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  1. Are Naamdhari Sikhs

    Sant ji is saying that Naamdharis twist Gurbani where Gurbani uses the word Naamdhari and Sant. Sant ji goes further and says a Naamdhari came to where he was and was asking about Dasam Bani. Sant ji didn't know he came, but Sant ji says, if i knew i would have given this Naamdhari a proper response. Sant ji goes further and says ask the Naamdhari how many Gurus they have and they will tell you we have 16 or 17. Then Sant ji says, why is this Naamdhari coming here to ask us about Dasam Bani when they don't even believe in Dasam Bani (Sant ji is saying why don't you go ask your Guru, since you call him a Guru, he must know everything...Sant ji is showing how ignorant these Naamdharis are). Further they distort Gurbani by saying a Sant is born in one place that is special to them. So Sant ji ask these Naamdhari, what about the Sant that are born in different areas like Amritsar are they fake? Again Sant ji says the Naamdhari don't believe in Dasam Bani, so who gave them the right to come and ask us about Dasam Bani when you don't believe in the Gurus. Then Sant ji says if this Naamdhari has faith in Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj, then we will tell you the answer pretaining to Dasam Bani. Further Sant ji says beloved Sikhs of the Guru, no human can be the Guru. ONly the tenth Guru can be the Guru, and the ten Gurus along with Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj. The Naamdharis go gone about Bhai Ram Singh and try to prove their points they are right by stating what Bhai Ram Singh did. But Sant ji says, Bhai Ram Singh was Amritdhari (wore a gathra and Kirpan). Sant ji says i have proof of Bhai Ram Singh that he was Amritdhari. The proof he has is Baba Gurbachan Singh ji has done his sangat and their is tapes made of this. Also Baba Gurbachan SIngh ji and Bhai Ram Singh ji lived like brothers and treated each other like brothers. Sant ji then goes further and says Bhai Ram Singh was Amritdhari and a Gursikh that was fearless, also did his nitnem. So i ask the Naamdhari, where are your Kirpans? You say you follow Bhai Ram Singh, so follow him and wear Kirpans. Next Sant ji says we should never slander a Gursikh like Bhai Ram Singh who accepted Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj as Guru and was a Amrithdari. You, Naamdharis now do all these rituals and go against Gurmat. Now the Naamdharis say that their fourteenth Guru is Jagjit. Since you Naamdharis say he is a Guru, then get him to stop the rock like Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj did. Tell him to get a plant that is sour to become sweet like Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj did. Sant ji lastly says if this Jagjit guy can, then i'll accept him as Guru (obvious this Jagjit guy can't and is misleading people). These are all manmat things these Naamdharis are doing and the recording end there, but Sant ji was still saying more about these fake people.
  2. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Recently I have been getting asked by Naamdharis to show where the Guru ordered that there should be no more Gurus after Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. I told them how the Guru clearly said: "Sabh Sikhan ko hukam hai, Guru maneyo Granth", but they want authentic writings and proof, even though this is a basic accepted fact in the Khalsa Panth. The Naamdharis also ask to show where Gurbani says Sikhs cant have human Gurus after SGGSJ. Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji clearly says: Fourth Mehl: ਗੁਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਜੋ ਸਿਖੁ ਅਖਾਏ ਸੁ ਭਲਕੇ ਉਠਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥ One who calls himself a Sikh of the Guru the True Guru shall rise in the early morning hours and meditate on the Lord's Name. ਉਦਮੁ ਕਰੇ ਭਲਕੇ ਪਰਭਾਤੀ ਇਸਨਾਨੁ ਕਰੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਰਿ ਨਾਵੈ ॥ Upon arising early in the morning, he is to bathe, and cleanse himself in the pool of nectar. ਉਪਦੇਸਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪੁ ਜਾਪੈ ਸਭਿ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਪਾਪ ਦੋਖ ਲਹਿ ਜਾਵੈ ॥ Following the Instructions of the Guru, he is to chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. All sins, misdeeds and negativity shall be erased. ਫਿਰਿ ਚੜੈ ਦਿਵਸੁ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਗਾਵੈ ਬਹਦਿਆ ਉਠਦਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥ Then, at the rising of the sun, he is to sing Gurbani; whether sitting down or standing up, he is to meditate on the Lord's Name. ਜੋ ਸਾਸਿ ਗਿਰਾਸਿ ਧਿਆਏ ਮੇਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਸੋ ਗੁਰਸਿਖੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥ One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind. ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਦਇਆਲੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਮੇਰਾ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਤਿਸੁ ਗੁਰਸਿਖ ਗੁਰੂ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ਸੁਣਾਵੈ ॥ That person, unto whom my Lord and Master is kind and compassionate - upon that GurSikh, the Guru's Teachings are bestowed. ਜਨੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਧੂੜਿ ਮੰਗੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਗੁਰਸਿਖ ਕੀ ਜੋ ਆਪਿ ਜਪੈ ਅਵਰਹ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ ॥੨॥ Servant Nanak begs for the dust of the feet of that GurSikh, who himself chants the Naam, and inspires others to chant it. ||2|| The definition of a "Sikh" in Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is very universal and can be applied by anyone regardless of which faith they were born into. This definition is also "orthopraxic" as its defined by the active practice, rather than "belief". The SGGSJ doesn't litterally state that its the last Guru for Sikhs, and Namdharis are using this as a loophole. So my question to the Sangat is how do we counter these Naamdhari arguments? If you have any sources on the Guru ordering SGGSJ as the last Guru please send it.
  3. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Something Daas wanted to know was how exactly did people start believing in Ram Singh as a Guru, when he himself said these statements: http://www.namdharitruth.info/history/baba-ram-singh-sikh-of-sri-guru-granth-sahib/ Also from what Daas has learned about him he was somewhat more interested in helping the path of Gurmat than to divide from it, (in fact from some Gurmukhs Daas has heard that he was some Mahapurukh who just happened to get his teachings corrupted). Many of the first Naamdharis of Ram Singh also considered Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as Satguru, and Ram Singh even said that he was a servant to the Guru. Even giving Amrit to at least 1000000 people according to the Khalsa Panth. So why did people start believing he was the light of the Guru? Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
  4. http://dailysikhupdates.com/namdhari-head-expels-thakur-dalip-singh-for-pledging-to-join-khalsa-panth/ Opinions please, any truth here or is it politically motivated stunt?
  5. ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤੇ I've been invited to a naamdhari wedding of someone I work with. It is going to be at 5am in the morning starting with Asa Di Vaar before the Ananj Karaj. Would it be wrong if I went? In my opinion I'm going to go for the Keertan. Sangats input will be much appriciated