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  1. Is Sikhism really hijacked by Jattism ?

    I remember a video went viral in 2010 or something in which an angry Dalit Buddhist/Sikh lady was seen giving angry speech in a funny punjabi accent, complaining about how Sikhism was hijacked by the same baahmanwaad that it aimed to eradicate. and how Sikhism was not really separate ideologically from Buddhism. She was perhaps a neo-buddhist and Ambedkar follower named Kamlesh Ahir. Kamlesh Ahir's speech was mostly about woes of so-called low castes being denied active participation in indian religions. And how sikh gurus tried to revive Buddhas ideals of casteless society equal for all, but that Sikhism was failed by Sikhs themselves. I agree with her only partly! In this video, the same lady (in funny frantic voice) is heard complaining about how Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar wanted to convert to sikhi along with his 5 million followers but was let down by Jatt-dominated Akalis who feared losing control of harmandar sahib. So as a result Ambedkar ji had to convert to Buddhism along with his followers and they also burnt manusmriti , a hindu text which is still celebrated by buddhists in india as "manusmriti dahan diwas". The lady also complained about how Sikhs don't want chamaars, Ravidasias , Valmiks and other downtrodden along with them , and as a consequent Sikhi is not really spread . (Khalsa college of mumbai of which I myself am an alumni is a really cool college founded by Babasaheb Ambedkar himself). So I will give her credit. Anyways, coming to point , Is Sikhi really totally dominated by Jatts , esp when it comes to filling top clergical and administrative posts in SGPC gurudwaras ?? If so , its a really shame for our panth. We need to introspect deeply. We feel delighted at sight of white/black sikhs , then why we should feel hesitation to accept downtrodden low-castes of india who will benefit from sikhi the most. You can hear her here (again I don't agree with her at times , and she sound really bullsshit sometimes, but she does make a point about casteism in sikhi) :
  2. VJKK VJKF I am really confused because Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj said that in Sikhi there is no caste system so why do people still mention: Jatt etc especially in films I mean you get films called: Jatt & Juliet and this makes me wonder why people still hold on to this mindframe. We are all equal in Sikhi so why the castes? I don't believe in this sort of unfair mindset. I did not mean to offend anyone that was not my intention. VJKK VJKF
  3. I know sikhs dont believe in the caste system, however can anyone tell me the following surnames what caste they belong to? Moore Virdi Khaira Thanks
  4. Help marriage issue

    Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh Sangat please help me with this problem i am having. I am from the UK, and my family is sikh. Although i do not believe in caste because i follow sikhi, my family is chamar. I met a girl while studying at university and we became friends, however this accidentally blossomed into love without meaning for it to. She is also sikh, but her family is Jatt, and they are very casteist. Although she herself does not believe in caste because she also tries to follow sikhi, her family believe in it strongly. Now we all know here that there is no jaat paat in Sikhi, is there a way to convince her family? I have met them before just as her friend and they assumed i am Jatt because they think I look like one. My and my family do not fall into any stereotypes they may have about lower castes for example: we are all fair skinned, we follow pure sikhi, we are relatively well off etc. I am very well educated, i have a good job and i get told that i am a very good natured and caring person. Another issue i have is her parents have said that she can marry a Jatt or a Tarkhan but not a Chamar. Surely marrying out of caste to any different caste should be treated the same. Please help with how to resolve this, and give me any advice you can. Thank you
  5. Lost the one I love

    Not sure where to start but I really liked this girl or woman should I say. I think it was love at first sight. I had never had this experience before. This girl was the woman of my dreams. Highly educated professional. unbelievablbly beautiful and respectful. Not like those rude and obnoxuous clubbing type of girls who I generally tend to meet these days. She was beautiful both inside and out. The only issue is that she came from a so called higher caste (Jatt) and not only that she was Doctor. Hence I dont think I would ever have been good enough. Seeing as I had a normal day to day job. She came from a wealthy background also. I like her but did not even ask her out as I knew what the answer would be or I knew she would eventually turn me down knowing I was not in her league in terms of occupational and social standing. Also there is the fact that I am not from her caste. Her family would never have accepted me. Hence I did not pursue anything with her. I did not want to create any problems in her life with her family. So I just accepted I was not good enough and moved on with my life. Hoping in the mean time she would find someone who would make her happy. As that is all I wanted more then anything. Anyway I recently discovered she got married to another very wealthy Doctor. When I saw the pics it made very happy to see her find someone who looks to be good and decent person. But at the same time it kind of hurts as I would have liked to marry her. Although seeing her so happy. Im just glad she is happy as that is all I want.Aeeing pics of her parents so happy and all her family over the moon. But I am just thinking of what could have been and am struggling to get over her.
  6. Caste in Sikh Minds

    Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Can anyone explain logically why caste still exists in our Panth? Especially among those who tell everyone caste doesn't exist to the outside, but when it comes for actually putting it into practice they forget everything about the right side. There are Hindus today who value their personal caste less than some Sikhs which is just depressing if you asked anyone. Also how can we logically combat this idea in some old-aged Pakhandis minds. Especially among Pakhandidharis, (those who took Amrit yet still keep Non-Sikh practices), which makes people question the need for Amrit. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
  7. Demystification of the Bhat Sikhs There have been many things said on this website that have profoundly shocked me. The comments made on other Sikh communities due to differences in traditions and customs is sickening. Which has led me to making this topic page. 1• The Bhats are probably the most unfamiliar branch of Sikhs within the wider community. 2• The Bhats aren't the most numerous sub-community. 3• The Bhats came from Rajasthan. Not Central India. There has been Sri Lankan admixture in the last few generations 3• The term "Bhat" comes from the scholarly occupations which would be undertook by many of the community. 4• The Bhat women have been stereotyped of not been given the same freedom of women from the Jat community, however in many of the cities dominated by the Bhat Sikhs, there are far more Bhat girls in college and university then Bhat boys. This is indisputable in the city I live in; Preston. 5• The Bhats have been stereotyped as (Landless, Peddling, Dark-Skinned, Gypsies) when in fact many of the Bhats possessed land in West Punjab. This is the case for my grandfather's family and countless other Bhat families across Britain, who lament the loss of their land in modern-day Pakistan. 6• The Bhats like many Indian communities have a varied range of skin colour. My extended family have Light-skin; it depends on Clan Ancestry. The men are usually darker than the women. But this is universal for all Asiatic people. 7• Most Bhat Gotras are of Rajasthani Jat, Ahir, Gujjar, Raigar and Rajput origin. •Suwali- Suwāl (Rajasthani Jat) •Rathor- Rathor (Rajasthani Jat) •Roudh- Roudh (Rajput, Jat). •Gujhral- (Gujjar) •Digwal- Digwal (Raigar) •Thariwal- Thariwal (Rajput, Jat) •Tak- Tak (Rajput) The Seven Clans mentioned above all from patrilineal descent have Light Skin,whereas the other Clans are Darker-skinned. These Clans are descended from the same Indo-Iranians who migrated to India millenia ago. There has been certain admixture with Sri Lankans, as a group did travel back to Punjab with Baba Nanak Ji. This would explain the Darker-skinned Bhats. The Bhats are a hybrid community of Sri Lankan and North Indian heritage. Which I find exceptionally remarkable, if one considers the nature of Indian society at the time. I recently undertook a DNA Test with 23&Me, my paternal haplogroup is (R1a1), then afterwards I then uploaded the raw files into a Gedmatch calculator called (Harappaworld.) I received results which showed that I was a mixture of 29.03% South Indian/ 39.57% Baloch/ 16.44% NE/ 23.61% Caucasian/ 2.35% Others. My South Indian ancestry is very ancient it seems as it suggests my Indo-Iranian ancestors married Indigenous women, which I've heard is common in all Indian ancestries. I don't have Sri Lankan ancestry it seems which can be explained as my grandfather told me his grandfather disliked mixing with Banjar Bhats and only mixed with the Shehri Bhats. I looked online to see what people of other communities got. And I got higher Eurasian scores and lower South Indian scores than Jats and Brahmins. My genetic composition was similar to Rajputs, Haryana Jats, Uttar Pradesh Brahmins and Kshatriyas. My Gotra is Suwali and I'm the Lighest Asian employee out of two Jats, a Roma Gypsy, a Pakistani and a Gujarati Muslim. The origins of Bhats comes out of other Indo-Aryan tribes, there is no mention of Bhats before the 19th Century. Theres been admixture with Sri Lankans and intermingling between countless tribes in the community. The Bhats are a conglomeration of clans descended from Indo-Aryan tribes. My DNA test is enough evidence for me. If other people want to think we are dark skin, fortune telling gypsies from central india that's fine by me. 8• Fortune-telling and Peddling aren't the ancestral occupations of the Bhats. Many owned Shops, worked the Land, traded goods across North India and served as Soldiers pre-partition. -(My grandfather's family came from Lyalpur and were Vegetable Grocers, when he came to England he worked in a textile factory and my grandma worked in a sewing factory) Many Bhats did practise Astrology and Palmistry, however this cluster of Bhats could only mingle with one another as they weren't accepted by the Bhats who lived in the Punjab, it was these kinds of Bhats who held tightly to Hindu traditions. They're the Vaimhi type (Banjar) branch and are said to be the Sri Lankan origin Bhats. There were three branches of Bhats: Banjar, Dharmi and Shehri. The Banjar Bhats are responsible for the modern perception of Bhats, without their tarnish on the community, the Bhats would have just be a Mercantile community comparable to the Banias. They held to Hindu traditions and practises, they were of a Gypsy type nature and were Dark skinned. The Dharmi Bhats lived in the villages and towns, they were Nihangs and Amritdharis, from all Clans. They lived according to the teachings set down by the Gurus. The Shehri Bhats lived in the cities, they owned some Land, worked as Farmers and Grocers, many owned Family Businesses. They were very respectable and had good reputations. I'm descended from Shehri and Dharmi Bhats and I'm proud of their contribution to the Sikh community, however I'm very much harrowingly saddened, how the Banjar Bhats have in a few centuries destroyed our community's reputation with foreign practises. The Gotras which associate with the practises are: Bhakar, Gami, Kag, Potiwal, Landa, Lakhanpal and Digwal. Suwali, Roudh, Thariwal, Taak, Gujhral and the Rathor families across Punjab and the Diaspora are trying hard to restore the community back to its former reputation, as a Business-oriented Sikh sub-community which has no affiliation with Hindu practises. Whereas till this day other Clans especially in India continue with Vaimhi practises. I think these Bhats need to return to Sri Lanka to live with their Hindu/Buddhist cousins. • Every single Bhat girl in my family, in England, Canada & India has been allowed to go to college and university, my younger sister has a Masters in English Literature and my older sister is currently in London working as a Graphic designer, but my younger brother only got as far as college education and is doing an Engineering Aprrenticeship, which was his own choice. You cannot make a universal statement on a community if you haven't met all of them. • Bhats are not all Dark and if they are, God made them that way and Sikhs are majority a people of colour, so Dark isn't really hurtful as anyone with pigment (5%- 50% is Dark.) But for the majority of Bhats we're very Light skinned it just depends who your seeing, because I see mostly Light skinned Bhats where I live. Mind they're all from the Clans mentioned above. • Bhat Gurudwaras do not serve Bacon or Sausages in Langar, most Bhats do not even eat meat the day before, I don't know who has invented these wicked lies but they need more than old wives tales to certify their truth. • There is literature written by English ethnologists which describes Bhats as peddlars of sorts, claiming Brahmin heritage, Derived from Dakauts etc etc. Would go to pilgrimage sites and be given offerings from other castes etc etc. Wore the Janeo & Tilak etc etc. Lived in Bijnor & elsewhere in Central India etc etc. These are absolute lies, they have focused on the Banjar Bhats and ignored the Shehri and Dharmi Bhats, we aren't a united community, we have divisions. We quarrel amongst one another and our women will gossip about one another. This is only because of the division between the Bhats. Some think they're higher and regard others as lowly. In the Gurudwara, Roudh Bhats do not like to sit with Bhakar Bhats because they regard them as Superstitious and Hinduistic. They will often keep away from each other and marriages are rare between the two Clans, this is because the Roudh are a Shehri Clan and the Bhakar are a Banjar Clan. Every single Sikh Community Research Study writing in regards to the Bhats, speaks of them as: (Low Status, Peddling, Gypsies, Cut Off, Landless, Traditional, Misogynistic) However this is all due to a single branch of the community and not absolute for all the community. The Bhat story begins with Rajasthani Jat, Ahir, Gujjar, Rajput and Raigar Clans converting to Sikhism through Guru Nanak and the Sri Lankan missionaries. Many settled in the Punjab becoming his first foreign followers. They were involved in helping the transmission of the faith to the Rajput nobles and Jat rulers which resulted in mass conversions in following generations. The Bhats helped to preserve the writings of Guru Nanak and Guru Ram Das so that they wouldn't be lost. The title 'Bhat' means Scholar. They were given the name as they knew the teachings. As other castes and communities converted to Sikhism, the Bhats developed increased communalism with one another. Leading to the formation of the Bhat Sangat. The male lines were preserved through the Gotras and many old traditions inherited from Jat ancestors such as not marrying close relatives were honoured. Many Bhats practised Jathera, honouring ancestors as their Jat ancestors also did it. Being a part of their original culture before losing it through Hindu assimilation. Many Bhat ancestors died in war against the Mughals and Afghans, most of them were Shehri and became soldiers but also there were many who were Dharmi, many Jats will cry and say but there's no evidence, but you must remember there was no Bhat community even then, it was only just forming. And also remembering that Guru Gobind told his Sikhs not to use caste distinguishable surnames and only use Singh. The Banjar Bhats didn't contribute much to warfare. Which is why most people assume Bhats didn't fight in the Mughal-Sikh or Anglo-Sikh wars. The amount of Sikhs who died without remembrance is astonishing, the ones who did gain remembrance were Saints, Generals and Important Figures, who were usually Khatri or Sikh Jat. Those being the main two Sikh groups. We know Bhat ancestors died in war because many of our families still have the clothes, weapons and kangas belonging to our warrior ancestors. Many Bhats have died in 1947 as a result of Muslim rioting in West Punjab and in 1984 because of Hindu rioting. Our community has decimated from an already small cluster of Sikhs to an even smaller one. The Bhat community's reputation has been besmirched by vicious stereotyping and rumouring. The books online many people read about Bhats concentrate on small pools of the community in areas where certain types of Bhats live. Not all Bhats are the same, we're diverse, modern and rapidly changing. People need to stop rambling on about traditions and misogyny in our community which even for most Bhats are unfamiliar and unheard of. Last time I went to my Dhadhi's house on my Dhadha's birthday, my Nikki Mami didn't do Kund when she saw my Vadha Mama. No one does Kund or any kind of Rasam, this is all foreign to our family. We aren't a Banjar family with abnormal Hindu practises, we're normal Shehri Bhat Merchants. And we're proud, I hope my post has helped in dispelling some rumours. I just want us all to remember, we're all made of the same stuff, were all made of the same elements and chemical components, we look the same but were all connected through the soul. If you read the English Text scribbled in Pencil on this Image attached, you can make out the words (Bhatra Sikh,) showing most probably a Dharmi Bhat. You can't really see it in this picture, open the link for the Full Size Picture, the said Writing is at the bottom. http://sites.asiasociety.org/princesandpainters/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/K90086-10.png
  8. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! (NOT INSULTING ANY INDIVIDUAL KHATRIS OF MODERN DAY!) Something Daas wanted to know was from the time of before Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, why didn't the Punjabi Khatris defend Punjab from all the invaders that conquered Punjab, like the other Kshatriya Clans from outside Punjab, for example the Rajputs kept their idea of protecting their land as Kshatriya clans, so what prevented the Punjabi Khatris from doing the same all the years before Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji? On the one hand Bhai Gurdas mentions the clans of Bedis and Sodhis in extremely high respect, (for having the form of Vaheguru being born in them, not for merely being Khatri), but on the other side, "ਦਾਨ ਖੜਗ ਮੰਤੁ ਭਗਤਿ ਸਲਾਹੀ ॥੧੦॥ Daanu Kharhagu Mantu Bhagati Salaahee ॥10॥ दानु खड़गु मंतु भगति सलाही ॥१०॥ The real khatris is he who gives charitably, wears arms and remembers God with loving devotion." (Bhai Gurdas Vaaran 8 Pauri 10), so what exactly was there job if they didn't give their Shastars and doing Bhagti? Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
  9. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Why didn't the "Low-Caste" people in India become Sikh, especially with the values of equality and many other things within the path of Gurmat that wasn't in Hinduism or Islam, (especially with the whole superiority complex in both religions, with Indian Muslims considered less than Arab Muslims and Low-Caste Hindus being considered lower caste than Brahman Hindus?) What I'm trying to understand is why these people would just stay being treated like dogs and animals rather than accept Gurmat, (which has complete equality). There were clearly some who did become Sikhs though like the Vanjarias, and others; but there are still more low-caste Hindus than there are Brahmans. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
  10. Part II of Tisarpanth's Misconceptions Series. Here two main misconceptions are answered: 1.) Sikhi survived due to the sole efforts of the Jats and, 2.) Sikhi was a reaction against contemporary economics. To quote a few portions: 'Sikh history, and tradition, substantiates that no lapse was ever tolerated from the faith’s ideology. The names of Baba Atal Rai and Baba Ram Rai are only some of the many examples which depict the penalties imposed upon those who, for one reason or another, deviated from established norms. The former resurrected a victim of snakebite and was so sternly reprimanded by his father, the sixth Guru, that he discarded his mortal frame whilst the latter intentionally changed a line of Gurbani and was excommunicated by his own father, the seventh Guru. Summarily we can easily conclude then that it is impossible to assert that the sixth Guru who was more than satisfied to witness his own son’s demise, but could not tolerate any deviation from the faith’s ideology would concede to any demands made by the Jats.' 'Non-Sikh records mention the respect with which the Sikhs treated women, even extending courtesy and safety to those who were of their sworn foes. (19) If compared with Jat practices, historic and present, than these contrast starkly as the Jat objectification of women is a well known fact. Secondly, the Sikh ability to unite in face of a common threat historically is a well-established fact. This principle emerged out of two factors namely a channeling of all energies towards achieving a singular goal, and a singular interpretation of the faith. The Jats were and still are avid worshipers of Jatheras or shrines dedicated to some Sisyphean ancestor(s). (20) With each locality, tribe, clan, village espousing a different ancestor any ideological unity and singular channeling of energy is impossible. The establishment of Bharatpur can only be called a miracle as the Jat unity forged for it’s establishment soon disintegrated afterwards.' https://tisarpanthdotcom.wordpress.com/2016/04/24/misconceptions-ii/
  11. Ban Casteist Posters

    Heaps of threads on our forum have been ruined by casteist, backward posters who bring in caste in topics. High time they should be banned to give a strong message that SikhSangat has zero tolerance for such rogues who despite knowing Sikhi is against caste system always talk about castes.
  12. Its a huge problem in punjab, but I don't see any organizatoins speaking about or tackling issue
  13. Dear Fellow Members, I want to discuss the growing matter of casteism in Sikhism, As far as I am aware when our Guru ji created/started panth khalsa. He abolished all the evil roots of casteism in Sikh culture and he created a guideline that a sikh should be identified and known as a sikh . And there should be no place of caste system in SIkh culture. But look at us today, we are so lost in casteism itself that we are known as Jat sikhs or Khatri sikhs or ramgharia and so on (No offense to anyone) Even though we have dedicated gurudwaras to the different community here. I dont mean to harm anyone emotions here. Please pardon me if I have. But what do you all think as a sikh. Is it correct to give uprise to casteism itself in our culture which guru ji abolished. Please give me your views. And Another thing is that this issue is being promoted in regards to the marriages as well. I am a Sikh for all I know, But where ever I or my parents speak about the matrimony. The first question which is being asked is what caste do you belong to. I mean how does it matters ? If I am a jat or khatri or ramgharia, we all are sikhs and thats what should be imp. But for about 80% it matters a lot. I dont know what difference does it makes but Jatts only wanna marry in their same caste and so as ramgharias. How does it matters that if a person is a wierdo and do all sort of crazy stuff like drugs and do all kind of thngs but while marrying their daughter to him wont be an issue, only bcoz he is of their same caste. And on the other hand there is a guy like me who is educated, decent, religious person but nope, they wont marry their daughter with him only bcoz I do not belong to their caste. I have had enough of this caste system. And then there is another issue which is only because I wear a turban and don't trim my beard, most of the girls wont go for a guy like me bcoz of this reason. Its such a shamefull thing to say that people who are taking care of our Gurudwara have started registering for matrimonial alliance and they have put an option where a girl has to opt that does she needs a turbaned sikh or a clean shaven. If the gurudwara will support these actions then who is gonna stand with the gursikhs ? I mean this is the limits where these people can go. What kind of Sikh is a Clean shaven, A clean shaven person is not a sikh. He has lost the main identity of being a sikh. I have seen a lot of people who are going thru these difficulties and because of these things boys are cutting down there kesh and going out of sikhi. Please let me know your views on this. And again please if I have hurted any ones emotions, knowingly or unknowingly. Please accept my apologies.
  14. Racist Rant On Sangat Tv!

    I was quite shocked last night when I watched a programme called Derby Q & A on Sangat television. There were some really good points made by the panel and some of the speakers at Derby Gurdwara. Then with a couple of minutes to go a guy comes on with a white beard aged about 60 called bhai sucha. He goes on to compare so called lower caste people to toilet water and then says ' do you drink water from the toilet or the tap? why do you drink it from the tap? if they start improving their qualities then people will start liking them!!' I couldn't believe what I was hearing. He ruined all the good points Joga Singh had made before him. It is 2014 for Gods sake and we are still letting guys like this on Gurdwara stages!!! Even the BNP have toned down their language compared to this fascist!! Sangat Tv need to explain who this Singh was speaking on behalf of because he doesn't represent the views of the Gursikhs I have met. Some people have said he was representing AKJ who had a samagam after, whilst others are saying he is a pardhan from Kempston Gurdwara. Either way shame on him for disgracing Sikhi live on tv all over the U.K & Europe! He should apologise on air and explain they are his own views and not that of Sikhs, Gurudwaras, Sangat TV, the AKJ or whoever.
  15. Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh Sangat ij I want to bring to your attention the ever growing problem of the caste system not only among punjabi people as a whole but from those who call themselves Amritdhari We are looking for a partner for our relative who comes from an amritdhari family just as we are and we often getting asked our caste and then rejected. I will post a email conversation up that I had recently speaking with a relative of a potential partner. In it the family member says 'we are amritdhari but looking for jatt' I'd like sangats views
  16. The Punjab Cabinet approved the Backward Class (BC) status for the Jatt Sikhs of the State on 5 March 2014. With this, Jatt Sikhs will be the 70th community to be included in the category. The grant of Backward Class status to the Jatt Sikhs will enable them to get reservation in government jobs. Jatt Sikhs of Punjab had been left out of the Indian Cabinet’s decision because the Punjab government had failed to bring the community in the State Backwards Class list. A few days earlier, the Indian Cabinet decided to include the Jat community in the central list of Other Backward Classes in nine States: Himachal Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar, Gujarat, Uttarakhand, Delhi, Haryana and Rajasthan. The latest move by the Punjab Cabinet will now facilitate a proclamation by the Government of India that Jatt Sikhs are now, nationally, a Backward Class.
  17. we are all aware of the trends in present day society there is one great demon of brahminical origin that is far away form sikh principles but still has crept in sikh societies we commonly are confronted with words like - jatts,ramgharias,bhappas,khatris etc etc... and ego-clashes among them how and from where this castiesm has crept in our society ?? the society which was based on:- "manas ki jaat sabhae eko pehchaanbo" what problems and dillusions it causes in minds of sikhs??? and how should we eradicate it and tackle it in our daily life???
  18. CHANDER SUTA DOGRA The National Commission for Scheduled Castes (NCSC) has issued a notice to the Punjab Director General of Police (DGP) to investigate and reply to charges about caste-based segregation in historic gurdwaras of the State. The NCSC notice that comes on a representation by Abroo, a socio-political initiative working for empowerment of the marginalised in Punjab, was also studied by its own Atrocities and Protection of Civil Rights Wing. Abroo had commenced a project, titled ‘Punjab’s Map of Shame’, last year, after it stumbled upon what it calls several “shocking and blatant cases of apartheid happening in well-known gurdwaras” in the State. Sikhism does not recognise caste and to strive for a casteless society is one of the basic tenets of the faith. In its letter to the NCSC, Abroo founder Pukhraj Singh said though the Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee (SGPC) acknowledged existence of caste-based gurdwaras in the State, his investigation revealed cases of institutionalised and systemic segregation perpetrated by well-entrenched elements of the Sikh establishment. Calling for an investigation into these transgressions, Mr. Singh demanded that the control of such gurdwaras be handed over to provisional and progressive bodies. This would reinforce the point that gurdwaras were not merely religious bodies but centres of social upheaval; places where the common public can take charge to implement the shared ethos. Citing the Gurdwara Reform Movement of early 20th century, he said, “Spiritually-sanctioned prejudices, in a religion that abhors ritualism, is evidence of deep-rooted subversion of the Sikh philosophy and its spiritual tenets.” Commenting on these findings, SGPC president Avtar Singh Makkar said, “There is no place for caste-based discrimination in Sikhism, and if such a matter comes to our notice, we persuade them to stop it. We also issue appeals from time to time to follow the Sikh tenets.” Kiranjot Kaur, SGPC member and its former general secretary, said: “Though caste issues have always plagued Sikhism and from time to time, the SGPC has been passing resolutions that caste-based discrimination is not compatible with the basic tenets of the faith, many of these gurdwaras are not recognised by the SGPC as authentic sources for the interpretation of Sikh philosophy. Even an apex seminary like the Damdami Taksal discriminates on caste and gender.” Ms. Kaur, however, admitted that though the influence of caste had been ejected from gurdwaras after the Singh Sabha movement of the early 20th century, it has once again reared its head in the religion due to caste-based politics in recent years. Some notable examples documented in the representation to the NCSC include Sur Singh, a 350-year-old Sikh seminary in Taran Taran, where Mazhabi Sikhs (Scheduled Castes) are not only given ‘amrit’ (as part of the Khalsa baptism ceremony) from a separate utensil but are also referred to by the clergy as Chauthey Paurey Wale (people from the fourth step) to justify the discriminatory treatment. Mr. Pukhraj Singh says, “The Sikh seminary is being managed by Baba Dayal Singh, commander of Bidhi Chand Dal, one of the four battalions of the Khalsa army.” The representation further notes that in Gurdwara Raja Ram in Dhotian, Mazhabi Sikhs are barred from performing ‘langar sewa’ because “they look dirty.” The gurudwara is being run by a powerful baba, who is well-connected with the SGPC and who has been instrumental in renovating several crumbling historical Sikh shrines in recent years. It goes on to provide several other examples of caste-based injustices from gurdwaras in Sarhali, Lehra Khana and Joge Wala. Keywords: Punjab gurudwaras, caste-based segregation, National Commission for Scheduled Castes http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/probe-castebased-segregation-in-gurdwaras-panel-tells-punjab-dgp/article5422572.ece?
  19. Sat Shri Akal Sariya nu. I am a sikh and i met a girl(sikh) a month ago and i love her and so does she. we are kinda great match n similar in many aspects. we understand each other so well. Everything was going well and i told her once to tell her mom about me because i did not wanted that she should meet me by lying to her mom n come hiding every time to meet me. Basically i didn't wanted that she looses her mothers faith in her(thats whats most important in a daughter and mothers relationship). So she did tell her mom and first everything was okay and her mom told her after knowing my caste and i am not a PR of Canada that just end it right here with me and no more meeting,talking,texting. I really love her and respect that she cant go against her mother because her mother has gone through a lot in the family just because of her kids, so she doesn't want to take any step which will go against her mother from relatives sides. I respect and understand her decision of obeying her mom but why is this caste system causing problem?? I thought sikhs are either 'Singh' and 'Kaur' and guru nanak dev ji apposed the caste system then why are many sikh family still into this caste thing? She will not see me coz her mom told her to focus on studies for 3 years and its not the right time n moreover i m from different caste. I and she didn't wanted to get married until we both completed our studies and become something in life but just coz of this caste thing she cant see me or hangout with me. She talks to me thou. I told her to tell her mom that i wanted to talk to her so that i could sit and explain her how much i love her daughter and i m not marrying her or crossing my limits with her before marriage. I also wanted to tell her that we are not getting married until we finish our studies and become what we want to but she refused to talk to me. I and her our suffering coz her mom thinks that if her daughter gets married to me then their families respect is finished forever and society and relatives will trouble them and taunt them every time about her daughter marrying a guy of different caste. What the hell is all this? Even in this century people r thinking like this? I understand this might not be the right age but why cant we see each other or hang out? Its hard not the see the girl you love the most. Does anyone can help me in this that how should i take my next step or tell me your opinion?
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  21. Taken from Gurmat Bibek forum http://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,26527
  22. Follow up of : http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/70298-inn-gareeb-sikhan-kou-deu-paatishaahi/ The Dalit brothers and sisters who recently joined the Khalsa are being denied water for their fields and are being told to either cut their kesh and beard first to get water or forget about it. They are even being threatened by high caste folks to "quit" Sikhi. Once couple was even beaten up.
  23. Well I remember talking to my chachaji a while back about his meeting with the Singh who wrote the book Gandhi : Behind the Mask of Divinity (US army Colonel G.B. Singh). What G.B. Singh told was he came from a family that was very much a Brahmanistic thought. If i'm not mistaken (don't quote me on this) part of his family was Sikh and part was Hindu Brahman and he used to follow Gandhi. To cut a long story short, he understands the caste system structure and he sees how it's still a very powerful tool that makes India 'go'. His claim to bring the Sikh population up again is to do what Sikhs have been doing in the past, to empower and help the needy. In today's terms, just like in history, it's the lowest castes. The Gurus abolished casteism and even fought with the pahari rajas because they Hindu hill rajas felt they needed to enforce casteism. Despite the caste system being formally and practically abolished along with the implementation of complete gender equality by the Guru Sahiban, today we see this backward tradition crept back into the psyche of the Sikhs of surprisingly not only Punjab, but even in Sikhs living abroad. How can we help bring an end to casteism? Help empower the lower castes (Dalits and other lowe casts) in Punjab by giving them necessary supplies which include: food, medicine, educational support and establish places where people can come and listen to REAL Sikh parchar if they want to (parchar of Sach). The SGPC is corrupted in laalach and no one in Punjab really cares to an extent to organize something like this and those that do care aren't in positions where they can empower themselves to bring such a movement. G.B. Singh said if he did this he knows he would be banned from India and sent back to the USA. The reason why this isn't happening is because groups are trying to cause further division and fighting among Sikhs so we can't come to a consensus as one Khalsa Panth and move forward. I was watching a interview by Giani Pinderpal Singh ji and he said the main problem is not that Sikhi is gone in Punjab, but because Sikhs in Punjab don't have a direction and if given one they will take it. He also says that some people only tie white dastar, some only neeli, some only kesri but each flower has it's own traits and we should appreciate it. My interpretation is that we shouldn't become so hard lined in which school of thought we prescribe to when it divides us as a Khalsa Panth. The main problem isn't money, the main problem isn't being able to devote time, the main problem isn't a lack of sewadars and the main problem isn't with the average Sikh. The problem is that we see too many differences and have too much ego to come together and tackle this issue. How do we come together as one Panth and accomplish this task of helping the down trodden people of Punjab. What i think we'll find is, if we can manage to accomplish this task, it will solve many problems that we currently face
  24. WJKK WJKF! The SIKHI EXPLORED team (university students) has just published its 8th article.. This edition is on the life of BHAGAT RAVIDAS JEE and will reveal stories about his life, as told by Sant Maskeen Singh, Sant Waryam Singh and Baba Lakhbir Singh. Who was he? What did he do? Why do Sikhs show him so much respect? The article will answer these questions and use examples from His teachings and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee to tackle 'caste' issues, which are still prevalent in society today (despite the Gurus abolishing it centuries ago!) Please check it out @ www.kclsikhsoc.wordpress.com. Wjkk wjkf Other articles in the first series: 1- Martrydom of Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib Jee 2- Sahibzaada Baba Fateh Singh 3- Battle of Chamkaur 4- Saka Sirhind 5- Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee and His Gurbani 6- Complete history of Sri Harmandar Sahib 7-The life and Shaheedi of Sant Baba Deep Singh Jee 8-Bhagat Ravidas Jee Sikhi Explored, Articles by the Sikh Youth