So Many Religions?

[Guest so confuzd]

Why are there soo many different religions in da world? I've heard dat all religions are equal and there's onli one god. But then if das tru, then why are there all these different religions? And if dat was true, well then you could pick any religion and follow it, cuz all religions are equal riight?..but i don't get it, cuz like i know dat christians say that jesus is the only way to heaven, but then in sikhi duznt it say dat all religions are equal..what was the purpose of god to make so many different religions if he wanted us to have faith in him and go to the same place..why didnt he jus make all of us sikh or christian or wtv :lol: @

[Heera Singh]

in my humble opinion... each religion has their own path to God...some 'religions' were 'created' out of conflict n what not... there are a lot of people who say religions are all man made... u'll also hear a lot of people to say Sikhi isn't a religion, rather, its a way of life... a strict disciplined way of life at that.. in Sikhi we believe this path is the easiest and the fastest way to God...

as for why there are so many religions i don't know.. and as for why God didn't make us all follow one religion, thats beyond everybody.... everythin is in Gods will.. he does as he pleases, and the only people that would know that answers to those questions are Brahm Gyanee's who, through jeevan mukti (libertion while still alive), are in constant contact with Our Lord...

in my humble opinion... shouldn't really let this affect ur way of life... the key is to choose a path and follow it with the utmost prem and sharda... these sorta questions have been asked for ages, but have never been answer... in the end these thingz are just distractions...

[crayzy]

each to their own

Bahadur Shah asked Guru Gobind Singh Ji who's Dharam is better, Guruji replied "tumko tumara khoob, ham ko hamara khoob"

i.e. yours is beautiful to you, mine is beautiful to me.

[Guest Guest]

Sikhi is the ONLY path to Sachkhand/Vaheguru.

Guru Sahib has said in Bani that only through the Satguru can someone meet God. Bani says Satguru gives naam and through japping naam we meet Vaheguru. There is only one Satguru and that is Guru Nanak. There is no other Satguru. There is no equal of Guru Nanak.

The concept of Gurmat naam is also only in Sikhi.

The other religions do give fruit and some can take the follower very far spiritually but to get to the final destination, only Sikhi and naam is the way. Only through Gurmantar.

Followers of other religions won't be punished if they do good and live spiritually. They will get their rewards. But like I said, only Sikhi can take you all the way.

Darbar Sahib may have 4 doors, but the path is only one. Same way, anyone of any background can meet Vaheguru, but the path is only one.

[WGJKKWGJKF]

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

I dont know if this helps...ive been trying to study world faiths and in my view all the religions in the world are different interpretations of the Truth.

If you study all the world faiths you will find out how much simularities there are between them.

I mean there is some evidence that Abraham and the Hindu God Abraham is the same person. So basicly different groups interpreted things slightly differently. Some incidences in the Bible and Vedas's corespond to each other (apart from the Bible's and Vedas's have different names for these characters), again these incidents are slightly different to each other, which can be explained by:

All the scriptures in the world were written down yrs later, which shows why there are different interpretations of the truth, whereas Sikhi is the only religion which was written by the prophets themselfs.

I dont know if this helps, but this is what the Hindu Bhagavad Gita 4/7-8 has to say:

yada yada hi dharmasya

glanir bhavati bharata

abhyutthanam adharmasya

tadatmanam srjamy aham

SYNONYMS

yada--whenever; yada--wherever; hi--certainly; dharmasya--of religion; glanih--discrepancies; bhavati--manifested, becomes; bharata--O descendant of Bharata; abhyutthanam--predominance; adharmasya--of irreligion; tada--at that time; atmanam--self; srjami--manifest; aham--I.

TRANSLATION

Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion--at that time I descend Myself

By the way i dont know the realiability of this but ive read some articles which has shown taht the Vedas prohecised about Sikhi, Islam and Bahai.

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

[Khalsa4ever]

Sikhi is the ONLY path to Sachkhand/Vaheguru.

Guru Sahib has said in Bani that only through the Satguru can someone meet God.  Bani says Satguru gives naam and through japping naam we meet Vaheguru.  There is only one Satguru and that is Guru Nanak.  There is no other Satguru.  There is no equal of Guru Nanak.

The concept of Gurmat naam is also only in Sikhi.

The other religions do give fruit and some can take the follower very far spiritually but to get to the final destination, only Sikhi and naam is the way.  Only through Gurmantar. 

Followers of other religions won't be punished if they do good and live spiritually.  They will get their rewards.  But like I said, only Sikhi can take you all the way.

Darbar Sahib may have 4 doors, but the path is only one.  Same way, anyone of any background can meet Vaheguru, but the path is only one.

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Waheguroo jee ka Khalsa!

Waehguroo jee kee Fateh!

Quite wrong actually. Like they say: all roads lead to Rome.

Guru Nanak taught that following faithfully spiritually and mentally the core values of any faith will bring you to God. Think about it, how can our Guru Granth Sahib have banis written by Muslim Fakirs and Hindu Sants if they weren't going to reach God? The difference between Sikhi and other faiths is our Gurus put a set of minimal basic teachings together without the "fluff" of religious dogma that is enherent in the other faiths that has not yet been overly polluted by time.

Waheguroo jee ka Khalsa!

Waehguroo jee kee Fateh!

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

"Think about it, how can our Guru Granth Sahib have banis written by Muslim Fakirs and Hindu Sants if they weren't going to reach God?"

let's analyze how "hindu" the bhagats were and how "muslim" the muslim faqirs were, who are in SGGS ji. we need to read SGGS before we make this age old sikh statement. the hindus and muslims who are in SGGS talk about Naam, Satguru, Akaal, as the gurus did. They all shared the common religion of Naam. let's have a look:

Bhagat Kabir Ji:

Awsw ] (481-7)

aasaa.

Aasaa:

lµkw sw kotu smuMd sI KweI ] (481-7, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

lankaa saa kot samund see khaa-ee.

A fortress like that of Sri Lanka, with the ocean as a moat around it

iqh rwvn Gr Kbir n pweI ]1] (481-7, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

tih raavan ghar khabar na paa-ee. ||1||

- there is no news about that house of Raavan. ||1||

ikAw mwgau ikCu iQru n rhweI ] (481-7, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

ki-aa maaga-o kichh thir na rahaa-ee.

What shall I ask for? Nothing is permanent.

dyKq nYn cilE jgu jweI ]1] rhwau ] (481-8, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

daykhat nain chali-o jag jaa-ee. ||1|| rahaa-o.

I see with my eyes that the world is passing away. ||1||Pause||

ieku lKu pUq svw lKu nwqI ] (481-8, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

ik lakh poot savaa lakh naatee.

Thousands of sons and thousands of grandsons

iqh rwvn Gr dIAw n bwqI ]2] (481-8, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

tih raavan ghar dee-aa na baatee. ||2||

- but in that house of Raavan, the lamps and wicks have gone out. ||2||

cMdu sUrju jw ky qpq rsoeI ] (481-9, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

chand sooraj jaa kay tapat raso-ee.

The moon and the sun cooked his food.

bYsMqru jw ky kpry DoeI ]3] (481-9, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

baisantar jaa kay kapray Dho-ee. ||3||

The fire washed his clothes. ||3||

gurmiq rwmY nwim bsweI ] (481-9, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

gurmat raamai naam basaa-ee.

Under Guru's Instructions, one whose mind is filled with the Lord's Name,

AsiQru rhY n kqhUM jweI ]4] (481-10, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

asthir rahai na katahooN jaa-ee. ||4||

becomes permanent, and does not go anywhere. ||4||

khq kbIr sunhu ry loeI ] (481-10, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

kahat kabeer sunhu ray lo-ee.

Says Kabeer, listen, people:

rwm nwm ibnu mukiq n hoeI ]5]8]21] (481-10, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

raam naam bin mukat na ho-ee. ||5||8||21||

without the Lord's Name, no one is liberated. ||5||8||21||

<> siqgur pRswid ] (479-4)

ik-oNkaar satgur parsaad.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

pwqI qorY mwilnI pwqI pwqI jIau ] (479-5, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

paatee torai maalini paatee paatee jee-o.

You tear off the leaves, O gardener, but in each and every leaf, there is life.

ijsu pwhn kau pwqI qorY so pwhn inrjIau ]1] (479-5, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

jis paahan ka-o paatee torai so paahan nirjee-o. ||1||

That stone idol, for which you tear off those leaves - that stone idol is lifeless. ||1||

BUlI mwlnI hY eyau ] (479-5, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

bhoolee maalnee hai ay-o.

In this, you are mistaken, O gardener.

siqguru jwgqw hY dyau ]1] rhwau ] (479-6, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

satgur jaagtaa hai day-o. ||1|| rahaa-o.

The True Guru is the Living Lord. ||1||Pause||

bRhmu pwqI ibsnu fwrI PUl sMkrdyau ] (479-6, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

barahm paatee bisan daaree fool sankarday-o.

Brahma is in the leaves, Vishnu is in the branches, and Shiva is in the flowers.

qIin dyv pRqiK qorih krih iks kI syau ]2] (479-6, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

teen dayv partakh toreh karahi kis kee say-o. ||2||

When you break these three gods, whose service are you performing? ||2||

Bhagat ravidas ji talks about bhagat kabir ji, bhagat naamdev ji:

Awsw ] (487-2)

aasaa.

Aasaa:

hir hir hir hir hir hir hry ] (487-2, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

har har har har har har haray.

The Lord, Har, Har, Har, Har, Har, Har, Haray.

hir ismrq jn gey insqir qry ]1] rhwau ] (487-2, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

har simrat jan ga-ay nistar taray. ||1|| rahaa-o.

Meditating on the Lord, the humble are carried across to salvation. ||1||Pause||

hir ky nwm kbIr aujwgr ] (487-3, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

har kay naam kabeer ujaagar.

Through the Lord's Name, Kabeer became famous and respected.

jnm jnm ky kwty kwgr ]1] (487-3, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

janam janam kay kaatay kaagar. ||1||

The accounts of his past incarnations were torn up. ||1||

inmq nwmdyau dUDu pIAwieAw ] (487-3, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

nimat naamday-o dooDh pee-aa-i-aa.

Because of Naam Dayv's devotion, the Lord drank the milk he offered.

qau jg jnm sMkt nhI AwieAw ]2] (487-4, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

ta-o jag janam sankat nahee aa-i-aa. ||2||

He shall not have to suffer the pains of reincarnation into the world again. ||2||

jn rivdws rwm rMig rwqw ] (487-4, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

jan ravidaas raam rang raataa.

Servant Ravi Daas is imbued with the Lord's Love.

ieau gur prswid nrk nhI jwqw ]3]5] (487-5, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

i-o gur parsaad narak nahee jaataa. ||3||5||

By Guru's Grace, he shall not have to go to hell. ||3||5||

mwtI ko puqrw kYsy ncqu hY ] (487-5, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

maatee ko putraa kaisay nachat hai.

How does the puppet of clay dance?

dyKY dyKY sunY bolY dauirE iPrqu hY ]1] rhwau ] (487-5, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

daykhai daykhai sunai bolai da-ori-o firat hai. ||1|| rahaa-o.

He looks and listens, hears and speaks, and runs around. ||1||Pause||

jb kCu pwvY qb grbu krqu hY ] (487-6, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

jab kachh paavai tab garab karat hai.

When he acquires something, he is inflated with ego.

mwieAw geI qb rovnu lgqu hY ]1] (487-6, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

maa-i-aa ga-ee tab rovan lagat hai. ||1||

But when his wealth is gone, then he cries and bewails. ||1||

mn bc k®m rs ksih luBwnw ] (487-7, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

man bach karam ras kaseh lubhaanaa.

In thought, word and deed, he is attached to the sweet and tangy flavors.

ibnis gieAw jwie khUM smwnw ]2] (487-7, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

binas ga-i-aa jaa-ay kahoo-aN samaanaa. ||2||

When he dies, no one knows where he has gone. ||2||

kih rivdws bwjI jgu BweI ] (487-7, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

kahi ravidaas baajee jag bhaa-ee.

Says Ravi Daas, the world is just a dramatic play, O Siblings of Destiny.

bwjIgr sau muoih pRIiq bin AweI ]3]6] (487-8, Awsw, Bgq rivdws jI)

baajeegar sa-o mohi pareet ban aa-ee. ||3||6||

I have enshrined love for the Lord, the star of the show. ||3||6||

Shaykh Farid Ji’s Baani:

Awsw ] (488-12)

aasaa.

Aasaa:

bolY syK PrIdu ipAwry Alh lgy ] (488-12, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

bolai saykh fareed pi-aaray alah lagay.

Says Shaykh Fareed, O my dear friend, attach yourself to the Lord.

iehu qnu hosI Kwk inmwxI gor Gry ]1] (488-12, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

ih tan hosee khaak nimaanee gor gharay. ||1||

This body shall turn to dust, and its home shall be a neglected graveyard. ||1||

Awju imlwvw syK PrId twikm kUMjVIAw mnhu micMdVIAw ]1] rhwau ] (488-12, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

aaj milaavaa saykh fareed taakim koonjarhee-aa manhu machind-rhee-aa. ||1|| rahaa-o.

You can meet the Lord today, O Shaykh Fareed, if you restrain your bird-like desires which keep your mind in turmoil. ||1||Pause||

jy jwxw mir jweIAY Guim n AweIAY ] (488-13, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

jay jaanaa mar jaa-ee-ai ghum na aa-ee-ai.

If I had known that I was to die, and not return again,

JUTI dunIAw lig n Awpu v\weIAY ]2] (488-14, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

jhoothee dunee-aa lag na aap vanjaa-ee-ai. ||2||

I would not have ruined myself by clinging to the world of falsehood. ||2||

bolIAY scu Drmu JUTu n bolIAY ] (488-14, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

bolee-ai sach Dharam jhooth na bolee-ai.

So speak the Truth, in righteousness, and do not speak falsehood.

jo guru dsY vwt murIdw jolIAY ]3] (488-14, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

jo gur dasai vaat mureedaa jolee-ai. ||3||

The disciple ought to travel the route, pointed out by the Guru. ||3||

CYl lµGMdy pwir gorI mnu DIirAw ] (488-15, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

chhail langhanday paar goree man Dheeri-aa.

Seeing the youths being carried across, the hearts of the beautiful young soul-brides are encouraged.

kMcn vMny pwsy klviq cIirAw ]4] (488-15, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

kanchan vannay paasay kalvat cheeri-aa. ||4||

Those who side with the glitter of gold, are cut down with a saw. ||4||

syK hYXwqI jig n koeI iQru rihAw ] (488-16, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

saykh haiyaatee jag na ko-ee thir rahi-aa.

O Shaykh, no one's life is permanent in this world.

ijsu Awsix hm bYTy kyqy bYis gieAw ]5] (488-16, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

jis aasan ham baithay kaytay bais ga-i-aa. ||5||

That seat, upon which we now sit - many others sat on it and have since

departed. ||5||

kiqk kUMjW cyiq fau swvix ibjulIAW ] (488-17, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

katik kooNjaaN chayt da-o saavan bijulee-aaN.

As the swallows appear in the month of Katik, forest fires in the month of Chayt, and lightning in Saawan,

sIAwly sohMdIAW ipr gil bwhVIAW ]6] (488-17, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

see-aalay sohandee-aaN pir gal baahrhee-aaN. ||6||

and as the bride's arms adorn her husband's neck in winter;||6||

cly clxhwr ivcwrw lyie mno ] (488-17, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

chalay chalanhaar vichaaraa lay-ay mano.

Just so, the transitory human bodies pass away. Reflect upon this in your mind.

gMFyidAW iCA mwh quVMidAw ihku iKno ]7] (488-18, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

gandhaydi-aaN chhi-a maah turhandi-aa hik khino. ||7||

It takes six months to form the body, but it breaks in an instant. ||7||

ijmI puCY Asmwn PrIdw Kyvt ikMin gey ] (488-18, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

jimee puchhai asmaan fareedaa khayvat kinn ga-ay.

O Fareed, the earth asks the sky, "Where have the boatmen gone?"

jwlx gorW nwil aulwmy jIA shy ]8]2] (488-19, Awsw, syK PrId jI)

jaalan goraaN naal ulaamay jee-a sahay. ||8||2||

Some have been cremated, and some lie in their graves; their souls are suffering rebukes. ||8||2||

ok there are a lot mre examples, but i'm sure people won't have enough time to read all of it...SGGS talks about Naam, satguru, sangat, etc. It promotes a religion of oneness with nirankaar. It rejects fasts, rituals, pilfrimages consistently from start to finish. No where in SGGS have the hindu bhagats or the muslim faqirs promted hinduism or islam but instead have talked of their follies of idol worship and dogma. many sikhs proclaim that the sikh scripture is saying that al religions are correct, well if SGGS says that circumcision is wrong then how could islam be right since it is mandatory for a muslim to be circumcised?

read gurbaani and get away from what all the "scholars" tell you what SGGS says, read for yourselves. the reason we have people like the one who started this thread is becuase we don't read baani and get these confusing ideas on sikhi from "scholars" which make sikhi seem like a waste of time since allreligions are equal...all people are equal, all paths are not the same.

peace.

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

Circumcision and Muslims, bhagat kabir ji:

Awsw ] (477-14)

aasaa.

Aasaa:

ihMdU qurk khw qy Awey ikin eyh rwh clweI ] (477-14, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

hindoo turak kahaa tay aa-ay kin ayh raah chalaa-ee.

Where have the Hindus and Muslims come from? Who put them on their different paths?

idl mih soic ibcwir kvwdy iBsq dojk ikin pweI ]1] (477-14, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

dil meh soch bichaar kavaaday bhisat dojak kin paa-ee. ||1||

Think of this, and contemplate it within your mind, O men of evil intentions. Who will go to heaven and hell? ||1||

kwjI qY kvn kqyb bKwnI ] (477-15, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

kaajee tai kavan katayb bakhaanee.

O Qazi, which book have you read?

pVHq gunq AYsy sB mwry iknhUM Kbir n jwnI ]1] rhwau ] (477-15, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

parhHat gunat aisay sabh maaray kinhooN khabar na jaanee. ||1|| rahaa-o.

Such scholars and students have all died, and none of them have discovered the inner meaning. ||1||Pause||

skiq snyhu kir suMniq krIAY mY n bdaugw BweI ] (477-16, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

sakat sanayhu kar sunat karee-ai mai na bad-ugaa bhaa-ee.

Because of the love of woman, circumcision is done; I don't believe in it, O Siblings of Destiny.

jau ry Kudwie moih qurku krYgw Awpn hI kit jweI ]2] (477-17, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

ja-o ray khudaa-ay mohi turak karaigaa aapan hee kat jaa-ee. ||2||

If God wished me to be a Muslim, it would be cut off by itself. ||2||

suMniq kIey qurku jy hoiegw Aaurq kw ikAw krIAY ] (477-17, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

sunat kee-ay turak jay ho-igaa a-urat kaa ki-aa karee-ai.

If circumcision makes one a Muslim, then what about a woman?

ArD srIrI nwir n CofY qw qy ihMdU hI rhIAY ]3] (477-18, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

araDh sareeree naar na chhodai taa tay hindoo hee rahee-ai. ||3||

She is the other half of a man's body, and she does not leave him, so he remains a Hindu. ||3||

Cwif kqyb rwmu Bju baury julm krq hY BwrI ] (477-18, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

chhaad katayb raam bhaj ba-uray julam karat hai bhaaree.

Give up your holy books, and remember the Lord, you fool, and stop oppressing others so badly.

kbIrY pkrI tyk rwm kI qurk rhy pichwrI ]4]8] (477-19, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

kabeerai pakree tayk raam kee turak rahay pachihaaree. ||4||8||

Kabeer has grasped hold of the Lord's Support, and the Muslims have utterly failed. ||4||8||

Bhagat Kabir Ji’s Hajj, talks to hindus and muslims:

Awsw ] (478-17)

aasaa.

Aasaa:

hj hmwrI gomqI qIr ] (478-17, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

haj hamaaree gomtee teer.

My pilgrimage to Mecca is on the banks of the Gomati River;

jhw bsih pIqMbr pIr ]1] (478-18, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

jahaa baseh peetambar peer. ||1||

the spiritual teacher in his yellow robes dwells there. ||1||

vwhu vwhu ikAw KUbu gwvqw hY ] (478-18, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

vaahu vaahu ki-aa khoob gaavtaa hai.

Waaho! Waaho! Hail! Hail! How wondrously he sings.

hir kw nwmu myrY min Bwvqw hY ]1] rhwau ] (478-18, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

har kaa naam mayrai man bhaavtaa hai. ||1|| rahaa-o.

The Name of the Lord is pleasing to my mind. ||1||Pause||

nwrd swrd krih KvwsI ] (479-1, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

naarad saarad karahi khavaasee.

Naarada the sage, and Shaarada the goddess of knowledge, serve the Lord.

pwis bYTI bIbI kvlw dwsI ]2] (479-1, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

paas baithee beebee kavlaa daasee. ||2||

The goddess Lakhshmi sits by Him as His slave. ||2||

kMTy mwlw ijhvw rwmu ] (479-2, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

kanthay maalaa jihvaa raam.

The mala is around my neck, and the Lord's Name is upon my tongue.

shMs nwmu lY lY krau slwmu ]3] (479-2, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

sahaNs naam lai lai kara-o salaam. ||3||

I repeat the Naam, the Name of the Lord, a thousand times, and bow in reverence to Him. ||3||

khq kbIr rwm gun gwvau ] (479-2, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

kahat kabeer raam gun gaava-o.

Says Kabeer, I sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord;

ihMdU qurk doaU smJwvau ]4]4]13] (479-3, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)

hindoo turak do-oo samjhaava-o. ||4||4||13||

I teach both Hindus and Muslims. ||4||4||13||

[Khalsa4ever]

Waheguroo jee ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo jee kee Fateh!

But mann_kaum_layee_kurban veerjee, that is the point I am trying to make. By what we NOW deem "hindu" and "muslim", the bhagats and sheiks in our SGGS didn't make good muslims and hindus in that they focused on naam, bani, and pyaar, and eliminated idol worship and other 'rituals'. But that is what may be considered "true" to any religion: I mean even now as we speak there are some so-called-sikhs out there who still follow many anti-panthic things like idol worship, extra gurus and stuff like that. But of course they don't represent what a "true sikh" should be.

Waheguroo jee ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo jee kee Fateh!

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

khalsa4ever, brother, i understand what you are saying but in islam circumcision is puratan maryada for muslims carried over from the original semetic faith, judaism. SGGS promotes the religion of Naam, which is common to all mankind. some hindu bhagats, and muslim faqirs were fortunate enough to experience this Naam and that is why their baani is in SGGS ji.

Just like amrit or khande da pahul is mandatory for a Sikh, Hajj, fasting, etc is mandatory for a Muslim. These things are denounced by SGGS ji. Hindus don't have set maryada as they are a vast group of vedic traditions clumped together into a faith called hinduism.

My only suggestion is for all of us to read baani. Personally I was surprised how un-hindu the bhagats really were and how un-muslim the faqirs really were. The whole concept of shabad guru made a lot more sense.

peace, bro.