Patka, Keski Dastar Or None?

[jss]

if the rehit of keski/dastar was the same for men and women..

i wonder why the rehitnama would have an extra line for Women...and i nthat extra line for women doesn't say anything about dastaar...instead just says they should have joora and the kes not left open...

kind of throws out the argument for dastaar if being based on that rehitnama...

[singhni84]

Maybe it's for extra emphasis, to really drill the point home for women too. From the first two lines though, it's clear that it's directed at anyone wishing to take Amrit, not just Singhs.

And you can't overlook the other evidence presented by Tarunjeet Singh's earlier post. It makes no sense whatsoever to argue that women don't require a dastaar.

[atl singh]

amrithdahri bibian who want to follow full rehit must not just cover their heads but wear a Keski. done.

[Heera Singh]

amrithdahri bibian who want to follow full rehit must not just cover their heads but wear a Keski. done.

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singh making a statement like that is all good...but u gotta back it up.... can't just say that an expect people to listen...

[simmal tree]

vaaheguroojeekaakhaalsaa

vaaheguroojeekeefatheh !!!!!

in the rehatnama above by pyare bhai daya singh jee, bhai sahib jee says that anybody who wants to take amrit, at the amrit sanchaar they should first be wearing a kachhera, put their kes in a joora and wear a dastaar, and wearing a sri sahib with gatra should stand with hands folded. they should tie their joora in the middle of their head and tie a large pug (dastaar).

in addition (i think it is implied that the following is rehit for when they become amritdhari) they should keep their kes covered, do kanga twice a day, and tie their pug (dastaar) chuN kay.

all of the above particularly applies to BOTH MEN AND WOMEN,

then bhai sahib jee says, women should tie joora and not keep their hair open.

even though this is TO WOMEN, it also applies to men, because also men should tie joora and not keep their hair open - as per the directions above.

however it is a necessary double instruction because it was (and still is) prevalent for women to keep their hair down (open) instead of tying a dastaar.

the entire rehitnaamaa is from pyare bhai daya singh jee to all khalsas, and therefore if you have shardaa and prem for bhai sahib jee's bachans you can trust that dastaar is equally important and necessary for both singhs and kaurs.

bhai sahib jee has not stated the word keski, but pug and dastaar. for me these are three words with similar meanings, the bottom line is that all gursikhs should wear dastaar according to this rehatnama.

please forgive my mistakes

vaaheguroojeekaakhaalsaa

vaaheguroojeekeefatheh !!!!!

[jss]

i think it is highly irresponsible and arrogant to try to put words into the mouths of great gurmukhs like bhai daya singh...i'm seeing people saying...oh he meant that women have to wear dastarrs...but it really isn't said explicitly...the only instruction that is specifically aimed at women doesn't even mention the dastaar...people are saying oh well..he was trying to clarify for them...but if he WAS trying to clarify...why wouldn't he clarify it in totality and say the word dastaar in addition to the joora?..hence the debate...

and whoever said all gursikh amritdhari bibian are required to wear dastaars...that's just laughable...i'll show you some amritdhari gursikh bibian without dastaars who follow such rehit that will make us all cry...

plus...whoever said that...shows how arrogant they are...especially when in the panthic maryadas keski isn't required...how are we above the panth all of a sudden...and then claim to be panthic....seems pretty counterintuitive...

i'm not saying women shouldn't wear keski....i love seeing my bhens in keskis..i think it is something that takes a lot of courage to do...however...i am not convinced at all that it is a requirement...and most panthic sikh organizations have taken the stance that it isn't required...

[singhni]

jhakh bolan kiaa jag sio vaadh ||

Why do you speak such nonsense, and argue with the world?

jhoor marai dhaekhai paramaadh ||

You shall die repenting, when you see your own insanity.

[amarjeet_singh_1699]

jhakh bolan kiaa jag sio vaadh ||

Why do you speak such nonsense, and argue with the world?

jhoor marai dhaekhai paramaadh ||

You shall die repenting, when you see your own insanity.

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as long as your nice to everyone all the time, nothing else matters.

just remeber BE NICE.

[Heera Singh]

thus far this has been by far the most CIVILIZED ... discussion on rehat... please lets keep it that way...

[proud_to_be_singhni]

I'm a singhnee who wears a distaar..you guys know that by now.

BUT I Agree.....ultimately if we look at all the facts and evidence the distaar is Not necessary..the evidence is there, what further proof is required....choosing to ignore won't change facts...we can all argue as much as we want.

My sisters that don the distaar are beautiful and so are the ones that don't...but I agree chunni...Just chunni alone is Not suffient coz it keeps slipping off....Joora is needed so that means covering it will also be required with chunni on top. However (playing devils advocate here..muhahha)....the bibi will not necessary be tyar-bar-tyar for battle coz will she look after the chunni or fighting the opponents.

It may come down to sharda..bibian wanting to and having the prem pyar to look like maharaj ji...'khalsa mero roop hai khaas' and wear the crown...I know I sure do. And its such a blessing to be able to wear the distaar.

But lets not knock those that don't. My mum doesn't wear a dostaar...she does waer patka and chunni. She's taght me a lot and I still learn from her.

vaheguroo. Ive been arguing both sides here....take your pick. Neither seems wrong...no use arguing.