ago, singh1606 said:

 

You are the one trying to restrict that being in your incomplete understanding of Dharma, which has existed in all yugs not just guru nanak's Kal yug. If dharma existed so did brhm gyanis and gurus to maintain that dharm. 

No I am not. I'm pointing out how you're so lost in your own little world you're ignoring the Gurbani that criticizes and tells Sikhs not to fall into the same trap as them. The Guru in all the ages has been Guru Nanak Dev Ji. The True Brahmgyanis also existed but the Trinity aren't them.

 

Please listen to this Katha on the failings of the Trinity given by examples and how Maya has ensnared them.

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/01_Puratan_Katha/Sant_Gurbachan_Singh_(Bhindran_wale)/Guru_Granth_Sahib_Larivaar_Katha/Volume_05_Ang_0347-0462/042--Sant.Gurbachan.Singh.(Bhindran.wale)--Raag.Aasaa--Ang-394%2B395.mp3

Sant Ji is a Brahmgyani and if he believes the Trinity are ensnared by Maya then so do I. Just as it's written in Gurbani. So you can either call him a liar or agree with him.

 

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And also referring to your comment about Chandi Di Vaar above, guru gobind Singh ji explicitly states that is in honor of Durga specifically, not just this generalized concept if Shakti you were staging, without a specific name or form. 

At the end of Chandi Di Vaar: "Durga path banaya sabe pauriya pher na joonie aya Jin eh Gaya." 

Translation: this Durga prayer I have made, whoever sings it will not be affected by birth or death. 

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34 minutes ago, singh1606 said:

Yeah Vishnu is Nirankar in sargun form, so is bani. Akal can take multiple forms. You are the one limiting guru granth sahib to the physical form of a book, when the guru is Nirankar and thus can take any form. 

Limiting Nirankar like that is actually nindya. 

great so according to you I should disregard gurbani's arth as incomplete picture of Sat ...wow and I'm doing nindiya by repeating dhan Dhan Guru Amar Das ji's bachan to us.  Bani is  not influenced by maya unlike vishnu ...SMH

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Just now, singh1606 said:

And also referring to your comment about Chandi Di Vaar above, guru gobind Singh ji explicitly states that is in honor of Durga specifically, not just this generalized concept if Shakti you were staging, without a specific name or form. 

At the end of Chandi Di Vaar: "Durga path banaya sabe pauriya pher na joonie aya Jin eh Gaya." 

Translation: this Durga prayer I have made, whoever sings it will not be affected by birth or death. 

The name Durga has countless Arths. At the beginning of the bani he even states that she was created by God to kill the Asura, the same style of writing is prevalent in Chaubis Avatar.

Durga in that context meant the "the invincible" or the undestroy-able. Durga Devi is destroy-able,

that is a reference to Akaal as that Bani also has a hidden second layer of message

1 minute ago, singh1606 said:

Yes he has always existed, but in what form then? To exist means to be also present in some form in the world as well. What form was it? Because it's not guru nanak dev, that only occurred in kal yug. He is jugaad Sach, present in all yugs. What about sat yug, treta yug, dwapr yug??

He existed in the Shabad Guru form. The truth that's always been there. Only difference is in Kalyug that Shabad Guru took the form of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, this is basic knowledge. For someone claiming to come here and calling all of us as being sikhs in name, the fact you don't know this is rather astounding. 

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Just now, singh1606 said:

The old khalsas called themselves Akali, does that not state that you are of Akal and therefore a Godly being?

 

Sure tridev maybe affected by Maya at some point, but how long did it last? 

According to Guru Sahib it's still ongoing into Kalyug and will still be on going.  Read Bachitar Natek for god sake. Chaubis Avatar makes it clear they'll be within Maya as even Nikalki Avatar will fall before her.

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Just now, singh1606 said:

It might have countless arths but one of them is still the one you for some reason fear so much. 

What would I fear? I'm not scared of Durga. Heck, I may as well go out and say it I've had Darshan of her. The fact you don't even know what her name meant yet you consider her Supreme is really hilarious. Calling a Sikh "Amrit Singh" doesn't make him "Amrit" same way calling Durga as Durga wont make her invincible. capish?

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