Sikh Gutka

[S1ngh]

Why all gutkaees "Nitnem" are not similar in text?? :umm:

I have two gutka and not alll bani are same by word to word.. One has three or five page extra bani in it while other doesn't... why is that?

[Pheena]

I was searching for somethign else but found this...

http://members.pgonline.com/~mpurewal/chapter02.html

8. In some Gutkas, why are the Banis and Ardas longer than normal?

All Gutkas have the same length of Banis in them. It is only in the case of Rehras that a

few Gutkas have a couple of additional Shabads. Ardas of course is different in different Gutkas

because it was written by different persons. We should all follow the standard Ardas and Rehras

written in the Gutkas printed by the Gurdwara committee, Amritsar and the Sikh Missionary

College, Ludhiana.

Differences in Rehras have history behind them. This Bani was originally known as

So-Dar. The title Rehras however became popular later on, perhaps because of the live - Har

Keerat Hamri Rehras -- in the fourth shabad. The Rehras approved by the Khalsa Panth and

mentioned in the Sikh Reht Maryada Tract and regularly read at Akal Takhat consists of:

a) i) So-Dar ii) So-Purkh. Nine Shabads in all as mentioned in the Guru Granth Sahib before the

start of Ragas.

B) Chaupai including Swaya and Dohra from Dasam Granth.

c) The Rehras is concluded by reading the first five and last Pauri of Anand Sahib, followed by

the last Slokas in the Guru Granth Sahib.

Addit

ions to the above prescribed Paath and reasons for them:

In every Gurdwara people get together for evening Diwan callled So-Dar Diwan. Before

starting the So-Dar Bani recitation, it was common (it is practiced at Akal Takhat and many other

Gurdwaras even now) to sing some Shabads. When the Kirtan starts, Sangat knows that it is

time for So-Dar recitation. They gather there and listen to the Kirtan of the Shabads before the

start of the Rehras Paath. This helps tuning their minds to Gurbani. At the fixed time the Kirtan is

stopped and a Sikh recites the Paath.

Wherever Kirtan could not be sung in a Gurdwara, because of the non-availability of the

Ragis there, the Sangat would jointly recite Shabads in rhythm. This would give Sikhs time to sit,

settle and concentrate their minds before the start of reciting Rehras.

Later, when printing of Gutkas started, the Shabads commonly read by the Sangat were

also printed along with the Rehras. This was to facilitate the correct singing of Shabads before

starting the Rehras. However, having sung these Shabads over a long period of time, Sikhs

mistakenly assumed the Shabads to be a part of Rehras. As different Sangats recited different

Shabads to their liking, the contents and hence the length of the Rehras became different

accordingly.

To remove this misunderstanding, the Sikh Reht Maryada expressly states that Rehras

Paath starts from the Shabad So-Dar and ends at Salok Mahala 5: Tera Keeta ... Anything

printed before So-Dar or after Mahala 5 is not a part of Rehras.

Some Sikhs, however, made many more additions on their own after the Chaupai. The

Khalsa Panth have decided not to include any of them as a part of Rehras. They are not allowed

to be read as a part of Rehras.

Even a little attention paid to the meaning of additional couplets chosen from Avtar

Kathas easily proves that their reading as a part of Rehras is wrong. For example, one couplet

tells that Vishnu devotees face no problems while th

e other couplet contradicts it saying that one

should not pray to Vishnu, Krishan or other gods. Basically, the message of many of the added

couplets is against the directions of Gurbani. They were picked up from the stories of Hindu

Avtars included in a compilation now called Dasam Granth.

The Gutkas published by the Gurdwara Committee, Amritsar and other such

organizations have the correct Rehras Paath. Only the Gutkas published by the private printers

include extra Shabads after Chaupai. This is against the ruling of the Reht Maryada.

Instead of agreeing with the scholars and the orders of the Guru Khalsa Panth, some

Sikhs argue that reading extra Bani is more beneficial. Hence, they think that they are “better”

Sikhs than those who read the standard Rehras. One is welcome to read as many hymns as he

wishes to but no individual has a right to make any additions to the approved Rehras Paath. It

should be read as directed. Other Banis can be read whenever one wants, but not as a part of

the Rehras.

[Mkhalsa]

They were picked up from the stories of Hindu

Avtars included in a compilation now called Dasam Granth.

"compilation"??

hmm seems a bit kala afghanaish to me.. :umm:

[Guest Akaal108]

Great Mkhalsa,

now rejection of dasam guroo durbar...

have you read it???

if you cant find the importance of it...why read benti chaupie, saavya and jap sahib ji???

[Mkhalsa]

LOL!!

did you even read what i said?

I said that article is ridiculing dasam granth sahib.. and that ridiculing dasam granth sahib sounds like someone who is supporting kala afghana who doesnt beleive in dasam granth..

do you get it now?

please read carefully before posting blatant attacks like that..

[Guest Akaal108]

sowwie my bad purkha

too much coofee today :umm: @ :umm: @

[Vir Singh]

N30 Singh,

Singhs :e: don't drink coffee and Chah. We only drink Sumundar.

[Guest Akaal108]

N30 Singh,

Singhs :e: don't drink coffee and Chah. We only drink Sumundar.

do night shift sometimes ... neind aun lag jandeee aaa :umm: @ :umm: @

[Mkhalsa]

Need kyo aaaeeeeeee

[Pheena]

They were picked up from the stories of Hindu

Avtars included in a compilation now called Dasam Granth.

"compilation"??

hmm seems a bit kala afghanaish to me.. :umm:

please elaborate, i didnt' even read teh whole quote before i posted it :umm: