Tuk From Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

[naam simran]

wjkk wjkf...can any1 give me the tuk from sri guru granth sahib ji where it is writte about not to eat meat..thank you...

[Guest Papi]

there isnt any. as far as i know :D

[king singh]

there isnt any. as far as i know :D

OMGG if papi cant find a quote no one can

[naam simran]

u mean there is no tuk in sri guru granth sahib ji that sikhs r nt allowed to eat meat?????????????

[Akritghan]

If you have a copy of the Amrit Keertan Pothee, you may want to turn to the pages from 656 to 659 and you will see their shabads by Bhagat Kabir Ji, Bhai Gurdas Ji as well as well as Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Guru Arjan Dev ji, which are depicting "sab jeean te deya karnee". (Have compassion for all living things)

Here are a few sloks which outrightly prohibits meat comsumption.

Kabeer jeea ju maraih jor kar, kaihte hai jo halaal

daftar daee jab kaaDh hai, hoigaa koan havaal.//199// (1375.G.G.S.)

Sayeth Kabir, sayeth thou by "forcefully" killing living beings, Halaal.

When in God's house, your accounts be taken, what will then there happen to you!

Kabeer jor keeaa su julam hai, lay-e jabaab khudaae

daftar lekhaa neeksai, maar muhai muh khaae.//200// (1375)

Sayeth Kabir, using force is unlawful, God shall question this.

when your accounts will be opened, you shall reap on your face a God's wrath.

Bed Kateb kahaih mat jhootey, jhootaa jo naa bichaarai,

jo sabh mai ek khudaae kahait ho, tio kio murgee marai?! (1350)

Do not say that the vedas are false, false are those who do not reflect.

If in all is one God, then why does one kill the hen!

Kabeer bhang mashalee suraapaan, jo jo pranee khaan-he

teerath barat neym kee-ey, te sabh rasaatal jaan-he (1377)

suraapaan=alcohol rasaatal=below hell, underground.

Those people who drink bhang, eat fish, drink alcohol,

and do ritual bathing, keep fast, all shall be burried underground.

Kabeer khoob khaanaa kheecharee, jaa mai amrit loon,

heyraa rotee kaarney, galaa kataavai kaon! (1378)

heyraa=meat by hunting

Sayeth Kabir, that the best food is eating, kichree=dals where nectar-sweet is the salt.

You eat hunted meat, but which animal is willing to have their head cut?!

Jeea badh-hu su dharam kar thaaphu, adharam kaih-hu kat bhaaee.

Aapas kao munivar kar thaphu, ka kao kaih-hu kaasaaee? (1102-1103)

munivar-saintly people kaasaaee-butchers badh-hu=killing

On killing animals you have created your religion (the path of righteousness),

then my brother what do we say is not religion (righteousness?)

You call yourself, saintly people, then who do we call butchers?!

There are many more as well by Bhai Gurdas ji,

// 31 pouRee 9

je kasaaee udhariaa, jeea ghaae na khaaeeaa bhungaa.

Just because the Guru has saved the butcher,

that does not mean that we should kill animals and eat them.

(Need to read the whole // to understand the first half of my statement!)

Guru Arjan Dev Ji says, Pg 201

Bed PaRai mukh meeTee BaNee, Jeean kuhat na sangai praaNee.

sangai=ashamed kuhat-kill praaNee-humans Jeean-living beings

After reading the entire shabad, this line depicts, that the so called learned, saintly people read the sweet hymns of the Veds using their mouths, however they do not hesitate(feel ashamed) to kill animals.

"If you say that God resides in all, why do you kill a hen?" (ang.1375)

"It is foolish to kill animals by cruelty and call it sanctified food." (ang. 1375)

"You kill life and call it an act of religion. Then what is irreligion?" (ang. 1103).

Undoubtedly, animal food is largely used for satisfying the human palate. To eat meat only for the satisfaction of one's taste or appetite is not good. Kabir says, "You keep fasts in order to become acceptable to God, but kill a living animal for your relish." (ang.483). This refers to the eating of meat by Muslims after breaking the religious fast.

Guru Amardas says:

"Those who take dirty food increase their filth;

such filth causes sorrow to the egocentric person." (p.121)

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[naam simran]

so nw ppl cant say that it is not written in sri guru granth sahib ji...

[Fearless khalsa]

jIA bDhu su Drmu kir Qwphu ADrmu khhu kq BweI ]

Jee Badho So Dharam kar Thapo adharam kahaho kat bhai

Awps kau muinvr kir Qwphu kw kau khhu ksweI ]2]

aapus ko munivur kar thaapuhu kaa ko kehuhu kusaaee

You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action? You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? ||2||

Bhai Gurdas ji said in his vaar 25 paudi 17

sIh pjUqI bkrI mrdI hoeI hV hV hsI]

sIhu puCY ivsmwdu hoie iequ Aausir ikqu rhis rhsI]

ibnau kryNdI bkrI puqR Aswfy kIcin KsI]

Ak DqUrw KwiDAW kuih kuih Kl auKil ivxsI]

mwsu Kwin gl viF kY hwlu iqnwVw kauxu hovsI]

grbu grIbI dyh Kyh Kwju AKwju Akwju krsI]

jig AwieAw sB koie mrsI ]ñ÷]

seeh pujoothee bukuree murudhee hoee hurr hurr husee

seehu pushai visumaadh hoe eith aousar kith rehas rehusee

bino kuraedhee bukuree puthr asaaddae keechan khusee

ak dhuthooraa khaadhiaa kuhi kuhi khul oukhal vinusee

maas khaan gul vat kai haal thinaarraa koun hovusee

gurub gureebee dhaeh khaeh khaaj akhaaj akaaj kurusee

jag aaeiaa subh koe murusee

[sher_panjabi]

Nice articles about Kutthaa and meat on Panthic Weekly:

What is Kutthaa? (Part 1)

What is Kutthaa? (Part 2)

[randip singh]

If you have a copy of the Amrit Keertan Pothee, you may want to turn to the pages from 656 to 659 and you will see their shabads by Bhagat Kabir Ji, Bhai Gurdas Ji as well as well as Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Guru Arjan Dev ji, which are depicting "sab jeean te deya karnee". (Have compassion for all living things)

Here are a few sloks which outrightly prohibits meat comsumption.

Not so…this is Hindu Vaishnav spin. Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is not an a-la-carte menu for what we should and shouldn't eat.

To bring our Guru down to this level is an insult to Bani.

Kabeer jeea ju maraih jor kar, kaihte hai jo halaal

daftar daee jab kaaDh hai, hoigaa koan havaal.//199// (1375.G.G.S.)

Sayeth Kabir, sayeth thou by "forcefully" killing living beings, Halaal.

When in God's house, your accounts be taken, what will then there happen to you!

Kabeer jor keeaa su julam hai, lay-e jabaab khudaae

daftar lekhaa neeksai, maar muhai muh khaae.//200// (1375)

Wrong.

This is nothing to do with meat eating but to do with animal sacrifice or purification rituals ….namely Halaal. Read on:

Here is the entire shabad:

oraa gar paanee bha-i-aa jaa-ay mili-o dhal kool.

kabeeraa Dhoor sakayl kai puree-aa baaNDhee dayh.

divas chaar ko paykhnaa ant khayh kee khayh.

kabeer sooraj chaaNd kai udai bha-ee sabh dayh.

gur gobind kay bin milay palat bha-ee sabh khayh.

jah anbha-o tah bhai nahee jah bha-o tah har naahi.

kahi-o kabeer bichaar kai sant sunhu man maahi.

kabeer jinahu kichhoo jaani-aa nahee tin sukh need bihaa-ay.

hamhu jo boojhaa boojhnaa pooree paree balaa-ay.

laagee chot maramm kee rahi-o kabeeraa tha-ur.

kabeer chot suhaylee sayl kee laagat lay-ay usaas.

chot sahaarai sabad kee taas guroo mai daas.

kabeer mulaaN munaaray ki-aa chadheh saaN-ee na bahraa ho-ay.

jaa kaaran tooN baaNg deh dil hee bheetar jo-ay.

saykh sabooree baahraa ki-aa haj kaabay jaa-ay.

kabeer jaa kee dil saabat nahee taa ka-o kahaaN khudaa-ay.

kabeer alah kee kar bandagee jih simrat dukh jaa-ay.

dil meh saaN-ee pargatai bujhai balantee naaN-ay.

kabeer joree kee-ay julam hai kahtaa naa-o halaal.

daftar laykhaa maaNgee-ai tab ho-igo ka-un havaal.

kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.

hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un.

kabeer gur laagaa tab jaanee-ai mitai moh tan taap.

harakh sog daajhai nahee tab har aapeh aap.

kabeer raam kahan meh bhayd hai taa meh ayk bichaar.

so-ee raam sabhai kaheh so-ee ka-utakhaar.

kabeer raamai raam kaho kahibay maahi bibayk.

ayk anaykeh mil ga-i-aa ayk samaanaa ayk.

kabeer jaa ghar saaDh na sayvee-ah har kee sayvaa naahi.

tay ghar marhat saarkhay bhoot baseh tin maahi.

kabeer goongaa hoo-aa baavraa bahraa hoo-aa kaan.

paavhu tay pingul bha-i-aa maari-aa satgur baan.

kabeer satgur soormay baahi-aa baan jo ayk.

laagat hee bhu-ay gir pari-aa paraa karayjay chhayk.

kabeer nirmal boond akaas kee par ga-ee bhoom bikaar.

The hail-stone has melted into water, and flowed into the ocean.

Kabeer, the body is a pile of dust, collected and packed together.

It is a show which lasts for only a few days, and then dust returns to dust.

Kabeer, bodies are like the rising and setting of the sun and the moon.

Without meeting the Guru, the Lord of the Universe, they are all reduced to dust again.

Where the Fearless Lord is, there is no fear; where there is fear, the Lord is not there.

Kabeer speaks after careful consideration; hear this, O Saints, in your minds.

Kabeer, those who do not know anything, pass their lives in peaceful sleep.

But I have understood the riddle; I am faced with all sorts of troubles.

Struck by the Mystery of God, Kabeer remains silent.

Kabeer, the stroke of a lance is easy to bear; it takes away the breath.

But one who endures the stroke of the Word of the Shabad is the Guru, and I am his slave.

Kabeer: O Mullah, why do you climb to the top of the minaret? The Lord is not hard of hearing.

Look within your own heart for the One, for whose sake you shout your prayers.

Why does the Shaykh bother to go on pilgrimage to Mecca, if he is not content with himself?

Kabeer, one whose heart is not healthy and whole - how can he attain his Lord?

Kabeer, worship the Lord Allah; meditating in remembrance on Him, troubles and pains depart.

The Lord shall be revealed within your own heart, and the burning fire within shall be extinguished by His Name.

Kabeer, to use force is tyranny, even if you call it legal.

When your account is called for in the Court of the Lord, what will your condition be then?

Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt.

Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread?

Kabeer, one is known to have been touched by the Guru, only when his emotional attachment and physical illnesses are eradicated.

He is not burned by pleasure or pain, and so he becomes the Lord Himself.

Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider.

Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord.

Kabeer, use the word 'Raam', only to speak of the All-pervading Lord. You must make that distinction.

One 'Raam' is pervading everywhere, while the other is contained only in himself.

Kabeer, those houses in which neither the Holy nor the Lord are served –

those houses are like cremation grounds; demons dwell within them.

Kabeer, I have become mute, insane and deaf.

I am crippled - the True Guru has pierced me with His Arrow.

Kabeer, the True Guru, the Spiritual Warrior, has shot me with His Arrow.

As soon as it struck me, I fell to the ground, with a hole in my heart.

Kabeer, the pure drop of water falls from the sky, onto the dirty ground.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji

The lines above are translated slightly differently, but put in context the meaning in the same.

This shabad is actually talking about is the hypocrasy and tyranny practiced by Mullahs.

I suggest you study History Khalistani Lioness.

During the time of Kabir Timur/Tarmalane invaded India…………he (Kabir), was a Muslim himself but had very good Hindu friends…………….he witnessed whole sale massacres of Hindu's…………quite frankly he was disgusted with his so called fellow Muslims behaviour. Most of his Shabads attack the Mullah's behaviour.

So now when you read the entire shabad in context it has a totally different meaning.

Sayeth Kabir, using force is unlawful, God shall question this.

when your accounts will be opened, you shall reap on your face a God's wrath.

As for the line :

Kabeer khoob khaanaa kheecharee, jaa mai amrit loon,

heyraa rotee kaarney, galaa kataavai kaon! (1378)

heyraa=meat by hunting

Sayeth Kabir, that the best food is eating, kichree=dals where nectar-sweet is the salt.

You eat hunted meat, but which animal is willing to have their head cut?!

Wrong translation………if you read the above shabad this is out of context. This is more akin to "cutting your nose of to spite your face". It is saying you wouldn't hunt yourself just to eat….so why are you going round killing other people?

The whole shabad is about those people that use force and tyranny against other human beings. Read about the invasion of Timur and put it in context.

Bed Kateb kahaih mat jhootey, jhootaa jo naa bichaarai,

jo sabh mai ek khudaae kahait ho, tio kio murgee marai?! (1350)

Do not say that the vedas are false, false are those who do not reflect.

If in all is one God, then why does one kill the hen!

Wrong and taken out of context again. Bearing in mind Kabir ji attacked Islamic rituals, this is a reference to another Islamic ritual, which is done one Eid. This is when a Goat or Chicken is kept at home by the family for the period of fasting as a member of the family. It is in effect a family member. Then at the end of this period it is offered as an appeasement or sacrifice to God…………..this is to emulate the Prophet Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his only son to God…….at the last minute Abraham was stopped by God because he saw Abraham was willing to do anything for him and a Goat offered in its place.

No read the shabad bearing the above facts in mind:

bayd katayb kahhu mat jhoothay jhoothaa jo na bichaarai.

ja-o sabh meh ayk khudaa-ay kahat ha-o ta-o ki-o murgee maarai.

mulaaN kahhu ni-aa-o khudaa-ee.

tayray man kaa bharam na jaa-ee. rahaa-o.

pakar jee-o aani-aa dayh binaasee maatee ka-o bismil kee-aa.

jot saroop anaahat laagee kaho halaal ki-aa kee-aa.

ki-aa ujoo paak kee-aa muhu Dho-i-aa ki-aa maseet sir laa-i-aa.

ja-o dil meh kapat nivaaj gujaarahu ki-aa haj kaabai jaa-i-aa.

tooN naapaak paak nahee soojhi-aa tis kaa maram na jaani-aa.

kahi kabeer bhisat tay chookaa dojak si-o man maani-aa.

Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false.

You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens?

O Mullah, tell me: is this God's Justice?

The doubts of your mind have not been dispelled. Pause

You seize a living creature, and then bring it home and kill its body; you have killed only the clay.

The light of the soul passes into another form. So tell me, what have you killed?

And what good are your purifications? Why do you bother to wash your face? And why do you bother to bow your head in the mosque?

Your heart is full of hypocrisy; what good are your prayers or your pilgrimage to Mecca?

You are impure; you do not understand the Pure Lord. You do not know His Mystery.

Says Kabeer, you have missed out on paradise; your mind is set on hell.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji

When the Muslims heard this from Kabir ji they hung their heads in shame………….on the one hand they are offering a sacrifice………….on the other they are saying God created everything………….so what is the point of killing something that God has created and offering it to him?

It is like me owning the world biggest choclate factory and you offering me choclates………..seems ridicoulous…..and that is what Kabir ji attackes here.

Kabeer bhang mashalee suraapaan, jo jo pranee khaan-he

teerath barat neym kee-ey, te sabh rasaatal jaan-he (1377)

suraapaan=alcohol rasaatal=below hell, underground.

Those people who drink bhang, eat fish, drink alcohol,

and do ritual bathing, keep fast, all shall be burried underground.

Agagin a wrong misinterpretation….if you study Kabir ji's life then you realise this is not what this shabad is getting at:

mukat padaarath paa-ee-ai thaak na avghat ghaat. 231

kabeer ayk gharhee aaDhee gharee aaDhee hooN tay aaDh.

bhagtan saytee gostay jo keenay so laabh. 232

kabeer bhaaNg maachhulee suraa paan jo jo paraanee khaaNhi.

tirath barat naym kee-ay tay sabhai rasaatal jaaNhi. 233

neechay lo-in kar raha-o lay saajan ghat maahi.

sabh ras khayla-o pee-a sa-o kisee lakhaava-o naahi. 234

aath jaam cha-usath gharee tu-a nirkhat rahai jee-o.

neechay lo-in ki-o kara-o sabh ghat daykh-a-u pee-o. 235

sun sakhee pee-a meh jee-o basai jee-a meh basai ke pee-o.

jee-o pee-o boojha-o nahee ghat meh jee-o ke pee-o. 236

kabeer baaman guroo hai jagat kaa bhagtan kaa gur naahi.

arajh urajh kai pach moo-aa chaara-o baydahu maahi.237

har hai khaaNd rayt meh bikhree haathee chunee na jaa-ay.

kahi kabeer gur bhalee bujhaa-ee keetee ho-ay kai khaa-ay. 238

kabeer ja-o tuhi saaDh piramm kee sees kaat kar go-ay.

khaylat khaylat haal kar jo kichh ho-ay ta ho-ay. 239

kabeer ja-o tuhi saaDh piramm kee paakay saytee khayl.

kaachee sarsa-uN payl kai naa khal bha-ee na tayl.240

dhooNdhat doleh anDh gat ar cheenat naahee sant.

kahi naamaa ki-o paa-ee-ai bin bhagtahu bhagvant. 241

har so heeraa chhaad kai karahi aan kee aas.

tay nar dojak jaahigay sat bhaakhai ravidaas. 242

kabeer ja-o garihu karahi ta Dharam kar naahee ta kar bairaag.

bairaagee banDhan karai taa ko bado abhaag. 243

He obtains the treasure of liberation, and the difficult road to the Lord is not blocked. 231

Kabeer, whether is is for an hour, half an hour, or half of that,

whatever it is, it is worthwhile to speak with the Holy. 232

Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine -

no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. 233

Kabeer, I keep my eyes lowered, and enshrine my Friend within my heart.

I enjoy all pleasures with my Beloved, but I do not let anyone else know.234

Twenty-four hours a day, every hour, my soul continues to look to You, O Lord.

Why should I keep my eyes lowered? I see my Beloved in every heart. 235

Listen, O my companions: my soul dwells in my Beloved, and my Beloved dwells in my soul.

I realize that there is no difference between my soul and my Beloved; I cannot tell whether my soul or my Beloved dwells in my heart. 236

Kabeer, the Brahmin may be the guru of the world, but he is not the Guru of the devotees.

He rots and dies in the perplexities of the four Vedas. 237

The Lord is like sugar, scattered in the sand; the elephant cannot pick it up.

Says Kabeer, the Guru has given me this sublime understanding: become an ant, and feed on it. 238

Kabeer, if you desire to play the game of love with the Lord, then cut off your head, and make it into a ball.

Lose yourself in the play of it, and then whatever will be, will be. 239

Kabeer, if you desire to play the game of love with the Lord, play it with someone with committment.

Pressing the unripe mustard seeds produces neither oil nor flour. 240

Searching, the mortal stumbles like a blind person, and does not recognize the Saint.

Says Naam Dayv, how can one obtain the Lord God, without His devotee?

Firstly note that maachlee is not flesh, but is indeed fish. The word in Punjabi for flesh is maas. Then secondly one must ask, why is there a forbidding in the consumption of fish specifically. The answer lies in reading the entire paragraph and a picture emerges.

kabeer ja-o garihu karahi ta Dharam kar naahee ta kar bairaag.

Kabeer, if you live the householder's life, then practice righteousness; otherwise, you might as well retire from the world.

bairaagee banDhan karai taa ko bado abhaag. 243

If someone renounces the world, and then gets involved in worldly entanglements, he shall suffer terrible misfortune. 243

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

Now putting this in its entire context what Bhagat Kabir is actually criticising in the rich and those in power. The thrill seekers, who are addicted to their senses and those addicted to the 5 thieves. Kabir was born around the area of Benares, and was brought up in a poor Muslim weavers family. He saw the excesses of the rich around him, while the poor starved. Foods like fish and wine were associated with the rich who had an excessive disposable income. Marijuana was associated with either idol people or those who had time and money to waste. Kabir abhorred this, and this statement is a social comment about the excesses of the rich. At the end he clearly states, that those people who do their duties as householders (i.e. work hard, care for other etc) are the ones who will be liberated, and those who live by excesses will suffer

Jeea badh-hu su dharam kar thaaphu, adharam kaih-hu kat bhaaee.

Aapas kao munivar kar thaphu, ka kao kaih-hu kaasaaee? (1102-1103)

munivar-saintly people kaasaaee-butchers badh-hu=killing

On killing animals you have created your religion (the path of righteousness),

then my brother what do we say is not religion (righteousness?)

You call yourself, saintly people, then who do we call butchers?!

Wrong and out of context:

The shabad below:

Page 1102, Line 18

raag maaroo banee kabeer jee-o kee

Raag Maaroo, The Word Of Kabeer Jee:

view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 1102, Line 18

ik-oNkaar satgur parsaad.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 1102, Line 19

padee-aa kavan kumat tum laagay.

O Pandit, O religious scholar, in what foul thoughts are you engaged?

Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 1102, Line 19

bood-hugay parvaar sakal si-o raam na japahu abhaagay. ||1|| rahaa-o.

You shall be drowned, along with your family, if you do not meditate on the Lord, you unfortunate person. ||1||Pause||

Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 1102, Line 19

bayd puraan parhay kaa ki-aa gun khar chandan jas bhaaraa.

What is the use of reading the Vedas and the Puraanas? It is like loading a donkey with sandalwood.

Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 1103, Line 1

raam naam kee gat nahee jaanee kaisay utras paaraa. ||1||

You do not know the exalted state of the Lord's Name; how will you ever cross over? ||1||

Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 1103, Line 2

jee-a baDhahu so Dharam kar thaapahu aDhram kahhu kat bhaa-ee.

You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action?

Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 1103, Line 2

aapas ka-o munivar kar thaapahu kaa ka-o kahhu kasaa-ee. ||2||

You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? ||2||

Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 1103, Line 3

man kay anDhay aap na boojhhu kaahi bujhaavahu bhaa-ee.

You are blind in your mind, and do not understand your own self; how can you make others understand, O brother?

Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 1103, Line 3

maa-i-aa kaaran bidi-aa baychahu janam abirathaa jaa-ee. ||3||

For the sake of Maya and money, you sell knowledge; your life is totally worthless. ||3||

Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 1103, Line 4

naarad bachan bi-aas kahat hai suk ka-o poochhahu jaa-ee.

Naarad and Vyaasa say these things; go and ask Suk Dayv as well.

Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 1103, Line 4

kahi kabeer raamai ram chhootahu naahi ta booday bhaa-ee. ||4||1||

Says Kabeer, chanting the Lord's Name, you shall be saved; otherwise, you shall drown, brother. ||4||1||

Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 1103, Line 5

baneh basay ki-o paa-ee-ai ja-o la-o manhu na tajeh bikaar.

Living in the forest, how will you find Him? Not until you remove corruption from your mind.

Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 1103, Line 6

jih ghar ban samsar kee-aa tay pooray sansaar. ||1||

Those who look alike upon home and forest, are the most perfect people in the world. ||1||

Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 1103, Line 6

saar sukh paa-ee-ai raamaa.

You shall find real peace in the Lord,

Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

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rang ravhu aatmai raam. ||1|| rahaa-o.

if you lovingly dwell on the Lord within your being. ||1||Pause||

Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

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jataa bhasam laypan kee-aa kahaa gufaa meh baas.

What is the use of wearing matted hair, smearing the body with ashes, and living in a cave?

Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

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man jeetay jag jeeti-aa jaaN tay bikhi-aa tay ho-ay udaas. ||2||

Conquering the mind, one conquers the world, and then remains detached from corruption. ||2||

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anjan day-ay sabhai ko-ee tuk chaahan maahi bidaan.

They all apply make-up to their eyes; there is little difference between their objectives.

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gi-aan anjan jih paa-i-aa tay lo-in parvaan. ||3||

But those eyes, to which the ointment of spiritual wisdom is applied, are approved and supreme. ||3||

What Kabir ji is attacking here is the Sanyasi's and hindu priests who were strict vegetarians themselves and yet they would perform animal sacrifice on auspicious occaisions.

If you read the entire shabad and not quote one or two line you will see for yourself.

There are many more as well by Bhai Gurdas ji,

// 31 pouRee 9

je kasaaee udhariaa, jeea ghaae na khaaeeaa bhungaa.

Just because the Guru has saved the butcher,

that does not mean that we should kill animals and eat them.

(Need to read the whole // to understand the first half of my statement!)

Bhai Gurdas talks very cryptically and this is not a straight forward meaning. Here is an example:

Pauri 13 (Bakari de alankar ton upades)

Hasati akhaju guman kari sihu satana koi na khai

Hoi nimani bakari din duni vadiai pai

Maranai paranai maniai jag bhog paravanu karai

Masu pavitr grihast no andhahu tar vichari vajai

Chamare dian kari jutia sadhu charan saran liv lai

Tur pakhavaj maride kiratanu sadh sangati sukhadai

Sadh sangati satigur saranai

Pauri 13 - (Lesson from goat)

The proud elephant is inedible and none eats the mighty lion. Goat is humble and hence is is respected everywhere. On occaissions of death, joy, marriage, yajna, etc only its meat is accepted. Among the householders its meat is acknowledged as sacred and with its gut stringed instruments are made. From its leather the shoes are made to be used by the the saints merged in their meditation upon the Lord. Drums are mounted by its skin and then in the holy congregation the delight-giving kirtan, eulogy of the Lord is sung. In fact, going to the holy congregation is the same as going to the shelter of the true Guru

Does this mean we all eat goats? I think not.

Guru Arjan Dev Ji says, Pg 201

Bed PaRai mukh meeTee BaNee, Jeean kuhat na sangai praaNee.

sangai=ashamed kuhat-kill praaNee-humans Jeean-living beings

After reading the entire shabad, this line depicts, that the so called learned, saintly people read the sweet hymns of the Veds using their mouths, however they do not hesitate(feel ashamed) to kill animals.

"If you say that God resides in all, why do you kill a hen?" (ang.1375)

"It is foolish to kill animals by cruelty and call it sanctified food." (ang. 1375)

"You kill life and call it an act of religion. Then what is irreligion?" (ang. 1103).

Undoubtedly, animal food is largely used for satisfying the human palate. To eat meat only for the satisfaction of one's taste or appetite is not good. Kabir says, "You keep fasts in order to become acceptable to God, but kill a living animal for your relish." (ang.483). This refers to the eating of meat by Muslims after breaking the religious fast.

Guru Amardas says:

"Those who take dirty food increase their filth;

such filth causes sorrow to the egocentric person." (p.121)

The rest of what you write is just repeats of the above. You need to do more research…..and look at deeper meanings.

Read http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/essays-on-si...over-flesh.html

For an indepth study into this issue. Some great input.