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waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

guru gobind singh ji did not have 2 wifes , he had one! .... he was married to one... but the other mata sahibkaur was the mother of the khalsa! .... people think they were married but they were not. its cus she was the mother of the khalsa!!! and not his wife... :umm:

bhull chukk maaf

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To help understand the topic it may help if people understood that multiple marriages or Polygamy during that period generally in the subcontinent were not unknown and pretty common and not taboo subjects as they are today.

The topic starter uses the word “sexual activity” in relation to the Gurus marriages; we have in our selves reduced the understanding of our Gurus to our own inferior level and comfort zone.

It may help if people you are interested to know more about the subject if you study it impartially and independently.

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This is my understanding of it:

Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji had ONE wife another Bibi wanted to marry him but he refused and instead made her the mother of all of Khalsa and not his own wife.

if im wrong then im sorry

bhull chuk maaf

d_oh.gif yes thats the truth

Cool i got it right...........but its making me think that some non sikhs may use this as a tactic to manipulate sikhs who arent so knowledgeable in sikhi (conversions)

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guru gobind singh ji did not have 2 wifes , he had one! .... he was married to one... but the other mata sahibkaur was the mother of the khalsa! .... people think they were married but they were not. its cus she was the mother of the khalsa!!! and not his wife...

Soooo let me get this straight ...

mata sahib kaur ji is the mother of the khalsa ....

guru gobind singh ji is the father of the khalsa ....

but they WERE NOT MARRIED?!?!?!

hmmm ... so what does that make the khalsa?

we'll if the mother and father of a child are not married then the child is using the correct terminology called a bas***. sorry if you find this offensive, but it is the truth. a child born of unmarried parents is considered to be born in sin and is called the 'b' word. so according to people who say that our mother and father are unmarried, we the khalsapanth and all the great shaheeds and gursikhs are all a bunch of b***. sharam karo to be saying this to such gurmukhs!

ps before somebody starts saying that guru ji and mata ji are our spiritual parents and not our physical parents... well the anand karaj is a ceremony which binds you both physically and spiritually. so how can our parents (guru ji and mata sahib kaur ji) be married spirtually if they have not had anand karaj? and yes in order to be mother and father of the panth they need to be spiritually joined and married.

sorry of this sounds harsh, but it is simply cold, hard logic.

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<<<< Cool i got it right........... >>>>

You got it right because someone agreed with you? is that your test ?................mmmmmm.

<<<< but its making me think that some non sikhs may use this as a tactic to manipulate sikhs who arent so knowledgeable in sikhi (conversions) >>>>

We need to be strong in out Sikhi, not start manipulating our history to suit others. If Guru Sahib Ji had three Mahals, then they had three Mahals...........deal with it!

<<<< guru gobind singh ji did not have 2 wifes , he had one! .... he was married to one... but the other mata sahibkaur was the mother of the khalsa! .... people think they were married but they were not. its cus she was the mother of the khalsa!!! and not his wife... >>>>

People repeat this adnausium but do not try to understand what they are saying. I find the above argument very distastefull indeed. So Guru Sahib Ji is our father, Mata Sahib Kaur Ji is our mother but they were not married ????????

Please do not make a mockery of our faith. Of course Guru Sahib Ji married Mata Sahib Devan Ji other wise how could they put the Khalsa Panth in her cholli ? For god sake guys think before you post !

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AK - 47,

I tried to avoid it, but you said it very directly.

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<<<< Cool i got it right........... >>>>

You got it right because someone agreed with you? is that your test ?................mmmmmm.

<<<< but its making me think that some non sikhs may use this as a tactic to manipulate sikhs who arent so knowledgeable in sikhi (conversions) >>>>

We need to be strong in out Sikhi, not start manipulating our history to suit others. If Guru Sahib Ji had three Mahals, then they had three Mahals...........deal with it!

<<<< guru gobind singh ji did not have 2 wifes , he had one! .... he was married to one... but the other mata sahibkaur was the mother of the khalsa! .... people think they were married but they were not. its cus she was the mother of the khalsa!!! and not his wife... >>>>

People repeat this adnausium but do not try to understand what they are saying. I find the above argument very distastefull indeed. So Guru Sahib Ji is our father, Mata Sahib Kaur Ji is our mother but they were not married ????????

Please do not make a mockery of our faith. Of course Guru Sahib Ji married Mata Sahib Devan Ji other wise how could they put the Khalsa Panth in her cholli ? For god sake guys think before you post !

NOOOOO!!!!!! thats not my test AND you dont know me so dont judge ANYWAY so what is the answer.........this is confusing.

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Lets put the issue of Mata Sahib Deva as the mother of the Khalsa aside for a second and look at Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji.

The Guru had five sons and one daughter. They were:

Baba Gurditta was born to Mata Damodriin 1613.

Bibi Viro was born to Mata Damodri in 1615.

Baba Surj Mal was born to Mata Marwahi in 1617.

Baba Ani Rai was born to Mata Nanaki in 1618.

Baba Atal Rai was born to Mata Nanaki in 1619.

Baba Tegh Bahadur was born to Mata Nanaki in 1621.

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Satgur Har Rai Sahib Jee

wives:

Mata Krishan Kaur Jee,

Mata Chand Kaur Jee,

Mata Ram Kaur Jee,

Mata Kaut Kalyani Jee,

Mata Thoki Jee,

Mata Anokhi Jee,

Mata Ladho Jee,

Mata Prem Kaur Jee,

Get over it.

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I think this is again another example of the puratan sampradas believing one thing and some modern Sikh (movements) rejecting it. People who assume how events occured and write their understanding of this topic usually ignore historical texts but take thier fancy stories from modern books supporting their moral and ethical conscience - which of course comes from the ego :awesome

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I read this on Sikhnet:

"Why did Guru Gobind Singh have more than one wife? How many

marriages did Guru Gobind Singh have?

The wrong impression that the Guru had more than one wife was

created by those writers who were ignorant of punjabi culture.

Later authors accepted those writings regarding more than one

marriage of the Guru and presented other important people usually had

more than one wife as a symbol of their being great and superior to

the common man. Guru Gobind Singh, being a true king, was justified

in their eyes to have more than one wife. This is actually incorrect.

In the Punjab, there are two and sometimes three big functions

connected with a marriage, i.e., engagement, wedding and Muklawa.

Big gatherings and singings are held at all these three functions.

In many cases, engagements were held as soon as one had passed the

baby stage. Even today, engagements at 8-12 years age are not

uncommon in some interior parts of the country. The wedding is

perfomred a couple of years after the engagement. After the

wedding, it takes another couple of years for the bride to move in

with her in-laws and live there. This is called Muklawa. Dowry and

other gifts to the bride are usually given at the time of this

ceremony to help her to establish a new home.

A big befitting function and other joyful activities were held

at Anandpur, according to the customs, at the time of the engagement

of the Guru. The bride, Mata Jeeto Ji, resided in Lahore which was

the capital of the Mughal rulers, who were not on good terms with

the Gurus. When the time for the marriage ceremony came, it was not

considered desirable for the Guru to go to Lahore alongwith Sikhs in

large numbers. Furthermore, it would involve a lot of inconvenience

to the Sangat, young and old, who wished to witness the marriage of

the Guru. THerefore, as mentioned in the Sikh chronicles, Lahore

was 'brought' to Anandpur Sahib for the marriage instead of the Guru

going to Lahore. A scenic place, a couple of miles to the north of

Anandpur was developed into a nice camp for the marriage. This place

was named Guru Ka Lahore. People going to Anandpur visit this place

as well. The bride was brought to this place by her parents and the

marriage was celebrated with a very huge gathering attending the

ceremony.

The two elaborate functions, one at the time of engagement and

the other at the time of the marriage of the Guru, gave the outside

observers the impression of two marriages. They had the reason to

feel like that because a second name was also there, i.e., Mata

Sundari Ji. After the marriage, there is a custom in the Punjab to

give a new affectionate name to the bride by her in-laws. Mata

Jeeto Ji because of her fine features and good looks, was named

Sundari (beautiful) by the Guru's mother. The two names and two

functions gave a cause to the outsiders to believe that the Guru had

two wives. In fact, the Guru had one wife with two names as

explained above.

There is one more very important function in the life of the

Guru and the Sikhs. It took place in 1699 when the Guru founded the

Khalsa Panth. For preparation of Amrit, he took a Khanda and a Bata

(bowl) and asked Mata Sahib Kaur to bring Patasas (puffed sugar) for

adding to the water in the Bata. Thus, Guru Gobind Singh and Mata

Sahib Kaur jointly particpated in preparing Amrit. Alongwith

firmness like steel, sweetness is another great character of the

Khalsa, gifted respectively by Guru Gobind Singh and Mata Sahib Kaur

to them. Whereas Guru Gobind Singh is recognized as the spiritual

father of the Khalsa, Mata Sahib Kaur is recognized as the spiritual

mother of the Khalsa.

Again, people not conversant with the Amrit ceremony mistakenly

assume that Mata Sahib Kaur was the wife of Guru Gobind Singh. As

Guru Gobind Singh is the spiritual father but not hte physical

father of the Khalsa, Mata Sahib Kaur is the spiritual mother of the

Khalsa but not the physical wife of the Guru Gobind Singh.

Because of their ignorance of the Punjabi culture and the Amrit

ceremony, some writers mistook these three names of hte women in the

life of Guru Gobind Singh as the names of three wives. Another

reason for this misunderstanding is that the parents of Mata Sahib

Kaur had decided to marry her to Guru Gobind Singh. When the

proposal was brought for discussion at Anandpur, the Guru said that

he could not have another wife because he was allready married. The

dilemma before the parents of the girl was that, the proposal having

become public, no Sikh would be willing to marry her. The Guru

agreed for her stay at Anandpur but without accepting her as his

wife. The question areose, as every woman desires to have a child,

how she could have one without being married. The Guru said, "She

will be the mother of a great son who will live forever and be known

all over the world." The people understoon the hidden meaning of his

statement only after the Guru associated Mata Sahib Kaur with

preparing Amrit by bringing Patasas. It is, therefore, ignorant to

consider Mata Sahib Kaur as the worldy wife of Guru Gobind Singh."

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Satgur Har Rai Sahib Jee

wives:

Mata Krishan Kaur Jee,

Mata Chand Kaur Jee,

Mata Ram Kaur Jee,

Mata Kaut Kalyani Jee,

Mata Thoki Jee,

Mata Anokhi Jee,

Mata Ladho Jee,

Mata Prem Kaur Jee,

Get over it.

CAN ANY PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY THINK THAT ANY OF OUR GUROO SAHIBS HAD MORE THAN ONE WIFE, POSSIBLY EXPLAIN WHY THE HECK GUROO JI WOULD WANT MORE THAN ONE WIFE?

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The wrong impression that the Guru had more than one wife was

created by those writers who were ignorant of punjabi culture.

HAHAHA thats wonderful. Im sorry i know you didnt write this article but its really pathetic. I didnt bother readiting it past that sentence. The first line implies that the following were all ignorant of Punjabi Culture:

Pandit Tara SIngh Narotam

Giani Gian Singh

Kavi Santokh Singh

Sant Gyani Gurbuchan Singh Khalsa Bhinderanwale

And many other mahapursh and scholars of puratan sampradas who have lineages back to the Gurus.

Oh yes, I really think Gyani Gurbachan Singh was ignorant of Punjabi culture. rolleyes.gif

The same Mahapurkh who was a Sukhmani Sahib pathi at the age of 5 and was doing akhand paths by the age of sevan, that was response for reviving pathis across the whole of punjab and whos influence extends to probably every village... but apparently ignorant of Punjabi culture...once again.... :awesome

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