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firstly jog means to join...guru granth sahib jis bani joins us to vaheguru. If you are referring to the yogis who would take there breathes up to the 10sm dwaar yes you are correct guru nanak dev jis bhagti is different. the guru teaches us how to get past this trigun, get to sant then sadhu then bhagt then brahamgyani and as per gurbani the highest stage, gurmukh as a gurmukh. just by reading bani you cant meet god, everything is done thur a jugti:

ram ram sabh ko kehi ram khan mehi phed.

at the end of the day in this desh you cant get mukt: trigun saaba dhaat hai par par kari vichaar mukt kiv nah hovi ni paein mauk dwaar.

and bin naami mukt naah bhavi koei bin satgur kau naam na paei prabh assi banat banai hai.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Sant, Sadhu, Brahmgyani, Gurmukh are the same thing, just difference of words. Your logic is very similiar to what the "Radha Soamis" and other sects teach that there is an need for an "human guide". Then are you saying we have to find a "Sant" to get this jugti. You said Guru Granth Sahib joins us to Waheguru, then that is all we need. Out of the 9 types of Bhagti, KIRTAN is uttam bhagti. And yes i meant Yog Matt also called Jog Matt by some. Quoting Gurbani just to meet an certain agenda is not good.

There are attempts being made to bring Sikhi into Yog Matt but kindly read the "SIDH GHAUST".

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Please give me 1 or 2 days b4 i can confirm the programme for this sunday, I will also get the address and post it here. As for the the things you've heard could you please share with the sangat here as to whats been said?

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Bhai sahib came to my house, a while ago, he seems ok. if you have issues then go down and speak to him. . i think some ppl need to grow up, just cus ur jatha dsnt agree with sumit, there no need to reject it alltogether. . . from what i know the simran etc is good, katha is good. its about actually doing it... and seeing results.

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firstly sant sadhu bhagt brahamgyani and gurmukh are not the same avastas of the mind, guru granth sahib ji clearly outlines each place a sant does his assan, a sadhu a bhagt and a brahamgyani...as for gurmukh that mind can go anywhere it wishes on any assan: gurmukh avi javi na sung gurmukh gadi raa chilahi. my logic is not that of the rada swami, i didnt say we needed a human guide - the jugtis are already within guru granth sahib for example, we read one jugti everyday in anand sahib: vaaja paun vijia nau dwari parghat keei dasma gupt rikhya.

I did say we needed guru granth sahib ji to meet vaheguru. But not in the context that a person can just read bani like a parrot (25 jap ji sahibs etc etc) and meet god like that. I was talking in the sense of khoj, u read bani like a khoji you are trying to find out where ur from, how were you made, why are you here and how to get back to ur true home, nijghar...guru sahib even says 'pooch chalo gur apni'

As for the kirtan being the highest bhagti...bhagti starts at chautha paad not in trigun and then when u do kirtan at a certain assan, ill let u do the khoj for that assan, vaheguru himself comes to listen.

heres the address:

Prabh Milne Ka Chaho Gurudwara

Dixion street

SWINDON

SN1 3PL

there will be a programme this sunday at 10am

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- the jugtis are already within guru granth sahib

That is what i wanted to hear. And i am not argueing with you. Naam Simran is a MUST because Gurbani says so. Once Baba Isher Singh Ji Nanaksar Wale was listening to Kirtan. They said keep it up, but the Ragis said back that you must be tired by now, shall we stop. And Baba Ji said that you lot will get tired doing it, but we won't get tired listening to it. Kirtan is not just the sound of a tabla or the vaja but it is really the Ustat of Waheguru.

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firstly sant sadhu bhagt brahamgyani and gurmukh are not the same avastas of the mind, guru granth sahib ji clearly outlines each place a sant does his assan, a sadhu a bhagt and a brahamgyani...as for gurmukh that mind can go anywhere it wishes on any assan: gurmukh avi javi na sung gurmukh gadi raa chilahi. my logic is not that of the rada swami, i didnt say we needed a human guide - the jugtis are already within guru granth sahib for example, we read one jugti everyday in anand sahib: vaaja paun vijia nau dwari parghat keei dasma gupt rikhya.

I did say we needed guru granth sahib ji to meet vaheguru. But not in the context that a person can just read bani like a parrot (25 jap ji sahibs etc etc) and meet god like that. I was talking in the sense of khoj, u read bani like a khoji you are trying to find out where ur from, how were you made, why are you here and how to get back to ur true home, nijghar...guru sahib even says 'pooch chalo gur apni'

As for the kirtan being the highest bhagti...bhagti starts at chautha paad not in trigun and then when u do kirtan at a certain assan, ill let u do the khoj for that assan, vaheguru himself comes to listen.

heres the address:

Prabh Milne Ka Chaho Gurudwara

Dixion street

SWINDON

SN1 3PL

there will be a programme this sunday at 10am

ummm you are preaching Yog Matt again but good luck in your Simran.

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this will be my last post on the parachar going on at swindon as the vichaar here is drifting to dhaat rasta and that is something we all want to avoid. im not sure what part of my post you claim to be is yog/jog matt, i think your abit confused as to what yog/jog matt is. But at the end of the day those he awakens cant be put to sleep those he puts to sleep cant be woken, those he awakens will endure this akath katha russ: jisi jigavi peeavi eho raas akath katha tehin juni.

any1 that wants to knw this marg, to walk on liv da rasta, pass this bhav sagar and go back to ur true home and meet vaheguru then please do come down to swindon and learn wot our guru is teaching us practically.

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sants duty: avao sant pyairo katho akath kathni.

our duty: poocho santo mera thakur kaasa

gl to all and hopefully we will all go back to our mool

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

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khalsa ji, you said you would talk to bhai ajit singh after. i hope you did so you can give both sides...

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Sounds to me like they don't know how to do swas swas simran properly, probably too fast and improper breathing, and are hyperventilating very heavily which is causing the fits.

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By the Gurdwara's name and the guest chatting about stages leading to the "Nij Ghar" and some "Anhad Sabd" i knew this was a cult like the Radha soami people. Only their Baba knows this secret LOL this is why they talk about these stages.

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gurfateh, lets address the issues presented here:

Ok, so today I went to Swindon and saw with my own eyes that all rumours I have heard are 100% true. This place has mahraj's parkash but does not feel like a gurdwara but more like a cult.

^^why did it feel like a cult? because the sangat have been together for 3+ years and we all know each other and treat other each as family?

In the sangat there are many people some lying down on the floor with their feet facing towards mahraj making groaning sounds and crying etc. The prgrammes basically consists of katha and saas girass simran. At first everything seems fine (although I did think it was a bit strange for ppl to be lying down in the gurdwara)

^^ ppl lying down on the floor have gone into sehaj/sunn there bodies are dead but there minds are awake. bhai ajit singh did explain this openly but you failed to include this in your analysis.

Then some ppl start going crazy and I don't mean like in josh or anand, they literally look like they are having a epileptic fit.

^^ No, we aren't going crazy we are passing through the tats (elements) of the body causing shaking, we do not feel any pain infact we feel anand but when we are being broken it causes us to cry as the shabad is taking us home but we are being stopped. I am stressing the 'we' because i speak from practical experience. oh and believe me it can take alot more then 3 singhs to break the shabad.

After the simran the katha began this basically consisted of Ajit Singh saying that to open ur dasam duaar is very easy and all you need is the right jugti.

^^

jugtis are only given to those who do the practical.

Basically these ppl are brainwashed by him. Although he cunningly doesn't call himself a baba, he is as bad as the worst pakhandis out there. He makes the sangat believe that brahmgian is just around the corner and the way to reach it is by coming to the programmes and getting the jugti from him.

I can totally understand why sangat are so hooked they go there with the hope of getting naam.

^^ naam is only given by the satguru not by bhai ajit singh, this was explained in the diwan 'bin nami mukt na bhavi koi bin

satgur ko naam na pai' I fail to see how he is a pakandi or baba? did he ask for money? were ppl touching his feet?? Please explain the baba aspect.

they totally ignore the fits, they ignore the ppl that are lying on the floor with their feet facing towards maharaj v.disrespectful imho (I think these ppl are suppossed to have reached some high avastha and are in total anand hence the lying down in bliss LOL.gif ) Also they leave these ppl lying down through the ardas?! If they can't even get this sort of basic maryada right how can they even dream of brahmgian?

^^ again, those that have died through the shabad and gone to the dasam dwaar or at least the 5th taat are trying to smaah, this was explained in the akath katha on how to pass the 5 tats, this stops after a short while, shame, and you get even more anand as you start to leave this body - again from practical no just hear say.

Why didnt you confront bhai ajit singh of these issues like you said you would? He openly said has anyone got any questions.

I can tell you from practical experience that me and my friends have been going for nearly 2 years...and since we have been going we have started drinking amrit, passed thru the 5 tats, my granddad has been going to 6months and he has shabads and amrit rass...i could go on but ive addressed every point here, this singh doesn't know what is happening, he doesnt knw the anand we experience when we experiencing the shaking/fits. Why don't you come again and address your questions to bhai ajit singh and he will be happy to answer them openly in the sangat.

you claim to be part of the khalsa panth yet you havent even gone into his desh.

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