Gorakh, Brahma, Mother Parbhati........according To Guru Nanak They Are Gurus

[jkvlondon]

16 hours ago, singh1606 said:

These beings are Akal puraks sargun physical form. They are his physical arms, otherwise Akal has no actual form or color. That is why they are also stated as guru, because only through the physical guru can you find the formless guru. That is the function of guru nanak Shiva et al. Gur isar gur Gorakh Brahma gur Parvati mai, Akal has taken the form of a guru in many ways, that is stretching from sat yug all the way to Kal yug. There have been so many gurus. In Kal yug alone just in the span of 500 years there have 10 enlightened beings, imagine the many throughout the eons and millions of years of all four yugs. This is why it's said that sikhs today have cut Sikhism short, to begin only at 1469, the correction is that the concept of Sikhism had started with Brahma Vishnu and Mahesh as the tin chayle parvaan, the correct answer is that avtar of guru nanak dev occurred in 1469 where Sikhism was again reintroduced to Hind. After being lost in the darkness and ignorance of Kal yug. 

but surely maya was the first because the three serve under her and also got influenced by maya and had internal argument where they forgot who was the source of their power ...?

And also Maya begged at Guru ji 's duar (Guru Ram das ji) for help to be made pavitar by being used in sewa...she would only beg at Akal Puarkh's door as she is sworn to serve only It/they/SHe/He

[singh1606]

Yeah the Dev had to correct their mistakes. That is why the asuras were created, they dethroned Indra from Amaravati in heaven and ruled the three main lokas. That's when Durga ma had to rescue Indra. She had the help of Brahma gyani rishis Samaund and Dust Daman. Durga foretold that in Kal yug these rishis and herself will again fight the asuras in our dimension. The moghals which tried to convert and conquer Hindustan were avtar of those same rakshsas that were fought as described in Chandi Di Vaar. Rishi Samaund and Rishi Dust Daman then also had to take avtar as Tyag Mal later Guru Teg Bahadur and Gobind Rai aka Guru Gobind Singh fulfilling their duty and destiny in this dimension as well. 

[singh1606]

The Dev became ego ridden, so asuras were created to be stronger than them on purpose, in order to tarnish their ego and pride. Akal doesn't like ego, Nam and ego can't coexist, so to keep the devas close to his Nam Akal had no choice but to create powerful asuras which would conquer the Dev lok. 

[singh1606]

Maya can also means Laxmi, ie treasure riches and luxury. She is a manifestation of Durga, like Kali and Parvati. And Saraswati as well. Laxmi is married to Akal Purakh's Vishnu sustainer Form, and is often depicted massaging Vishnu's legs and feet serving him as wife and Shakti in the form of riches, power, and luxury. Even today Maya ue laxmi always prefers to stay at the feet of Vishnu, as you can see the many dollars, pounds, or rupees that always seem to gather spontaneously wherever Guru Granth Sahib is prakash. Money is also a sargun form of Laxmi, of power and Shakti. There things that rich people can do which poor people can nit. That is Laxmi's Shakti control in the universe as per Akal Purakh. Saraswati and Parvati are also different forms of Shakti and represent other things, they are also the physical projection and manifestation of Akal Purakh in physical form, going from nirgun (formless) to sargun (physical manifestation of Shakti). 

[Kira]

1 hour ago, singh1606 said:

Yeah the Dev had to correct their mistakes. That is why the asuras were created, they dethroned Indra from Amaravati in heaven and ruled the three main lokas. That's when Durga ma had to rescue Indra. She had the help of Brahma gyani rishis Samaund and Dust Daman. Durga foretold that in Kal yug these rishis and herself will again fight the asuras in our dimension. The moghals which tried to convert and conquer Hindustan were avtar of those same rakshsas that were fought as described in Chandi Di Vaar. Rishi Samaund and Rishi Dust Daman then also had to take avtar as Tyag Mal later Guru Teg Bahadur and Gobind Rai aka Guru Gobind Singh fulfilling their duty and destiny in this dimension as well. 

The Devs have always been egotistical, even now they still are as they are all bound to Death and will feel his force. Even Durga is lost is Maya, She herself is powerless without God and would have died at the hands of the Asuras if God hadn't given her the power she possessed. 

On a side note also the trinity are NOT Sikhs, that's a load of nonsense. Sikhs accept Gurbani and never proclaim themselves as Supreme, like all the trinity did. 

Durga didn't foretell anything, she ran away from the field of battle as the Daints were beating her, she would have died if she stayed. She went to Rishi Ji as she was running for her life and begged him to save her. The Chandi Guru Gobind SIngh Ji used was never Durga or any Devi, he was against any form of worship of any Devi. Durga is nothing more than one of countless maids that served him. Not the other way around. She serves him.

[singh1606]

Yeah but there's still no one more lost than you LoL

[Kira]

14 minutes ago, singh1606 said:

Yeah but there's still no one more lost than you LoL

Sure I'm lost. I'm willing to accept it, but I'm not going around calling myself God. In that respect I differ from Devtas. If you're going to be snarky at-least be a bit more subtle about it. 

All I've done is stated what Guru Gobind Singh Ji wrote in his bani, if that's a bitter pill to swallow for you then so be it. 

[singh1606]

Guru Gobind Singh uses Shivas name interchangeably with akal, in "De Shiva bar mohe" because what guru gobind Singh did as rishi Dust Daman in Hemkunt sahib, Shiva had done long ago as well at Mt. Kailash in the Himalayas near Mansarovar. So the guru pays his respect toward Shiva as Akal's form because Shiva is a more senior Brahma gyani, Vishnu Brahma and Shiva are our universes oldest Brahma gyanis that is why they are able to carry out Akals hukum of creation, destruction, and sustenance of the universe. When you do nindya of these Devs you are not getting anyone's belssings at all. Additionally, guru gobind Singh was not the only one to become Akali at hemkunt sahib, Pandu, the 5 Pandav brothers with Draupadi, and Laksman Sri ram chander's brother aka Shesh Naga also did bhagti at that same spot guru gobind Singh did as well, in the form of rishi Dust Daman. 

[singh1606]

That's why I said you are lost because you are just soooo busy devta bashing. you do not understand and you do not personally know Shiva or other Brahma gyanis and their opinions, yet you already have such predetermined and strong opinions about them, without understanding their struggles or level of spirituality and their Akali Shakti, relation to Akal, and role in our universe. 

 

[singh1606]

It seems Sikhism and sikhs have become less about nirankar and his various forms and experiences and more about simply devta bashing. It is the Kal yug after all there is bound to be confusion with inexperienced minds who believe they know and have experienced everything as though they were Brahma gyanis themselves. Be a sikh first and learn with an unbiased and open mind rather than reverting to nindya by nature and automatically, without having even tried to understand what you are denouncing. It's simply repetition of secondary and tertiary interpretations of certain parchariks, not accurate to what Bani says.