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You have no idea about politics and how it works you have to entertain people and socialise, thats how things work in this country we are not living in 16th century Punjab. Goreh politicians respect business men they dont care about gurdwara's they like to socialise and have fun, least through monsoon we can make links with these people and make the khlalistan movement strong again, we have to use strategy. If u lot are so concerned about clubs why dont u go and close down all the pubs and clubs instead of going on about monsoon, because u havent got the guts all u can do is hound your own people. It doesnt say anything in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji about sharaab or meat if it does why dont u say where

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My friend knows mali well and he's got some photo's of him showing how much he loves india will post them as soon as i get them.........watch this space!!

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I have seen the videos and I am outraged, I had seen this before, Kesar Mand and co are a bunch of jokers. How can they call themselves Bhindranwales men that is an insult to the Sant. It is obvious these lot are jokers do we really want them running a Gurdwara. These types of people are killing of Sikhi as they are all talk.

The Sant Ji were about action not talk.

Sorry to sound so bold but i and many others were i live around the midlands feel the same and we are fed up of time wasters like these.

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy9BOarSNdw');

i have gone onto you tube and checked this out!!! Are we ever going to

learn any lessons from our history. Its like when back in the days when

General Dyer massacred our people and afterwards some people gave him a saropa

and a kirpan. Fair enough you have hindus and members of the public coming

in , thats acceptable. But the Indian Government was directly responsible

for the genocide of the Sikhs and this clown is entertaining the

representitives of that regime at monsoon. This isnt an allegation Mali is boasting

about it on radio. Mali you dont know the kaum or the sangat very well,

every time we have been challenged in this way it always brings out the best

in us and we always rise to the challenge. You might have opened a mini

indian embassy at monsoon but I will appeal to all true sikhs of Southall to

boycott this club, dont let your children go to his 'gigs' and dont

have your wedding parties there! (if u must have one have it elsewhere.) If

this group ever made it into power all our Gurdwara weddings will end up at

monsoon making even more money for Mali and his Indian government

cronnies

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh!

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so what if the sangat marry and have a party at monsoon, sangat are gonna pay someone else 20 or 30 grand anyway whats the problem if mali makes that money least he is apna. Theres nothing in the constitution that says mali cant offer the sangat monsoon for weddings. Its a business market if he offers the best deal obviously we will got to his suite. You people arent mainstream I think you live in the prehistoric ages. I have challenged you before and I will do it again where does it say in any hukamnama or in the Guru Granth Sahib that you cant drink, eat, or sell meat and sharab........? it only says about ciggerettes. You lot havent even got a clue about maryada or Maharaj, you just make it up as you go along Name me one ang of maharaj that says that. G13RPS challenged you lot too and you cant answer the question because there isnt an answer! Get off the guys case.

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Goreh politicians respect business men they dont care about gurdwara's they like to socialise and have fun, least through monsoon we can make links with these people and make the khlalistan movement strong again, we have to use strategy.

ROFLOL what a joker!!

As if buying a few pints for a few politicians is going to make Khalistan movement strong!

You don't have a clue.

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Hello guys

let me make it clear that KESAR SINGH MAND is a true khalistani who has done a lot for the panth unlike some traitors on this forum who like making up stories regarding certain individuals and hamper their public image. DIL APNA KHALISTANI has made some extrodinary claims that KESAR SINGH MAND leaked some information. Firstly I would like to ask him who else is present in that video, has he even seen all the video its is over 2hrs long, also this video also went worldwide, there is nothing secret about it. It is all over UK, CANADA, AMERICA, EUROPE has been around for more than 22 years, it is nothing new. One the reasons that KEASAR SINGH MAND carried out this interview was to show to the sikhs out of india as to what SANT JI were doing and how they could help them, hence MAND and SANT JI had similar views.

DIL APNA KHALISTANI has obviously lost the plot here as he has no evidence to base his argument about this video. KESAR SINGH MAND writes regularly as a pro KHALISTANI which is nothing new as most REAL khalistanis are aware of the work he has done and is doing. He regularly attends KHALISTAN confrences showing his support. And as someone has already mentioned he has not been back to India for 20 years simply because he is against the indian government, and is not allowed.

Also as a youth I have noticed KEASR SINGH MAND'S continued support to bring our ideas forward so we can bring a new generation into our gurdwaras.

So lets support KESAR SINGH MAND and the LION GROUP in the forthcoming elections so we can get rid of the real GHADARES LIKE SOHI AND HIS PARTY, who are clearly ANTI-KHALISTANI as they have simpy nullified any link with the KHALISTANI MOVEMENT.

Thank you

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Look paaji no one going to support sher group after they did maharaj dhi beadbi yesterday. Made us all look silly like little children and before you get all carried away and start calling me a sohi supporter read my posts and you can see my stand. This is not the way forward, pushing, shoving and shouting. There was a lot of maa pehn present yesterday at Southall General body meeting we done our behzati. You think the average sangat are goona trust us to run a Gurdwara after that fiasco, the sangat are just gonna get frightened and stop coming. We are not badmash, we just want to increase Sikhi shaan.

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2day i saw the most pathetic display by himmat singhs commitee of stupidity and disrespect ,after closing the dwnstrs diwan hall they only let members in 4 the AGM meeting and no other sangat as sangat started 2 gather Himmat singh and co called the police 2 park avenue gurdwara as usual THE POLICE HAVE BETETR THINGS 2 DO THEN GO AROUND PARK AVE GURDWARA EVRY 5 DAYS anyways , cops came and secured the area by this time i would say tht there was appox 300-350 sangat in the complex and at this point only 'members ' are allowed inside the diwan hall ,by 4:45 something kicks off inside the diwan hall and cops rush inside but are told its nothing by gurdwara security ,the sangat is looking through the doors and see evry1 standing around and all you can hear is shouting and arguing -himmat singhs- thugs 'so called back up are also seen starting trouble ,Manmohan Singh Khalsa ji tried 2 calm things dwn then the arguing continued,sangat then gets anxious and wants 2 go inside 2 stop the fighting ,and are refused entry then all of a sudden the doors open and secuirty vanish Himmat Singh and co are nowhere 2 be seen only thier wives and a few supporters are visible along with the thugs himmat sent in 2 2 intimidate the opposition and sangat ,himmats thugs are actually arguing and shouting IN FRONT OF GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI MAHARJ,granthis decide then 2 do samapti while this is happnin the arguing continues and enough sangat are filming with tier fones and live transmission is also going on through mobile phones 2 akash radio - the atmosphere was more like of beeing in a club than a diwan hall of a gurdwara ,so they done samapti The oppostion party then had no microphone 2 speak on as HImatt singh and co took the mics away the garnthis didnt have no mic 2 even do ardass in during samapti !!!!!!!! Himmat singh still had his thug spies and womean inside 2 watch and observe what the oppostion said ,in a way i feel sorry 4 the oppostion himmat and co ddnt even come and have a constructive -civilsed meeting insted tranished the sikh community mad ethe police waste time and called thier thugs 2 intimidate WHAT A JOKE and all this in hazzoori of GUru Granth sahib ji,what could the opposition say HImmat singh is a dictaor in power for 12 yrs so are next weeks elections really fair? ansewer is no what happned 2day in the diwan hall is yet agian another incident of beadbi and shws hw himmt uses SGGSJ 2 hide behind in the attached video u see what im stating and you will be shocked thi is all due 2 himmat singhs commitee and his thugs http://youtube.com/watch?v=viMny-C8Cws also below pic of palki sahib empty at 6pm! and of the scene just after argument ,notice there are no microphones in pic -cos himmat and co took them away

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You have no idea about politics and how it works you have to entertain people and socialise, thats how things work in this country we are not living in 16th century Punjab. Goreh politicians respect business men they dont care about gurdwara's they like to socialise and have fun, least through monsoon we can make links with these people and make the khlalistan movement strong again, we have to use strategy. If u lot are so concerned about clubs why dont u go and close down all the pubs and clubs instead of going on about monsoon, because u havent got the guts all u can do is hound your own people. It doesnt say anything in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji about sharaab or meat if it does why dont u say where

Am i getting this wrong? But allowing the forbidden into the Gurdara should be allowed?

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Sarpanch I hope you are not an Amritdari for the Guru's sake, you are lying, sorry to say that but that didnt happen. I reiterate that I am not a Bajj group follower and my posts over the previous time are open to view. But Dr someone from the committe was speaking and it was our guys who did the beadbi, they were shouting during Sri ardas! As for the police they were there even as i was going in before the meet. ' I will not stay silent from speaking the truth through fear of mortals' Guru Dasmesh said. Until the Khalsa stay niara i will support them Guru Ji said, but when they dont follow the maryada ' me na karo in kee partit' he said he will abandon us. We are ruining our rishta with our Guru for a korsi, a lot of Gursikhs i respected were about yesterday and they did total beadbi, we are better than anyone. But lets stick to SATH - truth, dont ruin our likhe for an election veero!

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Azad change your name to gulaam, because thats what you are, how much is sohi paying you to come on here and preach about him and his party?

YOU SAY ELECTIONS??? AN ELECTION WOULD BE FAIR IF BOTH SIDE'S SUPPORTERS WERE MADE MEMBERS TO VOTE, BUT SOHI ON LET HIS SIDE BECOME MEMBERS!!!! NEVER MADE THE OTHER SIDE'S SUPPORTERS BECOME MEMBERS!

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I can tell you are a really interlectual guy so lets have a look at some facts firstly when it comes to preaching you have typed the same stuff on near enough every thread on this whole site! Yes I got some opinions, if I say anything against sohi his lot start mailing me and if I start saying anything against mali his lot start being abusive. Read my post genious , where as I have backed both groups when i think they are right you have just spat put one way traffic from your posts, so if anyone is on a salary I think you must be referring to yourself. This site is to express our views just because everyone doesnt agree with you it doesnt mean their gulaam, look paji you sound like the taliban. Give people a chance to have their say without calling them slaves.

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Azad change your name to gulaam

LOL - Anyone who allows people to smoke etc on Gurdwara permises needs to be ousted! out with sohi!

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At least he saying I NEED to change my name, no ones saying that to you because your name is pakandi baba, I think you should keep it , it suits your views!!

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eh what did he say that was wrong?

Gave an opinion, can't be so wrong to say that it's wrong to smoke in Gurdwara Premises or can it.

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At the end of the day if sohi's comittee had allowed the AGM to be conducted in a proper manner, maybe things wouldn't have turned out the way they did. They are supposed to be running the managment of the committee and they cant even do that properly. Instead they cant face the truth and have to go up and hide. If they were fair they would have given the opposition time to voice thier views, which they are fully entitled to.

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At least he saying I NEED to change my name, no ones saying that to you because your name is pakandi baba, I think you should keep it , it suits your views!!

Well i'm sure you're one of those 'Dekhava Sikhs' that wear the bana (if you even do) and eat meat, drink sharab all in a Gurdwara premises! - And my name is what most of the people follow, so that includes you, judging from and YOUR views and the people you back! :TH:

eh what did he say that was wrong?

Gave an opinion, can't be so wrong to say that it's wrong to smoke in Gurdwara Premises or can it.

It can to those that indulge in it Veera!

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I attended the agm at Singh Sabha yesterday. It was a shamefull day for the sikh sangat. As the ardas began sher group started making noise, shouting and swearing. The general secretary was addressing the sangat and Mali's group kept the noise up constantly. These manmukhs gathered outside and had a meeting , the conclusion of which was if we cant win the election fairly lets cause a riot and get it cancelled! The agm couldnt carry on so about a thousand members walked out and went home in the mean time because no one was left to stop them, mali got on the kirtan stage in his socks and starting making up his own resolutions and shouting jaikare. The sangat will give their fatwa on Sunday, but these people have no faith in the sangat or the guru. The sangat will never let singh sabha back into the days when these people robbed it blind. It has taken a long time for sohi with the sangats help to turn it round. Now we see one of this countries premier religious institutions standing proudly in Southall. Now they want chodar after the comittee have done all the hard work. I will post the videos that show without a shadow of a doubt what happened on you tube today. The sher group claim sohi is corrupt, the charity comission is corrupt, all the m.p's are corrupt, all the police are corrupt..............maybe they are the only decent people left! The truth is they only see others as they are inside themselves.

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as i sed before harjap get a life.

your lies aint gonna fool anyone. the fact of the matter is that sohi & co ran off because they cant answer any questions. Why dont you go yourslef and get a tender estimate on how much a similar buliding would cost to make, similar to that of havelock road. I bet u it wont be more than £10 mill at the most. So what the hell has sohi done spent £17/18 million. forget taking the gurdwara out of debt, he's put them in more debt than they could ever imagine. Whose gonna being paying off the debts for the next 30 years?. Malhi lot dont want to take the credit of whats been done, coz their is no credit to take. LOL!!

And more so, the company that built the gurdwara has gone bankrupt. just a bit of a coincidence dont you think?

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This is mali on radio telling everyone he entertains the indian government and his meat and sharaab at monsoon is langar.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKvp211l0C4

you can obtain copies from punjab radio reception

gurvah the gurdwara was 2 million in debt the last time u lot were in power now its worth over 40 million, u dont need to be a mathmatician to work out who's lying!!

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Harjap is just writing the same thing on the threads, about some stupid recording, which in itself doesnt prove much!!!

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Wahegruu ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh

I attened the Sri Guru Singh Sabha AGM yesterday and was extreamly upset with the evnts that occured. We had members of the gurdwara, shouting and aggresively waving their arms at the existing commitee. This was beabdi of our maharaji. Where in Sikhism does it tell us that this type of behaviour is permitted. At the end of the day, they should of listened to the executive commitee's report and if any member was in disagreement this should of been addressed at the end of the meeting when members could of spoken.

I would like to say that this behaviour has disgraced our releigion in the community. As for Malhi, i listened to his speech when the meeting had been ended due to the behaviour of our fellow brothers and sisters. What i would like to ask Mr Malhi is that i am not jusding you on what you say, but when you walked on to the satge you should have taken your socks off. What example is the lion group setting by doing all this beadbi i think they want to bring the gurdwara back to the state in the late 80's early 90s where no one wanted to go to the gurdwara due to violence.

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yes i watched the video that was when mali and sher group barged past women and the elderly to get to the stage and then the committee stood up to protect the mahraj dhi saroop because these lot were charging forward. Its a disgrace shouting and pushing old people around cant sher group just behave civilised and wait for there turn to have a say. well at least the sangat will have their say on Sunday lets see if sher group listen to the hukam of the sangat or just make even more excuses after the election. Lets see what the guru's faisla is, this film is good it shows mali group trying to rush the stage. The camera man is very nicely placed as usual........... dont stop beadbi lets make a blockbuster!, everyone in position, every one know there lines, o.k lights...........camera(phone) and ............ACTION!! INSTIGATE AND CARRY OUT BEADBI AND BLAME IT ON SOMEONE ESLE AFTER FILMING IT PART 6. See you all later at monsoon where we can chill out with the indian government and have mali's meat and sharab langar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RAJ KAREGA KHALSA.............anyone film that?

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In any case, the point is not necessarily dadi recounting "we used to idol-worship Shiva back in the day", but all manner of things that your ancestors did: Some examples: how we cultivated the jungle region of Pakistan, the pain of partition, how people used to live simply, how we lost our business due to inability to pay back a loan and we had to struggle for 2 decades to get back on our feet,  how your grandfather's brother was born genetically deformed and how he had to help him all his life, how the servant was so poor she could not marry her daughter so we helped her out, etc, etc. Bro, dharam is not the same thing as getting up and doing Japji Sahib and wearing 5 kakkars (though that's required for us indeed). Dharam is not something that didn't exist before Guru Nanak Dev ji, and just came into existence when Guru Sahib was born, or started parchar. Dharam is something greater, and older. Read this tuk: ਸੁਣਿ ਸਾਖੀ ਮਨ ਜਪਿ ਪਿਆਰ ॥ Listen to the stories of the devotees, O my mind, and meditate with love. Now a question for you: Do you think the sakhis that Guru sahib says to listen to are "Sikh" sakhis or "Hindu" sakhis. Don't look ahead and cheat!!       ---- Answer: "Hindu" sakhis:   ਬਸੰਤੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਘਰੁ ੧ ਦੁਤੁਕੀਆ Basant, Fifth Mohalla, First House, Du-Tukee: ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਸੁਣਿ ਸਾਖੀ ਮਨ ਜਪਿ ਪਿਆਰ ॥ Listen to the stories of the devotees, O my mind, and meditate with love. ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਉਧਰਿਆ ਕਹਿ ਏਕ ਬਾਰ ॥ Ajaamal uttered the Lord's Name once, and was saved. ਬਾਲਮੀਕੈ ਹੋਆ ਸਾਧਸੰਗੁ ॥ Baalmeek found the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy. ਧ੍ਰੂ ਕਉ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਿਸੰਗ ॥੧॥ The Lord definitely met Dhroo. ||1|| ਤੇਰਿਆ ਸੰਤਾ ਜਾਚਉ ਚਰਨ ਰੇਨ ॥ I beg for the dust of the feet of Your Saints. ਲੇ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਲਾਵਉ ਕਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਦੇਨ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Please bless me with Your Mercy, Lord, that I may apply it to my forehead. ||1||Pause|| ਗਨਿਕਾ ਉਧਰੀ ਹਰਿ ਕਹੈ ਤੋਤ ॥ Ganika the prostitute was saved, when her parrot uttered the Lord's Name. ਗਜਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਧਿਆਇਓ ਹਰਿ ਕੀਓ ਮੋਖ ॥ The elephant meditated on the Lord, and was saved. ਬਿਪ੍ਰ ਸੁਦਾਮੇ ਦਾਲਦੁ ਭੰਜ ॥ He delivered the poor Brahmin Sudama out of poverty. ਰੇ ਮਨ ਤੂ ਭੀ ਭਜੁ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ॥੨॥ O my mind, you too must meditate and vibrate on the Lord of the Universe. ||2|| ਬਧਿਕੁ ਉਧਾਰਿਓ ਖਮਿ ਪ੍ਰਹਾਰ ॥ Even the hunter who shot an arrow at Krishna was saved. ਕੁਬਿਜਾ ਉਧਰੀ ਅੰਗੁਸਟ ਧਾਰ ॥ Kubija the hunchback was saved, when God placed His Feet on her thumb. ਬਿਦਰੁ ਉਧਾਰਿਓ ਦਾਸਤ ਭਾਇ ॥ Bidar was saved by his attitude of humility. ਰੇ ਮਨ ਤੂ ਭੀ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਇ ॥੩॥ O my mind, you too must meditate on the Lord. ||3|| ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ ਰਖੀ ਹਰਿ ਪੈਜ ਆਪ ॥ The Lord Himself saved the honor of Prahlaad. ਬਸਤ੍ਰ ਛੀਨਤ ਦ੍ਰੋਪਤੀ ਰਖੀ ਲਾਜ ॥ Even when she was being disrobed in court, Dropatee's honor was preserved. ਜਿਨਿ ਜਿਨਿ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਅੰਤ ਬਾਰ ॥ Those who have served the Lord, even at the very last instant of their lives, are saved. ਰੇ ਮਨ ਸੇਵਿ ਤੂ ਪਰਹਿ ਪਾਰ ॥੪॥ O my mind, serve Him, and you shall be carried across to the other side. ||4|| ਧੰਨੈ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਬਾਲ ਬੁਧਿ ॥ Dhanna served the Lord, with the innocence of a child. ਤ੍ਰਿਲੋਚਨ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਭਈ ਸਿਧਿ ॥ Meeting with the Guru, Trilochan attained the perfection of the Siddhas. ਬੇਣੀ ਕਉ ਗੁਰਿ ਕੀਓ ਪ੍ਰਗਾਸੁ ॥ The Guru blessed Baynee with His Divine Illumination. ਰੇ ਮਨ ਤੂ ਭੀ ਹੋਹਿ ਦਾਸੁ ॥੫॥ O my mind, you too must be the Lord's slave. ||5|| ਜੈਦੇਵ ਤਿਆਗਿਓ ਅਹੰਮੇਵ ॥ Jai Dayv gave up his egotism. ਨਾਈ ਉਧਰਿਓ ਸੈਨੁ ਸੇਵ ॥ Sain the barber was saved through his selfless service. ਮਨੁ ਡੀਗਿ ਨ ਡੋਲੈ ਕਹੂੰ ਜਾਇ ॥ Do not let your mind waver or wander; do not let it go anywhere. ਮਨ ਤੂ ਭੀ ਤਰਸਹਿ ਸਰਣਿ ਪਾਇ ॥੬॥ O my mind, you too shall cross over; seek the Sanctuary of God. ||6||\ ਜਿਹ ਅਨੁਗ੍ਰਹੁ ਠਾਕੁਰਿ ਕੀਓ ਆਪਿ ॥ O my Lord and Master, You have shown Your Mercy to them. ਸੇ ਤੈਂ ਲੀਨੇ ਭਗਤ ਰਾਖਿ ॥ You saved those devotees. ਤਿਨ ਕਾ ਗੁਣੁ ਅਵਗਣੁ ਨ ਬੀਚਾਰਿਓ ਕੋਇ ॥ You do not take their merits and demerits into account. ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਦੇਖਿ ਮਨੁ ਲਗਾ ਸੇਵ ॥੭॥ Seeing these ways of Yours, I have dedicated my mind to Your service. ||7|| ਕਬੀਰਿ ਧਿਆਇਓ ਏਕ ਰੰਗ ॥ Kabeer meditated on the One Lord with love. ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਬਸਹਿ ਸੰਗਿ ॥ Naam Dayv lived with the Dear Lord. ਰਵਿਦਾਸ ਧਿਆਏ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਅਨੂਪ ॥ Ravi Daas meditated on God, the Incomparably Beautiful. ਗੁਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਵ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਰੂਪ ॥੮॥੧॥ Guru Nanak Dayv is the Embodiment of the Lord of the Universe. ||8||1||   ਬਸੰਤੁ (ਮਃ ੫) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅੰਗ ੧੧੯੨    Was Ajamal a "Hindu" or a "Sikh"? Why did Guru Sahib tell us to remember his sakhI? Please answer these two questions. Don't doubt Guru Sahib. He is Satguru, we are followers. Note for Hinduphobes: If you read the entire shabad, Guru Arjan Dev ji lists all the "Hindu" personalities that we should remember, but at the very end says Guru Nanak Dev ji is the very form of God. Meaning that the Avatars (Ram Chander, Krishan Bhagvan, etc.) had some level of powers from God, but they were not God. Not so for Guru Nanak Dev ji.