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Just a quick note to apologise To Jag It was not my intention to stop your only outlet , I had forgotten that was the the nature of that one thread in the heat of the mudslinging between the various arguing parties . I still stand by the fact I felt the discussion was going nowhere as it was going in circles over stuff that has been brought up by Harkiran/Satkiran before on other threads and had actually degenerated into a cussing down of white newbies describing them as malech (a bit too much)and her husband for sticking up for her (isn't that what he is supposed to do?) . I don't accept her views as my own, but still in the name of openminded discussion listened to her viewpoint . She doesn't represent all white females or even all sikh females , just herself . I would have liked more input from those who could highlight Gurbani, rehit maryadas, itihaas takes on the subject because we all grow from it . That's all , it just made me sad to see my brothers give credence to the supposed misogynistic stereotype that she was promoting by being goaded by her words and retaliating at that low level .