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They you go sumed up in a few words.

But What I will say there is no entering the gates of heaven with-out Amrit from the SAT-GURU, in Gurbani it is says its the rule God has made (Vatavarn).

No one apart from Guru Nanak has ever enterd the Gates of heaven without Amrit as he was summond by the Almighty.

Told to me by the late Giani Amolak Singh

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Quick question out of curiousity, are u specifically referring to the amrit as in khanday dhi pahul or amrit in the general sense of naam simran, shabad-roopi gunn? It is important to understand the difference between the two. Thanx

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WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Sorry about this, as i said before my knowledge on Sikhi is limited can someone explain this:

If the naam can only be obtained by the Guru, and no one can find God without the naam, then how can other people from other faiths lead to God/salvation?

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

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It is absolutely true that naam can only be obtained by the Guru. No one can deny this. The problem arises when we make the term guru to refer solely to Nanak and the 9 successors after him. Guru is not a specific person or entity which only belongs to the Sikh faith. The Guru exists for humanity and has existed long before the arrival of any faiths on this planet, including Sikhi. Sikhi is merely the culmination and epitome of the Gurus teachings. The teachings of the GUru are not the property of any one particular faith, and nor is only one specific religion the only one that benefits from the Guru.

The true guru has existed since mans begnining. Even Nanak bowed down and sought the guidance of this guru. We read everyday in jap ji sahib:

gurw iek dyih buJweI ]

The Guru has given me this one understanding:

sBnw jIAw kw ieku dwqw so mY ivsir n jweI ]5]

there is only the One, the Giver of all souls. May I never forget Him!

so which guru is nanak referring to here? Obviously it was not any physical human being because nanak was the first human manifestation of the guru. The guru that nanak was referring to here was the shabad-roopi gyaan. I.e. the understanding, the gyaan which enables one to realize god. It was this gyaan which nanak sought and was blessed with and after this gyaan came to reside in him, he served as a voice for inner gyaan (guru) within him.

This gyaan is the guru. For a sikh this gyaan is achieved thru the reading and understanding of gurbani, that is why we call gurbani our guru. However, a sikh does not have monopoly on the guru, for the guru serves to help all of humanity unite with god. THus any person who is truly committed and devoted to the worship of the One God can attain this gyaan (guru) thru the blessing of God. One only has to have the love and humility to submit to the guru and seek their guidance. This is how guru nanak achieved this gyaan and united with God for nanak himself writes:

hau bilhwrI siqgur crxw ]

I am a sacrifice to the feet of the True Guru.

guru boihQu sbid BY qrxw ]3]The Guru is the boat; through the Shabad of His Word, the terrifying world-ocean is crossed over.

Obviously he is not talking of himself, but the shabad-roopi gyaan as the guru. And since this gyaan is merely a guide and aid to realize God, and God resides in every single being, then every being is cpable of uniting with god and achieving salvation regardless of his background or faith, so long as he is true.

BIqir eyku Anyk AsMK ]

The One Lord dwells within the various and countless beings.

krm Drm bhu sMK AsMK ]

There are so many rituals and religious faiths, their number is innumerable.

Thus yes, naam is the saviour of man, and naam is attained thru the guru. But naam is available to all and the guru is available for all as well. Both naam and guru are without any caste, creed, religion or background. They are both merely the emobidment of truth and love.

This is why Guru Nanak never preached like all other faiths do, that one has to follow his particular path to achieve salvation. Guru Nanak said that anyone can achive this salvation if he or she focuses his mind in constant remembrance of God and enshrines all his or her thoughts, words and deeds with Love for his Lord. Such a person who lives in this state of purity and truth can reach the lord regardless what faith they follow, cuz deep within their hearts their faith is all the same - to love and worhsip god. This is why bhagat kabir, bhagat farid, bhagat namdev, etc all those bhagats long before nanak are given the same status as the gurus cuz they all followed the same mission regardless of their backgrounds.

This whole message of the universalit of naam is summed up beautifully by guru nanak himself:

ivxu nwvY vykwir Brmy pcIAY ]

Without the Lord's Name, life is worthless. Through doubt, the people are being destroyed.

rwh dovY ieku jwxY soeI isJsI ]

One who recognizes that all spiritual paths lead to the One shall be emancipated.

kuPr goA kuPrwxY pieAw dJsI ]

One who speaks lies shall fall into hell and burn.

sB dunIAw subhwnu sic smweIAY ]

In all the world, the most blessed and sanctified are those who remain absorbed in Truth.

isJY dir dIvwin Awpu gvweIAY ]9]

One who eliminates selfishness and conceit is redeemed in the Court of the Lord.

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because nanak was the first human manifestation of the guru

Hard to stomach this that Guru Nanak Dev ji was the First Manifesation of Guru..wat bout others like Krishna, Buddha, Kabir, Ravida,Zarathusta, Meera, Jesus, Mahavira etc etc ????

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because nanak was the first human manifestation of the guru

Hard to stomach this that Guru Nanak Dev ji was the First Manifesation of Guru..wat bout others like Krishna, Buddha, Kabir, Ravida,Zarathusta, Meera, Jesus, Mahavira etc etc ????

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u know pajee divine...hard to stomach! this....you may be right but it so seems like sumtimes that you so against gurmat principles that it hurts you even.

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because nanak was the first human manifestation of the guru

Hard to stomach this that Guru Nanak Dev ji was the First Manifesation of Guru..wat bout others like Krishna, Buddha, Kabir, Ravida,Zarathusta, Meera, Jesus, Mahavira etc etc ????

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I think u misinterpreted what i was trying to say. What i meant was that nanak was the first human manifestation of the guru amongst the 10 physical vehicles who carried the guru within them during the formalization of Sikhi (i.e. from Guru nanak to guru gobind singh ji). Each succeeding guru had a guru who existed before them in the embodiment of a human except for nanak. The guru which nanak learned from existed solely in the form of shabad roopi gyaan, there was no physical being to teach him this as there were for the gurus which succeeded him. Yet Guru nanak repeatedly refers to his guru in his writings, seeking his guidance and blessing. This shud make it clear that the guru is not any physical being nor has it ever been. That is what i meant when i said no human manifestation of guru existed before Nanak which he attained gyaan from. I agree though that perhaps i could have used better wording to try and explain this.

By the way i did later in that same post state that the bhagats (like kabir) are regarded in the same light as guru nanak, and in order for that to be true obviously they too had to have attained the same gyaan. My whole post was centered on trying to make the point that the guru IS NOT confined solely to the body of nanak. I think perhaps u may have taken my statment bit too literaly and out of context. Regardless, I do apologize for any confusion i may have created.

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