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I Don't Want To Merge With Waheguru?

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Tenets of Sikhi

1. Nam Japna

2. Kirat Karni

3. Vand Shakna

I solely believe in the teachings of SGGS and i do believe WAHEGURU is there but i am unable to get around the "merging with god" part. I mean doesn't that make us self-centered. We are on this earth(in human form) to do the above mentioned things. I totally understand the "kirat karni" and "vand shakna". What confuses me is "nam japna", shoudln't nam japna be living in bhayai of akal purakh, shouldn't it be done as shukrana for what akal purakh has bestowed upon us, counting our blessing, living in the bhana of waheguru. But instead we do naam jap to merge with waheguru..isn't that an attribute of a selfcentered individual and in doing so are we just strengthening the wall between us and humility??

me confused..please express your thoughts

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u need to go back to the source from where you came. You kno whats funny about naam simran is that, the reason for it is only realised once we do it. The love and desperation to merge with guroo ji (whcih makes a person do more naam jap) only comes after japping in the first place!

just trust guroo sahib, do what he says and we shud all try to do as much jap as we can, then guroo sahib will be pleased and explain all. Mind you, dont do naam jap to gain sumthing like the reason why, cause then none of us will get newhere, we shud try our bests to do jap just cause guroo ji sed so. Now, if only i could practice this... lol

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mmmmmmmmmmmmm interesting, this did make me think a little bit....................bhul chuck maafi if i understood the question wrong but this are my thoughts.................

it depends on our viewpoint.................think of it like this............

what are we? we are the creation of God................

why are we here? because we forsaked God in our previous life and we are here to rectify those mistakes................when we jaap naam................we dont only do to become one with God we do to give us the strengh to "be one with god, and the world yet remain detached from it ("it" being the world)"

an example is getting married, its simply a physical union between two souls, we as humans must provide and care and nurture our family but when we forget waheguru and become consumed by family, work, emotional commitments.......we forget God and He is the one who created us...............we are simply manifestations of His Mster plan....................

when people compliment us and flatter us.................we develop pride which will only cause our downfall.........yet when recieveing a compliment when should thank Waheguru bcos every action that we partake in is the result of our pre-ordained destiny...........

What confuses me is "nam japna", shoudln't nam japna be living in bhayai of akal purakh, shouldn't it be done as shukrana for what akal purakh has bestowed upon us, counting our blessing, living in the bhana of waheguru. But instead we do naam jap to merge with waheguru..isn't that an attribute of a selfcentered individual and in doing so are we just strengthening the wall between us and humility??

the sole purpose of nam japna is not just merge with waheguru..........that will happen automatically as a result of good deads in ur life which is not just reciting bani, but loving all those around u...............encouraging others to find the path of wahguru.....etc etc.........alongside reciting bani................

its when we start having pride and ego in the fact that we recite bani thats makes us question or doubt our humility....................everyone, myself included takes some level of pride within theirselves..................but this pride only lays the foundations of our self-destruction so its the 5 chors, thats takes us away from humility and NOT japing Naam itself.......

i hope that made sense cos i think faster than i type

bhul chuck maafi veerjee

JustME

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Raaj na chao mukat na chao man preet charan kamalaareh

we shud naam jap cus we love vaheguru.. right now our avastha is not that high so naturally we see what we can gain. Bt once we do so much bhagtee and live in vaheguroos hukam... the love will come and we wont care about what we will get out of it.---. we will make it as if its a one way thing..we give love bt will not be bothered about what we get out of it.

Vaheguroo jee ka khalsa vaheguroo jee kee fateh

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Guest Akirtghan

wah wah, you finally started a good thread :|

think about the following tuk, the answer is there :lol:

haumY dIrG rogu hY dwrU BI iesu mwih ]

houmai dheeragh rog hai dhaaroo bhee eis maahi ||

Ego is a chronic disease, but it contains its own cure as well.

actually the answer to your question "shouldn't it be done as shukrana for what akal purakh has bestowed upon us, counting our blessing, living in the bhana of waheguru. But instead we do naam jap to merge with waheguru..isn't that an attribute of a selfcentered individual" is both yes and no

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Don't we want to meet a person if he/she has some quality or has something just great in him/her ....... yes why not...........I am excited...

However here the case is a bit diff becoz the Waheguru is Oceanfull of Quality still we don't wanna meet him... why? Just becoz we don't really know his qualities ...we havn't seen him around...we havn't met him(or didn't remember the last meet)....so what to do...here where interference of Guru comes in

And that is why Guru Sahibaan has given so much preference to sing the qualities(Kirtan) of waheguru, to meet sadh sangat daily(to feel him around) and chant his name(call him again and again).....so that we cud engrave his qualtites on our heart

And by doing this might be one day we could have a drop of love(Preet) for him....

......merging in him is too faaaaaar thing first let us enjoy that priceless preet of him....

Bhuul Chukk Maaf !!!

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yes cause only "waheguru can meet you" not the other way around

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Bhai Gurdas Jee tells us that Guru is willling to meet anyone who wants to meet him.

Charan Sharan Gur Ek Paenda Jaaey Chal, Satgur Kot Painda Aagay Hoey Layt Hai.

You've identified the three "golden rules" that Guru Nanak Dev Ji set out. however those rules are not the be all end all, nor do they tarnish, contradict or demean any of the other concepts of sikhi.

We TRY to do keerat karni, we TRY to vand ke chhak, we TRY to jap naam. We're confusing our Efforts "jatan" with actual kamayee.... when you TRY to cross the street, you may fall on your face halfway there, you can not then CLAIM that you crossed the street simply because you tried to.

We jap naam, but do we really experience it? We're trying to experience it, and that's our bhuleykha... we try to do it, therefore we have assumed that we have done it...

So, my point is to say... how do you know that you're not already in the process of merging with God? do you have a tried/tested/true formula for "trying" to merge with God?

Perhaps it is something that just happens on its own, as you do naam, as you do seva, as you share with others and live an honest life? Maybe you have no control over it. Maybe by partaking in Naam Japna, Keerat Karni, Vand Ke Chhakna, you are in fact creating your highway to God that you are travelling uncosciously, and one day will reach the end of the highway without evne knowing you ever got on that highway to begin with.

Or I'm jus talkin mush!

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actually the answer to your question "shouldn't it be done as shukrana for what akal purakh has bestowed upon us, counting our blessing, living in the bhana of waheguru. But instead we do naam jap to merge with waheguru..isn't that an attribute of a selfcentered individual" is both yes and no

no....

Naam japna is about expressing your love for your Husband Lord.. whether you get Him or not is within GurKirpa.. without His Mercy you can't.

Doing Shukrana of What Akaal Purakh has bestowed,

Counting our blessings,

And living in Bhana of Akaal Purakh

are ALL just side effects to Loving Akaal Purakh in the 1st Place!

When you do Naam japna, psychologically you're putting Akaal Purakh at a higher position than yourself - You accept that Akaal is higher than you.. So how can Naam Japping be a self-centred act?

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haumY dIrG rogu hY dwrU BI iesu mwih ]

houmai dheeragh rog hai dhaaroo bhee eis maahi ||

Ego is a chronic disease, but it contains its own cure as well.

In this tuk.. Guru Ji poiints out that while it is a chronic disease, ego also displays its symptoms via: Kaam Krodh Lobh Moh Hankaar for us to recognise. Until we recognise these symptoms we cannot cure it. THis is how Ego is both a disease and a cure.

Eg: Bacterial infection is a disease.. but it can be naturally cured by a fever ie: temperature, runny nose.

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Guest Narinder Singh

I agree with B4ND4,

Sikhi isnt about getting anything, its about learning how to live under Wahegurus hukam, and yes that means possibily not merging with waheguru.

It's like the love one has for their significant other. Sure there might be times when you cant be with that person, and there's a chance you'll never ever get to be with that person, that doesnt mean you'll stop loving them, or stop doing things out of love for them. At times, people are treated like crap by their significant other, yet they still love them, its unconditional.

Why try to get anything when we already have everything we need (waheguru) with us?

Fateh.

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Tenets of Sikhi

1. Nam Japna

2. Kirat Karni

3. Vand Shakna

I solely believe in the teachings of SGGS and i do believe WAHEGURU is there but i am unable to get around the "merging with god" part. I mean doesn't that make us self-centered. We are on this earth(in human form) to do the above mentioned things. I totally understand the "kirat karni" and "vand shakna". What confuses me is "nam japna", shoudln't nam japna be living in bhayai of akal purakh, shouldn't it be done as shukrana for what akal purakh has bestowed upon us, counting our blessing, living in the bhana of waheguru. But instead we do naam jap to merge with waheguru..isn't that an attribute of a selfcentered individual and in doing so are we just strengthening the wall between us and humility??

me confused..please express your thoughts

you are right you are confused. nam japna isnt done for one thing, im sure sangat on here will help you, best thing isto search for an answer from gursikhs they will help you

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