Politics And Religion- Cut Hair

[JiwanSingh7072]

Veerji,

There is a similar situation in one of the books, Dr.Gurbaksh Singh Ji has written. He talks about a man not wanting to take amrit because the others that have taken amrit are corrupt, do not to paatth, or main sikhi saroop. He thinks it ruins it for the people that are truly sikhs at heart. Dr Sahib's reply to the gentleman is, "Take amrit and be a leader and role model for those people. If people are seen by other members of the sangat as not following our Guruji's hukam, then you will be seen as the one following it, if you maintain your sikhi saroop and amrit." Just a little something.

Thank You!

- Jiwanjot Singh

PS;

Lets not get into an argument about nails and hair. Its a whole different thing.

when you cut your hair its gona grow back anyone have u ever thought that maybe theres a reason behind that? maybe your not supposed to cut it?

Same could be said for nails?

Q: Why Sikhs do not cut their hair but they cut their nails?

A: It is often argued that hair and nails are similar, but even a superficial study of the two shows them to be extremely different from each other. Hair is not a hindrance to anyone. Because hair can be placed in a bun and kept clean and does perform a number of functions, it is only pragmatic to realize that hair is not bad. On the other hand, nails are an important part of the human body, having long nails is a hindrance to the body. An individual with long nails cannot functions and do everyday chores comfortably. In order to ensure that one can perform the tasks of everyday life, nails are trimmed.

In addition, whereas the hair grows from a tubular pit (hair follicle), formed by sinking in of the most actively dividing layer of the skin (stratum germinativum) into the lower dermis, the nails are only modifications of the upper dead layers of the skin (stratum corneum). Further, the base of every follicle bulges out forming an inverted cup, which receives blood capillaries for nourishment and nerve fibers to make the hair sensitive. An oil gland, known as sebaceous gland, opens into every hair follicle, the secretion of which lubricates the hair. A muscle is also attached to the base of every hair for bringing about movement. Pigments are added to the shaft of the hair as it grows. None of these features is associated with the nails.

Structurally also, hair is extremely strong, and resists breaking due to its elasticity and flexibility. Strength of hair can be estimated from the following facts, a human hair laid on a bar of steel and then passed through a cold rolling mill would leave an imprint on the face of the steel. A hair of a man’s beard is about as strong as a copper wire of the same dimensions. If a rope were made out of strands of long hair, it would be strong enough to lift an automobile. Nails, on the other hand, are very brittle and rigid, breaking off easily. Hair are countless (upto 1,25,000 on head region alone), thereby increasing the surface area, as if to meet a specific requirement.

The differences between the two do not end with the structural features. Even the body’s response towards the two is totally different. Our body, throughout life, tries to maintain a particular length of hair. And if the hair is cut anywhere, the body responds by growing it again to the specific length. It clearly indicates the link of the body with the hair all along its length. The body shows no such response to the nails, which grow from birth to death at the same rate, irrespective of whether cut or not. It follows, thus, that cutting of nails does not tell on the body at all, whereas, cutting of hair puts extra load on the body. To sum up, if there is anything on the head that can be compared with the nails, it is dandruff!

Nature knows best what to discard or retain. Whatever is retained is not without purpose. Hair is a gift from God, not a burden. Guru Gobind Singh Ji, in his infinite wisdom, commanded us to respect hair and refrain from tampering with it. This is the visible token of his affection for us, as well as our faith in him.

OK, but I was just saying if you gave the answer you initially gave to me on the street, I would have probably brought up nails. You might have have had five paragraphs of Scientific talk handy to back it up so fast.

I keep hair cos our Gurus asked us to simple as that if they asked me to keep ma nails i would have done that toooo!!!!

S.crew all the scientific reasons and the personal reasons.!

VJKK VJKF!!!

i was only giving an example thats it

xkaurx - yes they are structurally and physiologically different. So what?

That still doens't say why, from a theological view - why did the Gurus say it's not ok to cut hair but didn't mention nails.

Yes they are different - but the arguement is still valid - if we keep kes to respect the will of God, how is keeping nails any different. Just like kes, nails will grow back - I don't think the Guru's cared if the hair grows from the hair follicle, or that it is extremely strong and flexible - and nails are brittle.

It does not matter. Theologically it doesn't make sense, if we say that Sikhs keep hair because they "take care of what God has blessed them with." Because the same argument can be applied with nails. They are different - but they are, just like hair, another part of the body.

Also I believe that the argument that the growth of hair is effected by cutting it has be refuted. But I could be wrong.

[anom7]

dont evr forget who u are

once u forget the physical idenity, u can be lost amongst the crowd

i dunt kno y guru je said keep ure hair, im not guru je

if u ever get a chance to talk to them perosnally, u must have done a lot of bhagthi

but some reasons y i think it is important for us to keep our hair

we cant forget who wea re. our ideinty makes us stand out and not let us forgt who we are

if we startt cutting it, we have more of a chance of forgetting where we come from

im not saying monai are sikhs at all, they same as any person who keep their hair

but an effot shud be made, i mean our religion is filled with sacrafice

we have an extremly rich cultuire, and i love our religion

no history can match what has happened in sikhi

we werent meant to blend inthe crowd, we have the proudest history, y shdunt we stick out

[The_Perfect_Student]

singh2k1, i agree with you 100% bruv. i believe the same, keeping the hair has nothing to do with spirituality. I see people keep their beards and hair and all they do is slander, so you think they gonna be saved? People will always give you foolish reasons to back themselves and their beliefs up. For example meat eaters will say plants are living things as well so if you can eat plants you can eat meat too. people will say "when you shave your hair comes back, it comes back for a reason, there is no reason, it is just hormones, you could say when you cut grass, it grows back too, so we shouldnt cut that too. people will say "hair is under his hukam, if thats the case, nails are under the hukam too dont cut them either.

You listen to your heart and follow it bruv. You follow your heart, you will automatically do guru ji's hukam. bruv as long as you do your simran on 1 GOD, do selfless service, practice beating the 5 evils and practicing truthful deeds, you are good to go.

naked come naked go, this body, hair nothing will go with you at the end. only your deeds and karams will bro. so dont listen to others, follow your heart and become truthful.

if hairs were that important, then why didnt guru ji tell us through SGGS ji? guru ji have only told us, serve the true guru, beat the 5 evils, become lowest of the low, do seva, remember god at all times. if you do all of that, you shall be ferried accross. theres nothing mentioned about 5 ks in sggs. everything is inside you, if you can beat your mind, you defeat the world...man jeettay jag jeet.

wot i personnaly think about 5 ks, is a good way for discipline. because since we live in kalyug, if we keep beard, hair we will get less attention from the girls, and that way it will help us to avoid from ego and lust. but at the end of the day, its all in your brain, if you dont defeat them internally, no outside compliance can do anything for you.

people say, you are not guru gobind singh ji khalsa if you cut your hair. i dont belive that, i believe if you become truthful person, without hate, single vision, humble, you are true khalsa. then you should call yourself true gursikh.

If you surrender yourself to the guru, give your body, mind, wealth to the guru, follow gurus instruction then you are gursikh. you dont need no hair to become gursikh. if thats the case, i know people that are bald but they are one with God. does that make them impure???

and 1 more thing,

people that think sikhs in guru ji times died for hair, then you are wrong.

they died for the truth, because that was the hukam. they become shaheed under the hukam.

[NIHANG_AK47]

i love how every1 thinks there right and never wrong

[xkaurx]

singh2k1, i agree with you 100% bruv. i believe the same, keeping the hair has nothing to do with spirituality. I see people keep their beards and hair and all they do is slander, so you think they gonna be saved? People will always give you foolish reasons to back themselves and their beliefs up. For example meat eaters will say plants are living things as well so if you can eat plants you can eat meat too. people will say "when you shave your hair comes back, it comes back for a reason, there is no reason, it is just hormones, you could say when you cut grass, it grows back too, so we shouldnt cut that too. people will say "hair is under his hukam, if thats the case, nails are under the hukam too dont cut them either.

You listen to your heart and follow it bruv. You follow your heart, you will automatically do guru ji's hukam. bruv as long as you do your simran on 1 GOD, do selfless service, practice beating the 5 evils and practicing truthful deeds, you are good to go.

naked come naked go, this body, hair nothing will go with you at the end. only your deeds and karams will bro. so dont listen to others, follow your heart and become truthful.

if hairs were that important, then why didnt guru ji tell us through SGGS ji? guru ji have only told us, serve the true guru, beat the 5 evils, become lowest of the low, do seva, remember god at all times. if you do all of that, you shall be ferried accross. theres nothing mentioned about 5 ks in sggs. everything is inside you, if you can beat your mind, you defeat the world...man jeettay jag jeet.

wot i personnaly think about 5 ks, is a good way for discipline. because since we live in kalyug, if we keep beard, hair we will get less attention from the girls, and that way it will help us to avoid from ego and lust. but at the end of the day, its all in your brain, if you dont defeat them internally, no outside compliance can do anything for you.

people say, you are not guru gobind singh ji khalsa if you cut your hair. i dont belive that, i believe if you become truthful person, without hate, single vision, humble, you are true khalsa. then you should call yourself true gursikh.

If you surrender yourself to the guru, give your body, mind, wealth to the guru, follow gurus instruction then you are gursikh. you dont need no hair to become gursikh. if thats the case, i know people that are bald but they are one with God. does that make them impure???

and 1 more thing,

people that think sikhs in guru ji times died for hair, then you are wrong.

they died for the truth, because that was the hukam. they become shaheed under the hukam.

LOLLL what bakwaaaaas!!!!!! you trying to tell me that guru gobind singh jis wrong? i cant believe you had the nerve to say all that it just sounds like your making excuses, if you wana be a sheep then so be it but if you think going against the gurus word is how your gona reach god then your dilusional

[Hardeep__singh]

singh2k1, i agree with you 100% bruv. i believe the same, keeping the hair has nothing to do with spirituality. I see people keep their beards and hair and all they do is slander, so you think they gonna be saved? People will always give you foolish reasons to back themselves and their beliefs up. For example meat eaters will say plants are living things as well so if you can eat plants you can eat meat too. people will say "when you shave your hair comes back, it comes back for a reason, there is no reason, it is just hormones, you could say when you cut grass, it grows back too, so we shouldnt cut that too. people will say "hair is under his hukam, if thats the case, nails are under the hukam too dont cut them either.

You listen to your heart and follow it bruv. You follow your heart, you will automatically do guru ji's hukam. bruv as long as you do your simran on 1 GOD, do selfless service, practice beating the 5 evils and practicing truthful deeds, you are good to go.

naked come naked go, this body, hair nothing will go with you at the end. only your deeds and karams will bro. so dont listen to others, follow your heart and become truthful.

if hairs were that important, then why didnt guru ji tell us through SGGS ji? guru ji have only told us, serve the true guru, beat the 5 evils, become lowest of the low, do seva, remember god at all times. if you do all of that, you shall be ferried accross. theres nothing mentioned about 5 ks in sggs. everything is inside you, if you can beat your mind, you defeat the world...man jeettay jag jeet.

wot i personnaly think about 5 ks, is a good way for discipline. because since we live in kalyug, if we keep beard, hair we will get less attention from the girls, and that way it will help us to avoid from ego and lust. but at the end of the day, its all in your brain, if you dont defeat them internally, no outside compliance can do anything for you.

people say, you are not guru gobind singh ji khalsa if you cut your hair. i dont belive that, i believe if you become truthful person, without hate, single vision, humble, you are true khalsa. then you should call yourself true gursikh.

If you surrender yourself to the guru, give your body, mind, wealth to the guru, follow gurus instruction then you are gursikh. you dont need no hair to become gursikh. if thats the case, i know people that are bald but they are one with God. does that make them impure???

and 1 more thing,

people that think sikhs in guru ji times died for hair, then you are wrong.

they died for the truth, because that was the hukam. they become shaheed under the hukam.

lol, going against Guru Jis hukam, which is biggest paap, even I am guilty of it, but I don't say its right to go against Guru Ji hukam, I am a paapi, we can learn from this story:

Dhan Guru Ramdas Sahib jee was doing kaar-sewa of sarovar at Siri Harmandir Sahib - Siri Amritsar Sahib. A lot of sangat used to do sewa in digging the sarovar and doing other kind of sewa. Soma Arora used to to sell ghunganiyaan (a kind of snack) to residents of Siri Amritsar Sahib and this way made his living.

One day in the evening Guru Sahib saw him and asked him how much vattee (profit) he had made. He came over to Guru Sahib and did matha tek and with extreme humility answered Guru Sahib. Guru Sahib asked him to hand over his all day’s earnings. Soma did not hesitate for a bit and placed all he had at the charan of Dhan Guru Ramdas Sache Paatshah jee.

Soma was a very poor person and met his ends with great difficulty. Second day too, Guru Sahib asked him how much he had earned and asked him to give all his earnings to him. Guru Sahib kept doing this for 5 days. Soma who was always broke, did not have any doubts on Guru Sahib. He trusted Guru Sahib one hundred percent and believed that Guru Sahib knows better.

On the sixth day, Soma saw Guru Sahib at the Sarovar looking at the sangat doing sewa, with full Kirpa-Drishtee (gaze of grace). This time Soma did not wait for Guru Sahib to ask for the money but he came, matha tekked Guru Sahib and placed all his earning at the lotus feet of Guru Sahib. Guru Sahib, who was only testing Soma, was extremely pleased at Soma and said, "Ajj asee laina nahi, kuchh dena hai. Ajj taun tu Soma nahi, Soma Shah hoiya" (Shah means very rich person).

Guru Sahib’s bachan of calling Soma, Soma Shah, forced the abundant force of Vaheguru’s power to come in action. Within days Soma became a shah. He became a shah of not only money but also of Naam.

This is a great saakhi and we can learn a lot from this. We all know that all that we have has been given to us by Satguru but yet when it is our turn to do some sewa or give back something to Guru Sahib or his panth, we find thousand reasons not to do so. We become selfish. May Guru Sahib give us the wisdom of Bhai Soma Shah.

Also I like to add, if you have views like that, then I think you do think that Bhai Taru Singh Ji and many other Gurusikhs were a joke, for telling the torturers to take their scalp off instead of their hair, oh yeah, he did it for the truth, no he did it because he wanted to obey Guru Ji's hukam and stay within Sikhi.

[Guest peacemaker]

if we keep beard, hair we will get less attention from the girls.

Speak for yourself, student! If you're good looking, it doesn't even matter what you have on your face or head. Besides, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so everyone looks good. Beard or no beard. A full head of hair or bald!

Think of yourself as the most handsome man on this earth. It is all about self confidence. Remember, Singh is KING! Word up, my man!

[akitosforever]

well lets just end this, in life you learn from your mistakes, without mistakes there wouldn't be anything to learn.

fateh

First of all, you had said you respect the religion, if you respected Sikhi, then obviously you would have kept your hair, this isn't respect, its being arrogant towards your religion.

Secondly, why do the mistake in first place and that knowingly and with intentions, if I said to a little toddler DO NOT TOUCH THE IRON IT IS HOT and he does it, then he burns himself. Again, by you doing this mistake, you will loose your respect as a SIKH not human, but a SIKH and loose your identify, anyone can say you are a muslim or a hindu, which isnt a bad thing, and my attentions are not bad about other faiths, but I totally disagree with your mentality about respecting and being a sikh from heart, if it was, you would keep your hair, full stop!

Equally anyone who has the appearance and goes against other acts of Sikhi, is disrespecting the religion, i.e. the guy I found walking with a big beard and smoking, hes the guy who would say yeh but I respect the religion, yeh right pull the wool over my eyes.

I aint no better, I do trim my beard, I disrespect my religion on one point and many others, I need a slap, but I respect others.

Hey Bruv....

Glad to hear ur realization and respect for sikhi.

Even I was in the same boat of trimmin the beard long time ago.......then i just stopped.

Man it is dat simple ....just dont do it for a week unconditionally, u wont feel like fudging it again.

Trust me whn u stop doin it u will so much confident in ur Walk wid family n frenz ...just carry urself wid confidence.

Once u have untrimmed beard and kes, it will inspire u more towards being more devout ...

Just try it for a week man....

Nywz sorry if u felt i was preachin or stuf....it is just that it will make U feel better.

Fateh