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I really need to know if Sikhi believe in a rebirth, or karma. I mean ive heard stories from my dad's side of the family, to my mom's and they turn out to be so completely diff. I really dont know what to belive in anymore, Sikhi is dividing itself and more people are losin faith, or joining different sects of sikhism like Namdharis, or other sikh siects that worship living gurus and false idols. i need the Sangat's view (and learn to fully read the GGSJ) inorder to understand. its been a topic that confused me since i started keeping my hair and getting into Sikhi.

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Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ke fate.

Sikhi does believe in rebirth and karma. This topic is very deep but I can try to explain from my understanding.

In reality their is only one being, God. He created a creation, this world and many more. This creation is a part of him. WIthin this creation, he made countless beings and species. In all of these beings god abides withen them all equally. He does not see someone as good or evil. So all beings are within God's creation and are taken care for by God equally.

In this world nothing lasts forever. These bodies that God has given us eventually age and die. The body dies but the part of God that abides in all cannot be destroyed. It is reincarnated into another body. Now those who seek the truth (these people are choosen by God) attempt to leave this cycle of life and death from this world and merge back into the great primal being. The creater of all creations God.

Before Sikhism, people tried many things. Some went outside of civilized socity hoping to become detached from physical possesions. Others remained physically silent hoping to meditate on God and come to understand him. Others attempted to fast in order to gain God's love. All of these things seemed to work for some and thus different religions were made. All of these religions try to change the state of the physical being in order to come to understand God. Sikhism however teaches us that it is the state of the MIND that allows us to reach God not the state of the physical being. Basically mentally we must become prepaired. Instead of giving up all of our possesions and going into the wild, why not teach the mind to be as if it had no possesions. Instead of trying to quite our mouth, we need to quite our inner mind inorder to reach God.

Basically Sikhism can be considered a Science to reaching God. The Siri Guru Granth Sahib has words from many who had actually lived in this world, faced the real problems of this world, studied the situations that occured and pointed out where man made mistakes that prevent him from reaching God. These people have managed to reach God. They also know who we are, how we think and act. Having such experience and knowledge they guide us to follow the correct path to reaching God. Their teachings are our Guru.

Even though their are many physical ways that people claim make one realize the truth, their is only ONE way in which someone can come to realize God. That way is described in Sikhism.

Like you say that people have made sects of Sikhism. All of these will fall because they are false. None of them will realize God. I can say this because knowing the truth "Sikhism", they have choosen a DIFFERENT path.

It doesnt matter that their are people who try to discredit Sikhism. They are false and their confidence is false. Anyone who truly wishes to reach God will follow Sikhism (they might not call it Sikhism) and achieve the state of mind that will allow them to merge back with God. Any other paths that convince you that the state of the physical being matters, are false and are only used to show others that you are religious. Not achieve any true salvation.

Instead of hearing stories, why don't you read the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. They have many translations of it in english online. sirigranth.org I believe is a good one.

Remember Sikhism and the love of God is between you and God. Your parents have nothing to do with it. You yourself should be interested in Sikhism. You yourself should be convinced how great it is.

This once in a billionth chance of you have in reaching God should not be thrown away in doubt.

You should do research on Sikhism.

If you have tried all and you still cannot come to understand Sikhi, just repeat God's name over and over again and ask that you do will become blessed to understand it.

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ke fate.

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This Shabad is by Bhai Gurdaas Ji in Vaars Bhai Gurdaas on Pannaa 1

iPr jYmn irK boilAw jujrvyd mQ kQw suxwvY]

fir jaiman rikh boliaa jujaravaedh mathh kathhaa sunaavai||

Pondering deeply over the Yajurveda, rishi Jaimini putforth his postulates.

krmW auqy inbVy dyhI m`D kry so pwvY]

karamaa(n) outhae nibarrae dhaehee maadhh karae so paavai||

Ultimate decision will be arrived at according to the actions performed through the body which will reap whatever it has sowed.

Qwpis krm sMswr ivc krm vws kr AwvY jwvY]

thhaapas karam sa(n)saar vich karam vaas kar aavai jaavai||

He established the theory of karma and explained transmigration as controlled by karma.

shsw mnhu n cukeI krmW AMdr Brm BulwvY]

sehasaa manahu n chukee karamaa(n) a(n)dhar bharam bhulaavai||

Because of its fallacy of ad-infinitum, the doubts are cleared and the jiv goes on wandering in the labyrinth of karmas.

Brm vr`qx jgq kI ieko mwXw bRhm khwvY]

bharam varaathan jagath kee eiko maayaa breham kehaavai||

Karma is a practical aspect of the world and the maya and the Brahm are identical.

jujr vyd ko mQn kr q`q bRhm ivc Brm BulwvY]

jujar vaedh ko mathhan kar thaath breham vich bharam bhulaavai||

This school of thought (Shastra) while stirring the ingredients of Yajurveda, mixes delusions with the supreme reality the Brahm,

krm idVwie jgq ivc krm bMD kr AwvY jwvY]

karam dhirraae jagath vich karam ba(n)dhh kar aavai jaavai||

and establishes strongly the ritualism which further accepts coming in and going from the world as the result of the karma bondage.

siqgur ibnw n shsw jwvY ]ñú]

sathigur binaa n sehasaa jaavai ||aa||

Without the true Guru, the doubts cannot be dispelled away.

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Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ke fate.

Sikhi does believe in rebirth and karma. This topic is very deep but I can try to explain from my understanding.

In reality their is only one being, God. He created a creation, this world and many more. This creation is a part of him. WIthin this creation, he made countless beings and species. In all of these beings god abides withen them all equally. He does not see someone as good or evil. So all beings are within God's creation and are taken care for by God equally.

In this world nothing lasts forever. These bodies that God has given us eventually age and die. The body dies but the part of God that abides in all cannot be destroyed. It is reincarnated into another body. Now those who seek the truth (these people are choosen by God) attempt to leave this cycle of life and death from this world and merge back into the great primal being. The creater of all creations God.

Before Sikhism, people tried many things. Some went outside of civilized socity hoping to become detached from physical possesions. Others remained physically silent hoping to meditate on God and come to understand him. Others attempted to fast in order to gain God's love. All of these things seemed to work for some and thus different religions were made. All of these religions try to change the state of the physical being in order to come to understand God. Sikhism however teaches us that it is the state of the MIND that allows us to reach God not the state of the physical being. Basically mentally we must become prepaired. Instead of giving up all of our possesions and going into the wild, why not teach the mind to be as if it had no possesions. Instead of trying to quite our mouth, we need to quite our inner mind inorder to reach God.

Basically Sikhism can be considered a Science to reaching God. The Siri Guru Granth Sahib has words from many who had actually lived in this world, faced the real problems of this world, studied the situations that occured and pointed out where man made mistakes that prevent him from reaching God. These people have managed to reach God. They also know who we are, how we think and act. Having such experience and knowledge they guide us to follow the correct path to reaching God. Their teachings are our Guru.

Even though their are many physical ways that people claim make one realize the truth, their is only ONE way in which someone can come to realize God. That way is described in Sikhism.

Like you say that people have made sects of Sikhism. All of these will fall because they are false. None of them will realize God. I can say this because knowing the truth "Sikhism", they have choosen a DIFFERENT path.

It doesnt matter that their are people who try to discredit Sikhism. They are false and their confidence is false. Anyone who truly wishes to reach God will follow Sikhism (they might not call it Sikhism) and achieve the state of mind that will allow them to merge back with God. Any other paths that convince you that the state of the physical being matters, are false and are only used to show others that you are religious. Not achieve any true salvation.

Instead of hearing stories, why don't you read the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. They have many translations of it in english online. sirigranth.org I believe is a good one.

Remember Sikhism and the love of God is between you and God. Your parents have nothing to do with it. You yourself should be interested in Sikhism. You yourself should be convinced how great it is.

This once in a billionth chance of you have in reaching God should not be thrown away in doubt.

You should do research on Sikhism.

If you have tried all and you still cannot come to understand Sikhi, just repeat God's name over and over again and ask that you do will become blessed to understand it.

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ke fate.

nice summary....got me thinking grin.gif

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What is this about Jumdooths? Are they some kinda hell? I thought we feel hell living on Earth?
jamdoots arent hell. jamdoots have the responsibility of making sure that when a soul leaves its body, it goes for lekha jokha in front of dharam raaj. those who dont do any good deeds in their lifetime, they get tourtered immensly on the way and the journey is very tough. but those who jap naam, they are literally carried on the wind. Bhai Rama Singh Ji has described it in quite a bit of detail in his book he called manmukh to gurmukh (i think :D )

PrIdw BMnI GVI svMnvI tutI nwgr lju ]

fareedhaa bha(n)nee gharree sava(n)navee ttuttee naagar laj ||

Fareed, your beautiful body shall break apart, and the subtle thread of the breath shall be snapped.

AjrweIlu Prysqw kY Gir nwTI Aju ]68]

ajaraaeel faraesathaa kai ghar naat(h)ee aj ||68||

In which house will the Messenger of Death be a guest today? ||68||

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"Incarnation, which literally means enfleshment, refers to the conception, and live birth of a sentient creature (generally human) who is the material manifestation of an entity or force whose original nature is immaterial." -- wikipedia

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!

Dear all and Ajeet Ji!

Gurus did not base Sikhi on stories. It is surprising that many try to convince us by narrating stories. The Gurus did not write nor recited these stories. The story tellers wonder why the seeker has more questions after listening these stories.

Sikhi is a true experience of Truth. We experience each Vaak from Gurdev by true Simran as it is. Do not say yes to preachers un till it has not become own experience.

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Quote from Disguised Ji "from my undestanding... incarnation does not exist. The theory of incarnation is baseless because the creator was never born (Ajuni), nor does he die.. (Akal Murat)... so without going into much deatil... i perosnally dont belive in incarnation"

What does a person do when he cannot finish all his work today? Does he put it in the tomorrow's list or erases it for ever? We all get rebirths with a long list of unfulfilled desires.

Does a person have yesterdays? We all are born again with the experiences of the past. We may call it lives, memories, experiences or rebirthing of those.

Balbir Singh

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