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What Religion Was Jatt Jeona Morh

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i dont know about that, i've always thought of panjabi culture as a kanjar culture.

This is the funniest thing I ever read today. you are so right but you sound so wrong lol

P.S. I am Punjabi. lol

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i dont know about that, i've always thought of panjabi culture as a kanjar culture.

Bhangra Culture has hijacked the authentic old Punjabi culture for the last 40-50 years. Today Bhagra culture has turned Punjabi culture into Kunjar Culture.

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Who cares? He was not a Sikh.

Time for Sikhs to le go of this garbage called Panjabi culture.All this filth of Heer Ranjjha, Sassi-Punnu, Sohni-Mahiwal, Bulle Shah, Waris Shah etc was spouted by muzzies. It certainly has nothing to do with Sikhi and contradicts everything that Sikh religion stands for. As for the moderns "Panjabi culture" thee less said the better- it is all about casteism, getting drunk/high or false pride disguised as "anakh". Panjabi culture is a defective, stupid and pagan culture. One of the key objectives o Sikh religion was to emancipate the masses from the falsehood of this silly pagan culture and lead them to the path of truth.

Time to make up your minds folks- who are you? Sikh or Panjabi? Anybody could be a Panjabi.Those muzzies from West Panjab and Malerkotla, those Panjabi Hindus, those cults like Ravidasis,Radha Swamis, Dera Lucha Sauda and all such zillion cults are all Panjabis. Should we embrace them as our brothers? Well I can tell you that they would more than glad to see Sikhs become extinct

Time to wake up from this illusion of "Panjabiyat " and "Panjabi brotherhood".I say, let Panjabi culture and "Panjabiyat" go to hell. Let both sides of Panjab burn and turn into wastelands. All this would could be tolerated as long as Sikhi prospers and proliferates.

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Jeona Morh was a Sidhu Sikh Jatt. The story of Jeona Morh only became popular after Dev Tharikewala wrote the Jeone Morh song for Surinder Shinda. The part where it says Jeona Morh chattar is not real. A man from Jeona Morh's village in India did an article about Jeona Morh and it was featured in News Papers in Punjab. He says that the way movies or the songs show Jeona Morh dying are wrong. Jeona Morh was hung to death, and there are two stories that they say about Jeona Morh, one is that he jumped off the cliff, the other one is that he got "bachan" from a Hindu mata saying that keep running don't look, Jeona Morh kept running but he looked back and was shot. Both these stories are fake. Jeona Morh died by getting hung and Jeona Morh's brother was also released from jail eventually from Kala Pani. Also Sikhs do go to demi god places, like for example some Sikhs also pray to peers the sufi saints and then some pray to hindu places. 

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Ok here's the actual history and low down, as unbiased as it can get, from the perceptions of modern day "Sikhi" aka Neo-Sikhism which has been heavily influenced by the British and their established agency and puppet government of the SGPC dal, which still functions today under the Badals, Sukbir and Prakash Badal.

Jatt Jeona Mor was a Maur/Mor Clan Jatt of the Punjab region, undivided, aka Akhand Punjab before pakistan, Haryana, and himachal pradesh were dissected out by governments and politicians, aka the Badals, SGPC and others. Jeona was following traditional and original form of Sikhi before it was changed by the SGPC and the British, they changed it in order to affect our unity against thier rule and cause us to be fragmented, infight and eventually ineffective against them as we fight among ourselves. The SGPC primarily attacks "Devi Pooja" and says that Sikhs shouldnt do "Devi pooja" what Jeona was doing. In reality, Our Gurus themselves were Poojaris of Devi Durga, aka Naina Devi, Kali Ma. They are mentioned many times in Nit Nem as well as Dasam Granth. Devi is called as "Jagat Mata" by Guru Gobind Singh, and he was a firm poojari of Devi Ma, she is Akal Purakh's Shakti Form, and is worshipped as such by the Sikh Gurus and past Avtars.

Jeona was still following Sikhi's original Form before it was changed by the British. There are many proofs of Sikhism original span in Guru Granth Sahib, Dasam Granth, and Sarbloh Granth Sahib. Sikhism did not start in 1469 with Guru Nanak, it has been going on since Satya Yug (Aad Sach, Jugaad Sach, Hai Bhi Sach, Nanak hosi bhi sach." avtar of Guru Nanak is 1469 but Sikhi has existed since Shiva, Brahma, and Vishnu were created as Arch Angels by Akal Purakh. These 3 are also Akal Purakh's first 3 Sikhs, or Shishyas, or "Chaylas." as is described in Jap Ji Sahib by Guru Nanak himself. Our people lost the ancient arts and concepts of "Sikhi" overtime and it had to be revitalized by Guru Nanak and the subsequent Sikh Gurus.

Hindu also is not a religious definition, it is a nationality definition, it means a native of Hind, ie a Hindu. like a person of America is American, of Britain is British, of Punjab is Punjabi, of Rajasthan is Rajasthani, of Hind is therefore Hindu. Hind is the total Land mass of the smaller Land masses of North India:Punjab, Rajasthan, Bihar, UP, etc etc The word Hind itself is a conjugation of Himalaya and Bindu Sarovar (the Vedic Name for Arabian Sea), the land that stretches from the Himalayas in the Northeast to the Arabaian Sea (bindu sarovar) in the west is therefore Hind, and a native of Hind is hence a Hindu. So Sikhism is a native relgion of the defined Land region of Hind, and is hence a native Hindu religion. Not American, not Arabian, not Lebanese, etc etc. The British called Hind as India, naming the Land mass after the largest western river, the Indus, but the Land's original names according to the Vedas is either Hind, Arya Vart, or Bharat, with corresponding nationalities being Hindu, Aryan, or Bharati. So Sikhism is a native Hindu religion, or you can say a native Aryan religion, or native Bharati religion. Just like Jainism and Buddhism, they all originated in Hind.

The higher castes of the Varna system are the actual vedic Aryan races: ie native north Indian Brahmin and Kshatriyas, the Kshatriya Varna is further divded into jatees which are Jatts/Jaats, Gujjars, Rajput, Khatris, and 96 clan Marhattas, and in total they fall under 4 major dynasities, depending on Gotra/Surname: Solar, Lunar, Snake, and Fire (Surya Vansh, Chandra Vansh, Naga Vansh, and Agni Vansh).

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Another very famous Maur Jatt is Chandra Gupta Maurya, who founded the Mauryan Empire which stretched from Tibet to the East, like Maharaja Ranjit Singh, but this time it strecthed even further west way past Kabul into Persia, Europe, and Greece. Chandra Gupta Maurya defeated the Persians and Macedonians in their own lands as well. 

The Maurs are Powerful Jatt Warriors.

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^^^^Chandra Gupta Maurya/Maur/Mor

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some people are saying this is Jeona Maur's original photograph. you can verify that independently.

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22 minutes ago, singh1606 said:

Another very famous Maur Jatt is Chandra Gupta Maurya, who founded the Mauryan Empire which stretched from Tibet to the East, like Maharaja Ranjit Singh, but this time it strecthed even further west way past Kabul into Persia, Europe, and Greece. Chandra Gupta Maurya defeated the Persians and Macedonians in their own lands as well. 

The Maurs are Powerful Jatt Warriors.

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^^^^Chandra Gupta Maurya/Maur/Mor

Jatt+Jeona+Morh+Original+Photo+-+Rare+Pi

some people are saying this is Jeona Maur's original photograph. you can verify that independently.

Many Juts are prone to lying and exaggerating. I'd take all this with a pinch of salt. 

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The Macedonians aren't the only ones that the Jatts had defeated in ancient history, The lands of Jutland, Geatland (pronounced Yeatland), and Gotland were all established by the Jatt race in Northern Europe. Jatt is pronounced Jut as well as Yut, Jaat, or Yaat. Sometimes in North Indian language the "J" is pronounced as a "Y."

That is why there is a Jutland and Geatland, which is Jutland pronounced with a "Y" instead, both land masses are Original Jatt Territories. Gotland is a more Swedish origin pronunciation of Jatt, but was established by the Geats, aka Jatts. Odin was a Surya Vanshi Jatt of the Asir clan who had defeated Ysgramor of North Europe. He established Asgard in North Europe, "As" refers to Asir Clan, "Gard" is a native North Indian Jatt word, also spelled "Garh" which means Fort, or Kila. the "rh" is pronounced as a "D" so it can also be spelled as "Gard." Asgard therefore means Fort of the Asir, aka Odin. 

Odin was the one that gave Scandinavia its name, he named the land mass after Skanda, Shiva's eldest son, and according to the Puranas the first Overall General of the Jatt Race in the Sat Yug in Northern India was Skanda. Skandinavia, therefore likely means Realm of Skanda. Shiva is also accredited according to the Vedas of forming the first Jatt being, aka Veera Bhadra, a powerful warrior created from the Hair of Shiva. Jatt in sanskrit means Hair. Shiva created the first Jatt in order to establish revenge for Sati (an avtar of Durga Devi) by killing her Father Daksha, on whose account Sati immolated herself in fire, taking her life. Veera Bhadra fought all Devas in order to finally kill Daksha by beheading him. Jatts get their name from their origin from the Jatta of Shiva. Other Dev also created Jatts, like Agni Dev, Chandra Dev, Naga Dev, and Surya Dev, that is why you have 4 major Kshatriya dynasties: Surya, Chandra, Naga, and Agni. but Shiva had created the first one it seems, Jatts are therefore the founders and cornerstone of the Kshatriya Varna, and all other jatees in this Varna originate from the Jatt, whether its Rajput, Khatri, Marhatta, or Gujjar. These were later further defined based on geographical location and occupation, ie Rajasthan Jatts were known as Rajput, Jatts doing vaisya caste (bania caste) work in the cities were known as Khatris, cow herding Jatts as Gujjars, etc. those that stayed on their ancestral land inheritances likely retained the title of Jatt. Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Mother's name is Mata Gujari, likely a nod to the Gujjar division of Jatts, whose language is specifically also called Gujari. like how Jaats in Haryana speak the language called Haryanvi. 

Odin also likely founded Asirya, as it being named right after his Asir Jatt clan, just like Asgard in North Europe, as well as Iran, which refers to Aryan, and according to the Vedas only the High caste Brahmin and Kshatriya Varnas are Aryan races, aka noble races within the 4 caste Varna system defined in the Manu Simriti. 

here's a neat video regarding the Jatt Race's first manifestation: 

Naina Devi Mandir, where Jeona Maur would go, was where the eyes of Sati fell, also stated toward the end of the video; Sati is an avtar of Durga Devi, hence the place's name of Naina Devi, or the Eyes of Durga, in turn who is the Mother of the Universe and Akal Purakh's manifestation of pure Shakti. Whom Guru Gobind Singh Ji refers to as "Jagat Mata" ie Mother of Universe. 

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8 hours ago, singh1606 said:

 

very interesting read.

But wow, this thread was started in 2007? A decade ago!

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1 hour ago, ipledgeblue said:

very interesting read.

But wow, this thread was started in 2007? A decade ago!

interesting how he manages to say Guru Sahiban were Kali Ma de pooja karan wale and nobody said a peep....and  Asgard is a mythological place not a real place ...nice try just reminds me of typical Hindutva rewriting of history/geography to suit of modern times ... too much like the Dad in 'my big fat Greek Wedding'  "tell me a word, any word and I will show you it comes from ancient Greek"

 

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On 23/07/2017 at 0:15 AM, dallysingh101 said:

Many Juts are prone to lying and exaggerating. I'd take all this with a pinch of salt. 

yep this guy too , see:

The conclusive and most ancient evidence of Chandragupta's kshatriya origin is provided in a book by Chanakya explaining the preference for a poor kshatriya (Chandragupta) over an adharmic (Nanda) king. Chanakya describes himself as a protector of religion because he destroyed the Nanda and gave the empire to the kshatriya Chandragupta.

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Sikhs today can't even tell you who was the first Jathedar of Akal Takhat since the Khalsa Panth was established in 1699. They can probably tell you who was the first president of the United States, the first Prime Minister of England, the first Prime Minister of India, but they couldn't tell you who was the first Jathedar of Akal Takhat in 1699.

It's because this history as well as Pooja of Durga has been suppressed by the 1920's British created SGPC. You are following an altered, dulled down version of Sikhism edited and cut by the British Imperial Crown. Yes Guru Gobind Singh was a kattar (fanatic) poojari of Durga/Kali Ma, and if he were here today he would reinforce this unto you. He himself wrote the Chandi Charitr and Chandi Di Vaar in Dasam Granth. Not only there, but Durga is praised over 700 times in various parts of Dasam Granth. the Ardas begins with Durga, because Shakti is the first thing that Akal created in the Universe, and Durga is Shakti, she is "pritham" the first to be created:

"Ekh-oonkaar Vaaheguroo jee kee Fat'eh.
Sree Bhagautee jee Sahaa-e. Vaar Sree Bhagautee jee kee Paat'shaahee D'assveen

Pritham Bhagat'ee simar kaae Guroo Nanak laeen' D'hiaa-ae."

Bhagauti refers to Durga, its one of her many names, she is also called Parvati, Kali Ma, Bhavani, Chandi, etc. The Sword, Khanda is also considered a physical manifestation of Shakti/Durga.

"Khanda Pritham Saj kai, jin Sabh Saisaar upaaiaa"- Chandi Di Vaar. Again referencing Durga via the Khanda.

Don't blame me for trying to "rewrite Sikhism," it's already been done by foreign Imperial and greedy forces with the help of traitors that look like you and talk like you, so you can believe them more easily. The British stayed in India for about 200 years, do you think they were sipping tea the entire time?

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54 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

yep this guy too , see:

The conclusive and most ancient evidence of Chandragupta's kshatriya origin is provided in a book by Chanakya explaining the preference for a poor kshatriya (Chandragupta) over an adharmic (Nanda) king. Chanakya describes himself as a protector of religion because he destroyed the Nanda and gave the empire to the kshatriya Chandragupta.

These people are such a bunch of tossers that theoretically if aliens from Jupiter invaded earth and subjugated it, they'd run around telling everyone they were descendents of the new rulers pointing out (in earnest....) how the 'Jup' in Jupiter sounds a lot like Jut as irrefutable evidence. lol

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1 minute ago, dallysingh101 said:

These people are such a bunch of tossers that theoretically if aliens from Jupiter invaded earth and subjugated it, they'd run around telling everyone they were descendents of the new rulers pointing out (in earnest....) how the 'Jup' in Jupiter sounds a lot like Jut as irrefutable evidence. lol

I am descended from jatts but it doesn't make me desperate to disregard my true roots Sikhi just to score stupid points . It seems Jatt Jeora Morh was probably not sikh but a hindu 

 

17 minutes ago, singh1606 said:

Sikhs today can't even tell you who was the first Jathedar of Akal Takhat since the Khalsa Panth was established in 1699. They can probably tell you who was the first president of the United States, the first Prime Minister of England, the first Prime Minister of India, but they couldn't tell you who was the first Jathedar of Akal Takhat in 1699.

It's because this history as well as Pooja of Durga has been suppressed by the 1920's British created SGPC. You are following an altered, dulled down version of Sikhism edited and cut by the British Imperial Crown. Yes Guru Gobind Singh was a kattar (fanatic) poojari of Durga/Kali Ma, and if he were here today he would reinforce this unto you. He himself wrote the Chandi Charitr and Chandi Di Vaar in Dasam Granth. Not only there, but Durga is praised over 700 times in various parts of Dasam Granth. the Ardas begins with Durga, because Shakti is the first thing that Akal created in the Universe, and Durga is Shakti, she is "pritham" the first to be created:

"Ekh-oonkaar Vaaheguroo jee kee Fat'eh.
Sree Bhagautee jee Sahaa-e. Vaar Sree Bhagautee jee kee Paat'shaahee D'assveen

Pritham Bhagat'ee simar kaae Guroo Nanak laeen' D'hiaa-ae."

Bhagauti refers to Durga, its one of her many names, she is also called Parvati, Kali Ma, Bhavani, Chandi, etc. The Sword, Khanda is also considered a physical manifestation of Shakti/Durga.

"Khanda Pritham Saj kai, jin Sabh Saisaar upaaiaa"- Chandi Di Vaar. Again referencing Durga via the Khanda.

Don't blame me for trying to "rewrite Sikhism," it's already been done by foreign Imperial and greedy forces with the help of traitors that look like you and talk like you, so you can believe them more easily. The British stayed in India for about 200 years, do you think they were sipping tea the entire time?

really , so anyone who is so desperate to make up stuff to prove some jatt supremacy argument is going to tell me that the Gurbani I read should be taken as Devi Devta pooja , I refuse to believe Guru ji ever did that  since He described Akal Purakh as HIs Guru and Waheguru ji's power as Aad Shakti ... we are told in Gurbani numerous times that we need to worship the Creator not the Created  thus not to worship anyone or thing subject to Maya . Explain why Guru Sahiban would worship the Created as all the Demi-Gods are... 

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6 minutes ago, simran345 said:

No guesses for who liked his post 😏

These days  it seems a regular occurrence that Hindu mat vale come and try to educate sikhs on how to interpret Guru ji's words and actions ...it's getting old and nearly as bad as the arabian ones who tell me Guru Nanak Dev ji was a muslim ...both so desperate to claim our heritage ...only to destroy us

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21 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

These days  it seems a regular occurrence that Hindu mat vale come and try to educate sikhs on how to interpret Guru ji's words and actions ...it's getting old and nearly as bad as the arabian ones who tell me Guru Nanak Dev ji was a muslim ...both so desperate to claim our heritage ...only to destroy us

I'm getting fed up of these people trying to tell us Sikhi originated from Hinduism, and that Guru Nanak Dev ji was a Muslim. If they really thought that you'd think they would be going to Gurdwaras. But they're not. They're talking nonsense as usual. 

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17 minutes ago, simran345 said:

I'm getting fed up of these people trying to tell us Sikhi originated from Hinduism, and that Guru Nanak Dev ji was a Muslim. If they really thought that you'd think they would be going to Gurdwaras. But they're not. They're talking nonsense as usual. 

truth is they knew from their scriptures that Guru Nanak Dev ji is Kalyug da Avtar , that would be the end of their jaat paat, their rozi roti of swindling the superstitious , those who were true brahmin , pundits they joined with Satguru ji's charan rest were all protecting their pakhand . They've had the headsup for three thousand years   so we need to really be on our top game to counter their falsities

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1 hour ago, singh1606 said:

Sikhs today can't even tell you who was the first Jathedar of Akal Takhat since the Khalsa Panth was established in 1699. They can probably tell you who was the first president of the United States, the first Prime Minister of England, the first Prime Minister of India, but they couldn't tell you who was the first Jathedar of Akal Takhat in 1699.

It's because this history as well as Pooja of Durga has been suppressed by the 1920's British created SGPC. You are following an altered, dulled down version of Sikhism edited and cut by the British Imperial Crown. Yes Guru Gobind Singh was a kattar (fanatic) poojari of Durga/Kali Ma, and if he were here today he would reinforce this unto you. He himself wrote the Chandi Charitr and Chandi Di Vaar in Dasam Granth. Not only there, but Durga is praised over 700 times in various parts of Dasam Granth. the Ardas begins with Durga, because Shakti is the first thing that Akal created in the Universe, and Durga is Shakti, she is "pritham" the first to be created:

"Ekh-oonkaar Vaaheguroo jee kee Fat'eh.
Sree Bhagautee jee Sahaa-e. Vaar Sree Bhagautee jee kee Paat'shaahee D'assveen

Pritham Bhagat'ee simar kaae Guroo Nanak laeen' D'hiaa-ae."

Bhagauti refers to Durga, its one of her many names, she is also called Parvati, Kali Ma, Bhavani, Chandi, etc. The Sword, Khanda is also considered a physical manifestation of Shakti/Durga.

"Khanda Pritham Saj kai, jin Sabh Saisaar upaaiaa"- Chandi Di Vaar. Again referencing Durga via the Khanda.

Don't blame me for trying to "rewrite Sikhism," it's already been done by foreign Imperial and greedy forces with the help of traitors that look like you and talk like you, so you can believe them more easily. The British stayed in India for about 200 years, do you think they were sipping tea the entire time?

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool I swear the trolls are getting more and more stupid by the day.

Claims to be a Sikh but tells everyone to do Durga Puja. Read the next line Bhaugati means sword there or deepest power (in reference to God and not Durga). You'll now say that every time Raam is used it means Ram Chandar, every time Har is used it means Vishnu and so on. Get a grip. The very verse you keep quoting then goes on to say that God created Durga to destroy the demons, so there goes that theory.

ਤੂ ਕਹੀਅਤ ਹੀ ਆਦਿ ਭਵਾਨੀ ॥ 
ਮੁਕਤਿ ਕੀ ਬਰੀਆ ਕਹਾ ਛਪਾਨੀ ॥੪॥ 
 

Gurbani already made it clear that She can't do anything, that verse alone criticises her and shows how helpless she is. No-ones equal to Akaal Purkh he has no consort, so please. 

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On 28/09/2007 at 6:21 PM, dalsingh101 said:

My point is that it isn't "our" culture but someone elses that has been passed off as ours. What possessed Jatts to steal a story from Baghdad and make out it is their own is puzzling in itself.

probably told by  mughal army soldiers to their newly converted brothers ....bit like laila majnu, Sohni Mahiwal etc

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The SGPC has been feeding you their version of Sikhism since the 1920s, that's almost a 100 years of populace brainwashing, their lies seem like Truth now since they have been repeated for the past 100 years.

So the SIkh Gurus were created by Akal Purakh just as Durga was, why do you bow down to them and not Durga? Be consistent then, stop bowing to a "creation of the Creator" and bow only to the Creator? 

This stand against Durga is not from our Guru, it is from parchariks, preachers with an agenda to divide thecommunity so that they remain in control and in power, it is no wonder that the SGPC still exists today. What did your Badals do when Guru Granth Sahib was being desecrated in the streets? Their institution is the same one that sends out preachers to preach against Durga and Devtas, Sikhism today has become more about maligning them than anything else. 

Why do you accept the interpretations of secondary and tertiary sources like these preachers? secondary and tertiary accounts can be twisted and misinterpreted, why not go straight to the Source, the Primary Source, Guru Granth Sahib and the Dharam Granths? 

Quote: "Gur Isar Gur Gorakh Brahma Gur Parvati Mai"

Direct Translation: The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Gorakh Nath, Brahma is the Guru, Parvati Mother (aka Durga) is Guru. 

Quote: "Eka Mai Jugat Vai tin chele Parvaan Ik sansari ik bhandari ik lai diban."

Translation: Eka Mai=Durga; jugat Vai=married to the Universe, tin chale parvaan=to the three approved sikhs or chaylas; ik sansari=Brahma the cosmic creator; ik Bhandari=Vishnu the sustainer, ik lai diban=Shiva the destroyer. Durga manifested as Mata Saraswati, Mata Laxmi, and Mata Parvati and married the 3 approved chayla of Akal who manage the universe under Akal's command. They carry the jot of Akal, and are the same as him, just like we say for the Sikh Gurus of Kal yug. 

Sure Akal created these beings, but he created the Gurus as well, you worship Akal through the Guru, through those who are approved by Him, and these approved beings worthy of stature as Guru have been listed in above quotes straight from the Jap Ji Sahib written solely by Guru Nanak Dev. 

It is funny because tomorow people with your mindset are even going to start removing Dev from the Guru's names, because it refers to Devta and is too "Hindu." Tomorrow you are going to change Guru Har Krishan Ji's name as well, because it refers to Sri Krishna and his Gurmantar of Har Har, again because it's too "Hindu," a distinction that never existed in the Guru's time but has become exaggerated in our time. There is no Sikh or Hindu, there is only Gyan. Gyan is what makes you a true Sikh. 

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On 22/05/2014 at 5:00 PM, SSG19 said:

Who cares? He was not a Sikh.

Time for Sikhs to le go of this garbage called Panjabi culture.All this filth of Heer Ranjjha, Sassi-Punnu, Sohni-Mahiwal, Bulle Shah, Waris Shah etc was spouted by muzzies. It certainly has nothing to do with Sikhi and contradicts everything that Sikh religion stands for. As for the moderns "Panjabi culture" thee less said the better- it is all about casteism, getting drunk/high or false pride disguised as "anakh". Panjabi culture is a defective, stupid and pagan culture. One of the key objectives o Sikh religion was to emancipate the masses from the falsehood of this silly pagan culture and lead them to the path of truth.

Time to make up your minds folks- who are you? Sikh or Panjabi? Anybody could be a Panjabi.Those muzzies from West Panjab and Malerkotla, those Panjabi Hindus, those cults like Ravidasis,Radha Swamis, Dera Lucha Sauda and all such zillion cults are all Panjabis. Should we embrace them as our brothers? Well I can tell you that they would more than glad to see Sikhs become extinct

Time to wake up from this illusion of "Panjabiyat " and "Panjabi brotherhood".I say, let Panjabi culture and "Panjabiyat" go to hell. Let both sides of Panjab burn and turn into wastelands. All this would could be tolerated as long as Sikhi prospers and proliferates.

Bulle Shah praised Guru ji don't mix him in with the others

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    • What was their run in over? A lot of the ISYF guys are khalistan lifers bro, sure some were snakes, but a lot still haven't turned their backs on it. Bains idk, he was briefly giving Badal a chance but cut him out very quick. I'd say he went neutral, rather pro-govt. Chauhan, Sohan and all them, still trying to learn more about them.  Very true. If they willed, they could set up Punjab, but why would they? I wouldn't be surprised if the fed govt already is waiting for agriculture to fail, and have a back up planned. They're too smart to remain dependant on Sikhs/Punjab. 
    • It sounds like you have issues with your situation that are being played out vicariously through your daughter.. The issue seems to be one between you and your relationship with your husband.. I think in this situation and to make sense of it,  it is worth disregarding the fact you are both amritdhari. You start by saying he is a angry man, and that you to get angry.. You also say that your daughter gets a lot of love.. It sounds very much like you feel that you have no control over your environment and are a passive player.. And hence the one thing you do have immutable influence over ie. Your daughter has become the battle ground...  Fundamentally it sounds like you're husband is not fulfilling his duties by raising his hand to your dastar he has committed a heinous act of violence..  You don't actually say anything bad about your mother in law so whilst she is not reprimanding your husband may be she is indirectly trying to express her love via your daughter.  You have no reason to feel guilty about your actions sounds like you are frustrated and upset and that needs to be addressed.. You need to speak to people around you not just your husband but may be your mother in law.. And share with her your feelings of powerlessness..  You may already have done some of these things but reading between the lines of what you have written fundamentally it seems like you are unhappy with your husbands behaviour..  Please forgive me if I have misunderstood  Good luck sister  SSA 
    • If you ask me, it's a declaration of war for someone to be pulling a Dastar, I wouldn't ever even tell Non-Sikhs to take off their religious objects; however, an Amritdhari telling another Amritdhari not to wear Dastar is what I'd consider an impossible situation. If you agree with the husband's actions, (which you said previously you don't), then I'd understand where you are coming from.   You seem to have some idealised worldview where every old person is some Mahapurukh, reality-check that's not the case at all, you may be blessed to have a Mahapurukh family, or you may not, the key is each individual case is different, if I heard that any of my female relatives were being insulted openly by some of their in-laws, I'd recommend the same. I haven't insulted any line of any shabad or your interpretation of the Shabad; however, you have to read the entire Shabad to grasp the full-meaning. But even what you are referring to is qualities of ancestors, not the ancestors themselves. Never claimed that. . They were Sikh sakhis, Modern Hinduism was only made when the Indo-Aryans and the Dravidians conquered the Adivasi population. Sikhi has existed since beginning of time. For the sake of keeping the topic at hand relevant, and since I respect you enough not to argue on something like this, I won't discuss more on whether the Sakhis are Hindu or Sikh. Ajamal was a Sikh, and the purpose of the Sakhi is to tell future Sikhs not to be going to prostitutes like Ganika. Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji even prevented from whom if I remember correctly Bhai Joga Singh from going to prostitutes. (If this wrong, you have every right to correct me). Never did and Hopefully with his grace, never will. 
    • Well, if it's impossible, sure. But note that the the impossibility stems from krodh (anger) and haumai (ego) all around. Yet the same anger and ego that makes it impossible for a nuclear family to live with dadi also makes it impossible for husband and wife to live together, and then when the wife splits off, for the children to live with the mother and they will want to be legally emancipated because it's "impossbile". What we end up with is simply the same thing as the 21st century Leftist West: Do whatever you want to do. Which is another name for manmat: Doing what your mann wants. Seriously, bro? The tuk is Guru Sahib's, not mine. You are effectively questioning Gurbani. In any case, the point is not necessarily dadi recounting "we used to idol-worship Shiva back in the day", but all manner of things that your ancestors did: Some examples: how we cultivated the jungle region of Pakistan, the pain of partition, how people used to live simply, how we lost our business due to inability to pay back a loan and we had to struggle for 2 decades to get back on our feet,  how your grandfather's brother was born genetically deformed and how he had to help him all his life, how the servant was so poor she could not marry her daughter so we helped her out, etc, etc. Bro, dharam is not the same thing as getting up and doing Japji Sahib and wearing 5 kakkars (though that's required for us indeed). Dharam is not something that didn't exist before Guru Nanak Dev ji, and just came into existence when Guru Sahib was born, or started parchar. Dharam is something greater, and older. Read this tuk: ਸੁਣਿ ਸਾਖੀ ਮਨ ਜਪਿ ਪਿਆਰ ॥ Listen to the stories of the devotees, O my mind, and meditate with love. Now a question for you: Do you think the sakhis that Guru sahib says to listen to are "Sikh" sakhis or "Hindu" sakhis. Don't look ahead and cheat!!       ---- Answer: "Hindu" sakhis:   ਬਸੰਤੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਘਰੁ ੧ ਦੁਤੁਕੀਆ Basant, Fifth Mohalla, First House, Du-Tukee: ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਸੁਣਿ ਸਾਖੀ ਮਨ ਜਪਿ ਪਿਆਰ ॥ Listen to the stories of the devotees, O my mind, and meditate with love. ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਉਧਰਿਆ ਕਹਿ ਏਕ ਬਾਰ ॥ Ajaamal uttered the Lord's Name once, and was saved. ਬਾਲਮੀਕੈ ਹੋਆ ਸਾਧਸੰਗੁ ॥ Baalmeek found the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy. ਧ੍ਰੂ ਕਉ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਿਸੰਗ ॥੧॥ The Lord definitely met Dhroo. ||1|| ਤੇਰਿਆ ਸੰਤਾ ਜਾਚਉ ਚਰਨ ਰੇਨ ॥ I beg for the dust of the feet of Your Saints. ਲੇ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਲਾਵਉ ਕਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਦੇਨ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Please bless me with Your Mercy, Lord, that I may apply it to my forehead. ||1||Pause|| ਗਨਿਕਾ ਉਧਰੀ ਹਰਿ ਕਹੈ ਤੋਤ ॥ Ganika the prostitute was saved, when her parrot uttered the Lord's Name. ਗਜਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਧਿਆਇਓ ਹਰਿ ਕੀਓ ਮੋਖ ॥ The elephant meditated on the Lord, and was saved. ਬਿਪ੍ਰ ਸੁਦਾਮੇ ਦਾਲਦੁ ਭੰਜ ॥ He delivered the poor Brahmin Sudama out of poverty. ਰੇ ਮਨ ਤੂ ਭੀ ਭਜੁ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ॥੨॥ O my mind, you too must meditate and vibrate on the Lord of the Universe. ||2|| ਬਧਿਕੁ ਉਧਾਰਿਓ ਖਮਿ ਪ੍ਰਹਾਰ ॥ Even the hunter who shot an arrow at Krishna was saved. ਕੁਬਿਜਾ ਉਧਰੀ ਅੰਗੁਸਟ ਧਾਰ ॥ Kubija the hunchback was saved, when God placed His Feet on her thumb. ਬਿਦਰੁ ਉਧਾਰਿਓ ਦਾਸਤ ਭਾਇ ॥ Bidar was saved by his attitude of humility. ਰੇ ਮਨ ਤੂ ਭੀ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਇ ॥੩॥ O my mind, you too must meditate on the Lord. ||3|| ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ ਰਖੀ ਹਰਿ ਪੈਜ ਆਪ ॥ The Lord Himself saved the honor of Prahlaad. ਬਸਤ੍ਰ ਛੀਨਤ ਦ੍ਰੋਪਤੀ ਰਖੀ ਲਾਜ ॥ Even when she was being disrobed in court, Dropatee's honor was preserved. ਜਿਨਿ ਜਿਨਿ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਅੰਤ ਬਾਰ ॥ Those who have served the Lord, even at the very last instant of their lives, are saved. ਰੇ ਮਨ ਸੇਵਿ ਤੂ ਪਰਹਿ ਪਾਰ ॥੪॥ O my mind, serve Him, and you shall be carried across to the other side. ||4|| ਧੰਨੈ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਬਾਲ ਬੁਧਿ ॥ Dhanna served the Lord, with the innocence of a child. ਤ੍ਰਿਲੋਚਨ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਭਈ ਸਿਧਿ ॥ Meeting with the Guru, Trilochan attained the perfection of the Siddhas. ਬੇਣੀ ਕਉ ਗੁਰਿ ਕੀਓ ਪ੍ਰਗਾਸੁ ॥ The Guru blessed Baynee with His Divine Illumination. ਰੇ ਮਨ ਤੂ ਭੀ ਹੋਹਿ ਦਾਸੁ ॥੫॥ O my mind, you too must be the Lord's slave. ||5|| ਜੈਦੇਵ ਤਿਆਗਿਓ ਅਹੰਮੇਵ ॥ Jai Dayv gave up his egotism. ਨਾਈ ਉਧਰਿਓ ਸੈਨੁ ਸੇਵ ॥ Sain the barber was saved through his selfless service. ਮਨੁ ਡੀਗਿ ਨ ਡੋਲੈ ਕਹੂੰ ਜਾਇ ॥ Do not let your mind waver or wander; do not let it go anywhere. ਮਨ ਤੂ ਭੀ ਤਰਸਹਿ ਸਰਣਿ ਪਾਇ ॥੬॥ O my mind, you too shall cross over; seek the Sanctuary of God. ||6||\ ਜਿਹ ਅਨੁਗ੍ਰਹੁ ਠਾਕੁਰਿ ਕੀਓ ਆਪਿ ॥ O my Lord and Master, You have shown Your Mercy to them. ਸੇ ਤੈਂ ਲੀਨੇ ਭਗਤ ਰਾਖਿ ॥ You saved those devotees. ਤਿਨ ਕਾ ਗੁਣੁ ਅਵਗਣੁ ਨ ਬੀਚਾਰਿਓ ਕੋਇ ॥ You do not take their merits and demerits into account. ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਦੇਖਿ ਮਨੁ ਲਗਾ ਸੇਵ ॥੭॥ Seeing these ways of Yours, I have dedicated my mind to Your service. ||7|| ਕਬੀਰਿ ਧਿਆਇਓ ਏਕ ਰੰਗ ॥ Kabeer meditated on the One Lord with love. ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਬਸਹਿ ਸੰਗਿ ॥ Naam Dayv lived with the Dear Lord. ਰਵਿਦਾਸ ਧਿਆਏ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਅਨੂਪ ॥ Ravi Daas meditated on God, the Incomparably Beautiful. ਗੁਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਵ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਰੂਪ ॥੮॥੧॥ Guru Nanak Dayv is the Embodiment of the Lord of the Universe. ||8||1||   ਬਸੰਤੁ (ਮਃ ੫) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅੰਗ ੧੧੯੨    Was Ajamal a "Hindu" or a "Sikh"? Why did Guru Sahib tell us to remember his sakhI? Please answer these two questions. Don't doubt Guru Sahib. He is Satguru, we are followers. Note for Hinduphobes: If you read the entire shabad, Guru Arjan Dev ji lists all the "Hindu" personalities that we should remember, but at the very end says Guru Nanak Dev ji is the very form of God. Meaning that the Avatars (Ram Chander, Krishan Bhagvan, etc.) had some level of powers from God, but they were not God. Not so for Guru Nanak Dev ji.