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Munjoth,

Why is it that Bhai Ajit Singh has a monopoly on all these methods and Jugtis that cause this shaking, fits, crying on the floor?

Why is it that no other Gurmukhs, Sants or Mahapurakhs from various Sampradas and Jathebandia such as Nanaksar, Nihang Singhs, Taksal, Akhand Kirtani Jatha talk about these types of stages? For what reason is it that it is only in Swindon that all these things go on whilst thousands of Gurmukhs worldwide have reached high states through Bhagti done with Sehaj rather than convulsing and shaking?

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Why is it that Bhai Ajit Singh has a monopoly on all these methods

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He doesnt have a monopoly on all the jugtis, they are all daarj within guru granth sahib ji - If you want to khoj your self ofc your welcome to and find them your self. If you want to ask bhai ajit singh then he will tell you where in bani the jugti comes from and explain it to you, either way its up to you. The reason I am not explaining the jugtis is because, as stated before, i am still a learner, and doing the practical - where as bhai ajit singh has done the practical and is now explaining to others what jugtis our guru is teaching us to get out this bhav sagar.

that cause this shaking, fits, crying on the floor?

^^ you've very cleverly manipulated my previous posts and stated something that i did not say. ive explained there not 'fits', the crying is viraag as the shabad surat is broken - when you are going back to vaheguru and some1 stops you, wouldnt you cry? and the floor bit, when you leave your sareer your going into sunn, so basically your sareer is 'sleep' or 'dead' and your mind is woken up, currently we are sleeping in the trigun but thru the gurus shabad our minds can be awoken.

Why is it that no other Gurmukhs, Sants or Mahapurakhs from various Sampradas and Jathebandia such as Nanaksar, Nihang Singhs, Taksal, Akhand Kirtani Jatha talk about these types of stages?

^^ I don't know about that and Im also not sure what you mean about 'these types of stages.' But what i can tell you is that this akath katha has been done at historic gurdwaras in india and at the thakats by bhai sewa singh tarmala. this parachaar is also happening at other parts in the world.

For what reason is it that it is only in Swindon that all these things go on whilst thousands of Gurmukhs worldwide have reached high states through Bhagti done with Sehaj rather than convulsing and shaking?

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You are presenting the swindon gurdwara as a cult or dera or something similar. This is not the case, this akath katha was done by our gurus, our prataan singhs, but until now had gone gupt and was started again by bhai sewa singh tarmala, he started this parchaar in india. As explained before the 'shaking' is just a jeev passing through the tats, as the singh who came down on sunday saw for himself only the gurmanter was being japped.

But i have a question for you. your referring to other gurmukhs, how do you know that they are gurmukhs? Do you know who the guru calls a gurmukh? Do you know who bani calls a sant? A mahapurkh?

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All I'm gonna say is that anyone who thinks that this place is right for them and inline with gurmat then fine so be it. I said that I would go and look and give my opinion and I have the place in my opinion has a eerie strange cult like feeling.

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everyone is entitled to there opinions, i think you should of spoken to bhai ajit singh and he would of explained each and every point in detail - if you felt intimidated then you should of come to programmes held at havlok and spoken to bhai ajit singh there.

So I can understand why the topic starter was upset with their family belonging to such a cult.

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Im not sure why you refer to the gurdwara as a cult, a cult would be a group or a jatha; Our guru teaches us there are no groups and we all belong to saach, you ur self was there when bhai ajit singh stated that our guru breaks us away from the caste system yet we jump right back into it.

My suggestion to the topic starter is that they try to explain to their family that the strange things that go on at this place are not naam and certainly not within gurmat.

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I will ask the topic starter to come on this board and reply to this topic, you are saying this is not 'naam'; Do you yourself know what naam is as per guru granth sahibs teaching? You yourself had been stating that you do no naam abhyaas yet you are judging the sangat where every1 has been doing abhyaas for 2/3years.

Also try to take them to panthic programmes instead.

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As stated before these programmes have been carried out at panthic gurdwaras in india by bhai sewa singh tarmala.

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exactly, bhai seva singh is well respected in the panth, and bhai ajit singh has learnt and teaches the same gurmat as bhai seva singh, who has backed everything up with gurbani.

munjoth pls explain about the amrit sanchar that started last april, and should be happening every year with guru jis kirpa. what level u have to be and what the punj pyare do, and pls also include how many went there for amrit and how only 88 were accepeted as they reached the right level, (punj shabadh, amrit russ and etc)

anyway hopefully munjoth will explain that. my point is that bhai ajit singh was one of the punj pyara there and was actually the jathedaar of the panj pyare. u dont realise what nindha you have done of a gurmukh like bhai ajit singh.

anyway hope u enjoyed the simran "khalsa" instead of looking around too much. p.s. bhai ajit singh would never hurt u, even if u swore at him, so there was no need to be scared. but u seem narrow minded and had already decided what u were going to make of the programme.

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"I will ask the topic starter to come on this board and reply to this topic, you are saying this is not 'naam'; Do you yourself know what naam is as per guru granth sahibs teaching? You yourself had been stating that you do no naam abhyaas yet you are judging the sangat where every1 has been doing abhyaas for 2/3years."

Just because the singh said he does no naam abhiyaas doesn't mean that this is the case for all you know he might japp naam for 4-5 hours a day. It is common not to talk about how much simran you do. In fact every singh I know downplays how much they do. These are just some of the characteristics of a gursikh. Not everyone comes onto the internet like yourself and boasts about their 'high' avashta and looks down on others. All panthic jathebandiya teach that naam is private maybe your baba should start teaching you a thing or two about nirmata and how to fight the panj chorr. If you had any kamai to begin with you would know that your ahkaar is stealing it.

I know nothing about this place but after reading your post munjoth I just felt someone needed to bring you down to earth a little.

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If this akath katha is so vital for sikhs on the gurus path, why doesn't ajit singh do a tour of the uk and other places to teach the right way, ppl should be allowed to make their own decisions and take away what they need. I'm alwaya suspicious of individuals who try and monopolies knowledge.....bcus kbowledge is power...and power in the wrong hands is dangerous.....

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should make a dvd or write a book about the jugatis to enable wide coverage so the method can be critically evaluated by all who have an interest or a learned in the subject

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hmmmm i thought we get NAAM and jugti from panj pyarey etc. But i checked out their site and bhai sahib is an amritdhari and since they do abhyaas on waheguru sabd i say it's fine. Even though the intention may not be, but some time these things slowly turn into some sort of cult.

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