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Gorakh, Brahma, Mother Parbhati........according To Guru Nanak They Are Gurus


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We have a scholar here in kam1825. however if you want to know the full meaning of this tuk from many angles, then i will refer you to www.gurmatveechar.com where you can look up Giani Thakur Singh under the katha section. I have been listening to katha f Japji recently and he give a clear meaning of what this means. It s the only way you will really understand the message.

heres my 2 cents worth :

the Siddhs ask Guru Nanak : "who is your Guru"

Guru Ji says :

Gur isar = Guru of Shiva

Gur Gorakh =Guru of vishnu

Gur Brahma = guru of Brahma

Parbati = and parbati

Ma = and Lakhsmi

ee = and saraswati

Thier Guru is my Guru ie God.

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Today's sikhs are useless. They aren't even real sikhs. They like to divide dharam in to sikh and then everyone else. And then they degrade that everyone else as inferior while at the same time saying Good is in them as well and our Guru is like isar Brahma or Vishnu for us. Which is contradictory and hypocritical. Today's sikhs can't see the same guru in the form of Brahma or Shiva or Parvatti, the guru has to be a bearded man for them. Preferably with a white beard holding out a hand. They don't realize that the guru is the same as this aforementioned. I suggest you read what Jap ji sahib is saying and it is saying exactly as the original poster read it, everything else you read in this thread is a secondary or tertiary interpretation and can skew the original message. Just read the primary source and what it says. Don't let others' egotistical interpretations of Sikhism get in the way. The guru is beyond their ego, the same guru you bow down to in Gurdwara had also taken the form of Shiva, gorakh and Parvati mai. Sikhs today are confining guru grant sahib to his physical form as a book, when he has had taken these forms as well in the past. It's the same guru aad Sach jugaad Sach hai bhi Sach nanak hosi bhi Sach. Guru granth sahib did not start existing 500 years ago, he was always around since the beginning but in different forms, like Shiva, like Parvati, like Gorakh Nath. Sikhs today say Sikhism is so deep it is limitless, guru grant sahib is so deep and limitless, yet they limit them at the same time and can't see the fact that that same guru did and could have had numerous forms and that because he is limitless he could take the form of Shiva et al as well. They say he is limitless but tend to suppress him in whatever form they think is correct according to their own knowledge. This is what is meant by mahadev kou kahat sada siv nirankar ka cheenat nai bhiv they think the one is only the form of Shiva, when he was also the form of Vishnu and Brahma the rishis and Parvati as well , when he also has no form at all to. Same with sikhs today, they think nirankar is only in the form of guru granth sahib when that is not spiritually accurate since nirnkar is aad Sach jugaad Sach hai bhi Sach nanak hosi bhi Sach, he was around in various forms before Guru Nanak even took avtar before even yet inventing the oora shabd,, that's where Shiva Brahma and Vishnu come in when Gorakh Nath come in, they are him too just reinvented in another form. This is what modern day "sikhs" refuse to understand, they rather hang on to their ego that we are special and above everyone else, like the misled brahmins of the past, that is what they have become today. No understanding just trying to portray they want to see him not what he actually is. Not by What he is actually saying. 

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Today's sikhs are useless. They aren't even real sikhs. They like to divide dharam in to sikh and then everyone else. And then they degrade that everyone else as inferior while at the same time saying Good is in them as well and our Guru is like isar Brahma or Vishnu for us. Which is contradictory and hypocritical. Today's sikhs can't see the same guru in the form of Brahma or Shiva or Parvatti, the guru has to be a bearded man for them. Preferably with a white beard holding out a hand. They don't realize that the guru is the same as this aforementioned. I suggest you read what Jap ji sahib is saying and it is saying exactly as the original poster read it, everything else you read in this thread is a secondary or tertiary interpretation and can skew the original message. Just read the primary source and what it says. Don't let others' egotistical interpretations of Sikhism get in the way. The guru is beyond their ego, the same guru you bow down to in Gurdwara had also taken the form of Shiva, gorakh and Parvati mai. Sikhs today are confining guru grant sahib to his physical form as a book, when he has had taken these forms as well in the past. It's the same guru aad Sach jugaad Sach hai bhi Sach nanak hosi bhi Sach. Guru granth sahib did not start existing 500 years ago, he was always around since the beginning but in different forms, like Shiva, like Parvati, like Gorakh Nath. Sikhs today say Sikhism is so deep it is limitless, guru grant sahib is so deep and limitless, yet they limit them at the same time and can't see the fact that that same guru did and could have had numerous forms and that because he is limitless he could take the form of Shiva et al as well. They say he is limitless but tend to suppress him in whatever form they think is correct according to their own knowledge. This is what is meant by mahadev kou kahat sada siv nirankar ka cheenat nai bhiv they think the one is only the form of Shiva, when he was also the form of Vishnu and Brahma the rishis and Parvati as well , when he also has no form at all to. Same with sikhs today, they think nirankar is only in the form of guru granth sahib when that is not spiritually accurate since nirnkar is aad Sach jugaad Sach hai bhi Sach nanak hosi bhi Sach, he was around in various forms before Guru Nanak even took avtar before even yet inventing the oora shabd,, that's where Shiva Brahma and Vishnu come in when Gorakh Nath come in, they are him too just reinvented in another form. This is what modern day "sikhs" refuse to understand, they rather hang on to their ego that we are special and above everyone else, like the misled brahmins of the past, that is what they have become today. No understanding just trying to portray they want to see him not what he actually is. Not by What he is actually saying. 

bro one point 

Guru ji is app Parmeshvar i.e. mukht (free from Maya, panj chor etc.)

Guru ji has also pointed out how Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva are subject to Maya and panj chor according to ancient texts  so how can they be equivalent ?

Sikhi is the true underlying path for all the universe because it expresses the truth behind sargun roop and how labels fall away as one progresses .

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I very much agree with jkvlondon Pen Jee.

Sree Guru Nanak Dev Maharaj, clears all our doubts regarding that primal universal eternal Truth, right from the very begining of SGGS, when He states : Ik Oankar Satnam.

There is only one Lord Creator,  not  multiplicity in forms or shapes and sizes, as these gods are along with their spouses and children.

And that One Lord  is  Sat = Truth as eternity in existence, and as Nam, as an Infinite  Ocean of  formless Consciousness.

That´s it.

Third Patshahee Sree Guru Amar Das Maharaj tells us in Raag Maajh :

ਉਤਪਤਿ ਪਰਲਉ ਸਬਦੇ ਹੋਵੈ

Outhapath Paralo Sabadhae Hovai ||

Creation and destruction happen through the Word of the Shabad,

ਸਬਦੇ ਹੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਓਪਤਿ ਹੋਵੈ

Sabadhae Hee Fir Oupath Hovai ||

Through the Shabad, creation happens again.

 

So that eternal Truth, is Naam or Shabad, as per Gurbani.

Moreover, Dhan Dhan Satguru Nanak Dev Maharaj, tells us in Japji Sahib :  Sach Khand vaseh Nirankar.

in the region of eternal Truth, resides (Nirankar) the formless Lord, which is as thus:

aad Sach, jugaad Sach, hae bhee Sach, Nanak hosee bhee Sach.

So we can cleary see through the Bani, it is Shabad or Naam, which is the eternal form of Wahiguru Akal Purukh, as eternal Truth or Satnam.

The trinity gods, godesses, devtays, angels and other spirtual beings, are usuallly mistaken as ultimate Truth, by most of the world.

These gods/entities, have a purpose, a specfic job, to keep on the mayavee creation, that is it, but never ever are Wahiguru.

Our goal is Wahiguru Akal Purukh alone, none else.

Sat Sree Akal.

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Of course everyone is temporary, all sargun forms of Akal ie guru nanak, Vishnu, Shiva, et al will all disappear once Akal decides to destroy everything and be by his own self. Akal is Nirankar he has no foem, when everything is destroyed there will only be formlessness. In the beginning Akal was by himself with no one else, therefore not just Shiva brhma and Vishnu are subject to the end of this game that Akal has started, guru nanak himself will also be included when the formless one decides to end everything. The guru uses the example of Brahma Shiva and Vishnu because they were the first 3 beings created by Akal, they are his first 3 sikhs in the universe. Eka Mai jugat vai tin chele parvaan (Brahma Vishnu Mahesh/Shiva) ik sansari(brhma Akal creates through brhma) ik bhandari (the sustainer vushnu) ik lai diban (Shiva the desteoyer) these are Akal purakhs tin chayle parvaan his accepted 3 students or first 3 sikhs of the universe. The guru uses them as an example because even they will not remain when Akal decides to end this game, therefore nothing at all will remain as it was before creation ensues. And when the formless one feels like it again he will recreate the tin chayle and recreate sustain and accordingly destroy the universe. "Kai bar pasrayo pasar sada ik ik onkar"If even the creating force of Akal the sustaining force and even the destroying force will not survive what will happen to the rest of the universe? That is why they are used as prime examples because they are primal and the oldest creations of Akal. 

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These beings are Akal puraks sargun physical form. They are his physical arms, otherwise Akal has no actual form or color. That is why they are also stated as guru, because only through the physical guru can you find the formless guru. That is the function of guru nanak Shiva et al. Gur isar gur Gorakh Brahma gur Parvati mai, Akal has taken the form of a guru in many ways, that is stretching from sat yug all the way to Kal yug. There have been so many gurus. In Kal yug alone just in the span of 500 years there have 10 enlightened beings, imagine the many throughout the eons and millions of years of all four yugs. This is why it's said that sikhs today have cut Sikhism short, to begin only at 1469, the correction is that the concept of Sikhism had started with Brahma Vishnu and Mahesh as the tin chayle parvaan, the correct answer is that avtar of guru nanak dev occurred in 1469 where Sikhism was again reintroduced to Hind. After being lost in the darkness and ignorance of Kal yug. 

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