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firstly jog means to join...guru granth sahib jis bani joins us to vaheguru. If you are referring to the yogis who would take there breathes up to the 10sm dwaar yes you are correct guru nanak dev jis bhagti is different. the guru teaches us how to get past this trigun, get to sant then sadhu then bhagt then brahamgyani and as per gurbani the highest stage, gurmukh as a gurmukh. just by reading bani you cant meet god, everything is done thur a jugti:

ram ram sabh ko kehi ram khan mehi phed.

at the end of the day in this desh you cant get mukt: trigun saaba dhaat hai par par kari vichaar mukt kiv nah hovi ni paein mauk dwaar.

and bin naami mukt naah bhavi koei bin satgur kau naam na paei prabh assi banat banai hai.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Sant, Sadhu, Brahmgyani, Gurmukh are the same thing, just difference of words. Your logic is very similiar to what the "Radha Soamis" and other sects teach that there is an need for an "human guide". Then are you saying we have to find a "Sant" to get this jugti. You said Guru Granth Sahib joins us to Waheguru, then that is all we need. Out of the 9 types of Bhagti, KIRTAN is uttam bhagti. And yes i meant Yog Matt also called Jog Matt by some. Quoting Gurbani just to meet an certain agenda is not good.

There are attempts being made to bring Sikhi into Yog Matt but kindly read the "SIDH GHAUST".

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Please give me 1 or 2 days b4 i can confirm the programme for this sunday, I will also get the address and post it here. As for the the things you've heard could you please share with the sangat here as to whats been said?

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Bhai sahib came to my house, a while ago, he seems ok. if you have issues then go down and speak to him. . i think some ppl need to grow up, just cus ur jatha dsnt agree with sumit, there no need to reject it alltogether. . . from what i know the simran etc is good, katha is good. its about actually doing it... and seeing results.

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firstly sant sadhu bhagt brahamgyani and gurmukh are not the same avastas of the mind, guru granth sahib ji clearly outlines each place a sant does his assan, a sadhu a bhagt and a brahamgyani...as for gurmukh that mind can go anywhere it wishes on any assan: gurmukh avi javi na sung gurmukh gadi raa chilahi. my logic is not that of the rada swami, i didnt say we needed a human guide - the jugtis are already within guru granth sahib for example, we read one jugti everyday in anand sahib: vaaja paun vijia nau dwari parghat keei dasma gupt rikhya.

I did say we needed guru granth sahib ji to meet vaheguru. But not in the context that a person can just read bani like a parrot (25 jap ji sahibs etc etc) and meet god like that. I was talking in the sense of khoj, u read bani like a khoji you are trying to find out where ur from, how were you made, why are you here and how to get back to ur true home, nijghar...guru sahib even says 'pooch chalo gur apni'

As for the kirtan being the highest bhagti...bhagti starts at chautha paad not in trigun and then when u do kirtan at a certain assan, ill let u do the khoj for that assan, vaheguru himself comes to listen.

heres the address:

Prabh Milne Ka Chaho Gurudwara

Dixion street

SWINDON

SN1 3PL

there will be a programme this sunday at 10am

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- the jugtis are already within guru granth sahib

That is what i wanted to hear. And i am not argueing with you. Naam Simran is a MUST because Gurbani says so. Once Baba Isher Singh Ji Nanaksar Wale was listening to Kirtan. They said keep it up, but the Ragis said back that you must be tired by now, shall we stop. And Baba Ji said that you lot will get tired doing it, but we won't get tired listening to it. Kirtan is not just the sound of a tabla or the vaja but it is really the Ustat of Waheguru.

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firstly sant sadhu bhagt brahamgyani and gurmukh are not the same avastas of the mind, guru granth sahib ji clearly outlines each place a sant does his assan, a sadhu a bhagt and a brahamgyani...as for gurmukh that mind can go anywhere it wishes on any assan: gurmukh avi javi na sung gurmukh gadi raa chilahi. my logic is not that of the rada swami, i didnt say we needed a human guide - the jugtis are already within guru granth sahib for example, we read one jugti everyday in anand sahib: vaaja paun vijia nau dwari parghat keei dasma gupt rikhya.

I did say we needed guru granth sahib ji to meet vaheguru. But not in the context that a person can just read bani like a parrot (25 jap ji sahibs etc etc) and meet god like that. I was talking in the sense of khoj, u read bani like a khoji you are trying to find out where ur from, how were you made, why are you here and how to get back to ur true home, nijghar...guru sahib even says 'pooch chalo gur apni'

As for the kirtan being the highest bhagti...bhagti starts at chautha paad not in trigun and then when u do kirtan at a certain assan, ill let u do the khoj for that assan, vaheguru himself comes to listen.

heres the address:

Prabh Milne Ka Chaho Gurudwara

Dixion street

SWINDON

SN1 3PL

there will be a programme this sunday at 10am

ummm you are preaching Yog Matt again but good luck in your Simran.

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this will be my last post on the parachar going on at swindon as the vichaar here is drifting to dhaat rasta and that is something we all want to avoid. im not sure what part of my post you claim to be is yog/jog matt, i think your abit confused as to what yog/jog matt is. But at the end of the day those he awakens cant be put to sleep those he puts to sleep cant be woken, those he awakens will endure this akath katha russ: jisi jigavi peeavi eho raas akath katha tehin juni.

any1 that wants to knw this marg, to walk on liv da rasta, pass this bhav sagar and go back to ur true home and meet vaheguru then please do come down to swindon and learn wot our guru is teaching us practically.

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sants duty: avao sant pyairo katho akath kathni.

our duty: poocho santo mera thakur kaasa

gl to all and hopefully we will all go back to our mool

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

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