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  1. The SGPC, as the trendsetter in the Sikh world, has ratified Dr. Sant Singh Khalsa's transliterations of Gurbani which are highly erroneous and lacking the spirit of the original Gurmukhi. Unfortunately, since the green light from the Committee, one finds Khalsa's works all over the internet and in popular literature. For those interested in utilizing proper transliterations, I suggest perusing the Mahan Kosh and older Punjab simplifications which are still available even to this day. Below I present the proper transliteration of a Shabad which is usually employed by Islamic apologia to disparage the Sikh faith. Please note that Khalsa's erroneous transliteration was also used by Basics of Sikhi whilst they were debating whether Guru Nanak Dev Ji asks Muslims to be Muslims as per their own coda or as per Gurmat. 'Salok, Mahalla 1 To call yourself a Muslim is difficult... (here the original Gurmukhi reads 'Je hoye' i.e. if one is a Muslim- an individual who has submitted to Sri Akal Purakh) only then can you call yourself a Muslim. (In the next line, Khalsa has erroneously added in 'Prophet' whereas the original Gurmukhi has no mention of any preceptor:) To be a true Muslim, accept the primal "deen" (faith- by adding primal it means the ever-existent and unsullied truth as elaborated upon in the mool-mantar) as being sweet. Akin to a maskal (a file) scarping away rust, distribute your possessions among the needy. (Here Khalsa adds in 'Muhammad.'It is crucial to note that in the Bachittra-Natak 'Muhammad' is rendered 'Mahudin' whereas the term here is 'Muhanni.') Becoming a Muslim thus, tread via the edicts of deen and all delusions of life and death will be effaced. Accepting the Doer's will and surrendering to the Creator, discard your ego. Only then will your become merciful to one and all; only then can you call yourself a true Muslim.' -ASGGS, Ang. 141. A similar sentiment is again echoed, by the first Guru, on the same ang: '(In Islam) there are 5 prayers performed at 5 times having 5 nomenclatures each. (Vis-a-vis Gurmat the five prayers are) First prayer is of truth, the second of integrity in thought and deed, the third is of wishing prosperity upon all (and not just upon the Dar-al-Islam). The fourth is of possessing clean motives and the fifth is of praise (i.e. praise of Vaheguru). With these particular 5 prayers (as elaborated upon by the Guru), utter the confession of faith, good deeds and way of living; then you are a true Muslim. Oh Nanak, the false (who do not accept these figurative prayers) obtain falsehood.' -Ibid. The structure of this particular Shabad is a 'Pauri.' For a proper understanding of the idea conveyed in a 'Pauri,' the entire passage has to be read before passing any judgement (we do not expect Muslims to know this). The conclusive Shabad, by Guru Ramdass, summarizes the 'Pauri's' main concepts: 'If an individual forsakes aggrandizement, anger, falsehood and slander- if they discard maya and efface their "I-ness." If they discard their lust and hypersexuality- then even whilst residing in the shade of illusion they can obtain the blemishless Lord. If they forsake hubris and attachment to the spouse and progeny; if they abandon the thirst for worldly possessions- if they submerge their consciousness into the giver of bliss. Says Nanak, the True One will reside in that individual's mind. Through the true Shabad, they merge into the name eternal.'
  2. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! The purpose of this question is mostly to ask why so many of those who consider themselves Sikhs get easily swayed by various groups such as RSS, Pakhandi Baba organizations, Badal, Other faiths brainwashing, and so on? The reason I wanted to know is if there is some huge mental problem that our community isn't addressing that should be addressed that we get swayed this easily, or whether our loyalty as a whole to Guru Sahib, isn't really legit and mostly Sikhs viewing themselves as merely Sikhs for being born into a Sikh family. Adding on to that is why Sikhs are more interested in keeping our Pre-Sikh traditions over the time period when we have so much better stuff as Sikhs, (I don't know if they live in pre-1469 times or post-1469)? And finally why are Sikhs as a whole getting an inferiority complex, when Punjab before anyone came there was the best society in the world, (it would have been better as a theocracy, but it's still good enough), our people are starting to have Ghulami complex to Goras and others which I don't understand why? Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
  3. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! I wanted to know if it's ever ok to just listen to Nitnem without physically doing it due to some reason? Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
  4. There are discussions going on in some threads at the moment about whether Sheikh Farid ji was a Muslim. I would like to hold these discussions in one place, partially because they are extraneous to the thread titles in those other threads, and we should let those threads discuss the specific items that the thread creators wanted to originally discuss: http://sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/80863-human-rights-in-islam/ http://sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/80838-why-muslims-should-never-be-trusted/ I propose that Sheikh Farid ji was not a Muslim at then end, whatever he may have been at some time. I started off with: S4NGH then responded with And I followed up with:
  5. Guest

    Time for paht

    Can we do Japji sahib at any time of the day(or just morning). how about other bani? Chaupai Sahib I understand Rehras is in the evening and Kirtan Sohila just before bed time.
  6. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Any solutions? It happens a lot, don't know how to fix my weak focus. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
  7. WJKK WJKF, is it just this human being who gets distracted by their mobile phones when reading bani. like responding to emails/messages, checking fb/ig posts while reading bani? Or just online shopping?
  8. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki fateh The purpose of human existence has been to merge and be one with God. One of the ways to reach God is Gurbani Kirtan. Sikhism , is the only religion that stresses completely on kirtan, as the banis of Gurus, Bhagats and Bhatts have been recorded in the holy book, Shri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Shri Guru Granth Sahib ji, the sikh Holy scripture describe the characteristics of God (almighty) throughout 1430 pages (Ang), and tell us about the description of God " GOD IS ONE, HE THE SUPREME TRUTH. He is Creator of world, without any fear and without any hate. He is neither born and neither die. He has no body, He is the greatest spirit of all and our soul is a part of Him. The Guru has pronounced that Kirtan is the magical formula to keep the human soul afloat in the dark era of Kaljug provided the devotee sings the pure melodies with his or her heart closely focused on the meaning and true spirit of the Gurbani. http://www.amritbani.info
  9. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! What's the best online version of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to read online with simple searching? I used to use Srigranth.org but that's fallen with this message: MESSAGE TO USERS: A number of websites, including srigranth.org, on this server are currently not working as the server machine had completely failed (in the beginning of Feb 2017) while machine managers were on vacation. While we are back it will take time to restore the websites. We apologize for the inconvenience. Please bear with us, as it will take some time.
  10. I came across this video and wanted to drawn attention to it. Not because I am amazed at how well this guy from Sikh voice tells the story of Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji from Bhai Gurdas ji Vaars, but how he misguides sangat. As I watched this video, I pulled up the vaar he was explaining of Bhai Gurdas ji. The Sikh voice speaker explains the reason why he is making this video and it is because a person posed a question to him. The question was asked, Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji speaks very loud and clear against the worship of a stone, so why would the Gurus write like this, Bhagat Dhanna jatt ji gained darshan of Vaheguru through a stone? This is the context of the speaker throughout the video. In the video he says, Bhagat Dhanna jatt ji was learned and knew stone worship will not lead to having darshan of Vaheguru. No where in the vaar does it say Bhagat Dhanna jatt ji knew not to do stone worship. No where in Gurbani does it say Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji knew not to do stone worship. This speaker in the video is pulling this out of thin air and its called manmat. When a person is interpreting Gurbani or Bhai Gurdas ji vaars we can pull references from each other. Also we can pull from credible history accounts. But the Sikh voice speaker is not using any reference to say Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji knew not to worship stones when speaking to the Brahman. Such ways of interpreting anything will lead to a wrong interpretation and a biased interpretation based on personal beliefs. The speaker is in panic because in his mind he is unable to find a reasonable excuse to why Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji would worship a stone. When he is unable to find a reasonable excuse, the Sikh voice speaker denies the true story and makes up his own story, even though Bhai Gurdas ji writes very clearly and direct of who is doing what and saying what. While he is interpreting bhai Gurdas ji Vaar on Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji, he purposely misinterprets lines. Let's look at the lines from the vaar which Sikh voice speaker misinterprets. https://www.sikhitothemax.org/search?q=dhanna&type=3&source=B First one: DMnw krdw jodVI mY iB dyh iek jy quDu BwvY[ After Sikh voice speaker says the following line, he ask the listener, how would Vaheguru allow a stone worshippers Bani into Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji? This guy is asking this question because in this sakhi he believes Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji is learned in how to meet Vaheguru. Which is not the case. As said above this is his manmat and no where in Gurbani or Bhai Gurdas ji Vaar or any credible history account does it say Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji was learned to not worship a stone idol and knew the way to Vaheguru. Sikh voice is upset with the fact Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji worshipped a stone (as you will see later on in the sakhi Bhai Gurdas ji explains) and can't come to terms with it. Think about this dangerous beliefs of denying history in the writing of Bhai Gurdas ji Vaar. Tomorrow they will tell us there is no where bhai Lehna ji worshipped devi because he's our second Guru and the Guru knows not to worship devi. So back to the above line. This line is being misinterpreted as: Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji is asking from the Brahman, tell it (the stone) to give me a teaching of Vaheguru. Sikh voice is speaking in Punjabi and no where in Bhai Gurdas ji vaar of the above line is Bhagat Dhanna ji mention any word that refers to Vaheguru or telling the Brahman to ask a question to the stone. Sikh voice speaker is adding it in there to change the meaning of the line. It's Sikh voice imagination running wild. The correct interpretation of the line is: Dhanna makes a humble request: give me one, if you agree. (the last word in the line can't be given one word in English. Now, can anyone tell me where did Bhai Gurdas ji use any word in the line to refer to Vaheguru? Next the Sikh voice speaker says look at how Bhai Gurdas ji refers to the stone as only a stone and this is proof that Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji did not worship a stone. Bhai Gurdas ji refers to it as a stone because he knows the complete story of Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji and even says in the later lines Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji worships a stone. Plus Bhai Gurdas ji knows of Gurbani which speaks on how and why Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji met Vaheguru in this sakhi. This is just beginning, keep reading next he goes to even greater lengths to promote his manmat of wild stories. Next line says: pQru iek lpyit kir dy DMnY no gYl CufwvY[ The stone is wrapped and given to Dhanna (Bhai Gurdas didn't write Dhanna, but it's obvious from the previous line Bhagat Dhanna ji is making a request for one and in the second part of the line Bhai Gurdas ji writes Dhanna). Second half of the line continues to say, Dhanna was sent on his way after getting the stone (Bhai Gurdas ji uses the words gYl CufwvY[. From the previous line, Bhagat Dhanna ji is showing already a sign of the Brahman getting frustrated with Bhagat ji. In this line Bhai Gurdas ji clearly shows the brahman is fed up with Bhagat ji and just to get bhagat ji out of his hair, the Brahman quickly wrapped a stone and sent Bhagat ji on his way. The Sikh voice speaker goes into his vicious cycle and tries to cook up a story for these two words. He says, only those try to get rid of a person who are doing something wrong and get caught. Sikh voice thinking is stuck in a tunnel because he can't get the one thing I addressed at the beginning of this post out of his head; Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji never worshipped a stone because he already knew stone worship is wrong. In fact Bhagat ji didn't know stone worship is wrong and actually did it, as the next line of the vaar says. Twkur no nHwvwilkY Cwih rotI lY Bogu cVHwvY[ Dhanna bathed Thakur (stone) and offered it buttermilk and roti (bread). Sikh voice stuck in his vicious cycle doesn't agree with the above. Sikh voice with his imagination cooks up a story of how the brahman is showing Dhanna ji how to do service of the stone after Dhanna ji ask him. Sikh voice says Bhagat Dhanna ji is being clever here and trying to show the Brahman he is wrong. Again using his imagination from the previous lines and he keeps packing on the lies, Sikh voice adds Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji wants the brahman to show him, the brahman Thakur can speak. Sikh voice should be writing stories for children books with his wild imagination. Bhai Gurdas ji vaar are the key to Gurbani and their is a connection. But Sikh voice disregards this completely and makes up a story. Gurbani on ang 1192 says the following: https://www.sikhitothemax.org/shabad?id=4232&q=dhanna&type=3&source=all DMnY syivAw bwl buiD ] Dhanna did selfless service (seva) of Vaheguru with the understanding of a child. How can Sikh voice speaker say Dhanna knew not to worship a stone when Gurbani is saying Dhanna ji served Vaheguru with the understanding of a child? Sikh voice interpretation is void of Gurbani teachings on Bhagat Dhanna jatt ji. A child does as he is told and fully believes it from the person who is telling him. This was the mindset of Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji when he went to the brahman for learning how to worship Thakur (Vaheguru) and the Brahman misled him. Next line of the Vaar: hiQ joiV imnqW krY pYrIN pY pY bhuq mnwvY[ With folded hands and falling at the feet of the stone, Dhanna ji tried to persuade the stone of his service. Sikh voice with this line continues with his imagination and says the brahman, who wanted to get rid of Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji is begging before the stone, so Thakur will come and present himself to Dhanna ji. Next Sikh voice adds the Brahman couldn't get Thakur to come forward because the brahman made a mistake in his seva. None of this is said by Bhai Gurdas ji. It's all Sikh voice speakers manmat The reality is, the Brahman is not stupid. The Brahman knows stones don't eat or speak. The Brahman put's on a show to rest of the people so the villagers would bring Thakur (villagers think it's Thakur) food and then the Brahman would eat it behind closed doors. This is a system the Brahman have been using for a long time, yet this is not the case in this vaar. Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji is doing all these things for the stone as Bhai Gurdas ji clearly lays out in this vaar. Next line of the vaar hauN BI muhu n juTwlsW qU ruTw mY ikhu n suKwvY[ Dhanna said, “I will also not eat because how can I be happy if you are annoyed.” Here Dhanna ji get's upset with the stone and gives the stone, who he believes is Thakur (Vaheguru) an ultimatum. Yet Sikh voice speaker without any reason says the stone got upset with the brahman and the brahman is telling Dhanna ji, the stone has got upset with me, so maybe you can get the stone to eat and speak. No where does Bhai Gurdas ji write the Brhman asked Dhanna ji to get the stone to speak and eat. Sikh voice has a really wild imagination. Writing children fiction books would be a perfect job for him. Also the next line is saying Vaheguru came and ate the roti and buttermilk. gosweI prqiK hoie rotI Kwie Cwih muih lwvY[ Akal Purakh came and ate the roti and drank the buttermilk with his mouth. Bolw Bwau goibMdu imlwvY ]13] Through naivety he(Dhanna) was joined to Akal Purakh. Here Bhai Gurdas ji uses a very similar word Gurbani used on ang 1192 to say Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji realized Vaheguru and through which method. Gurbani uses "understanding of a child" and Bhai Gurdas ji uses a word best translated into English as "naïve" at the beginning of the last line of the vaar. Through naivety Dhanna was joined to Akal Purakh. Yet Sikh voice speaker makes up his own interpretation that does not fit into what Gurbani saying and doesn't even say Bhagat ji met Vaheguru as the Vaar clearly says. This is a direct story about Bhagat Dhanna ji and Sikh voice makes it about how hes unable to accept the truth Bhai Gurdas ji is stating here and goes on missionary witch hunt to twist Gurbani and purposely hide Gurbani that does not go along with his belief system. Sikh voice is a dangers person to new people coming to Sikhi through Punjabi. He has no real knowledge on Gurmat. Today I put a direct challenge to Sikh voice to come forward on this site and explain ang 1192 line I quoted and how it applies to Bhai Gurdas ji Vaar on Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji.
  11. I did a sehaj path for my education and the hukamnama was Pehal Puriye Pundrick Vana Ta Che Hansa Sagle Jana.... What does it mean? Should I take it negatively or positively? Please help.
  12. Hello i am having a lot of problems at home and in life in general and i try my best to do paath. my uncle who is very connected to waheguru said dont do paath im telliong waheguru not to listen to your paath because my mum instigated him about me. Now i am really scared will waheguru really not listen to my paath or ardaas?
  13. Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh, Sangat jee everyone share the bania and shabads which affect you guys the most and why? Let's start disucssing the greatness of Gurbani! _/\_
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    How do I Understand Gurbani?

    Hello everyone, So earlier this year my parents found a girl for me who I might marry. I am from the United States and she is from India. Her family is Gursikh and I talk to them frequently on the phone. She told me that they wished my Punjabi was better because I have trouble speaking it (pronunciation and such). So then I taught myself to read and write in Gurmukhi. However, I am still having difficulty speaking it. How can I improve my speaking skills? Since I taught myself to read and write in Punjabi, I decided to read Gurbani. I read very slow and have difficulty pronouncing some of the words, which is not a problem. However, I want to understand what our Gurus want to tell us. I do not want to read English translations because I feel as if it might take away from what the Gurus originally want us to know. Thank you
  15. WJKKWJKF Is it acceptable to throw in the garbage/recycle the pamphlets(advertising material) that usually has some gurbani words/verses printed on it? If not, what should be done. Please advise.
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  17. There was, a while ago, a rather heated debate about if its important to make a distinction between the names of god and those which are given to Hindu Deities. Which reading some really amazing articles by various intellects I came across a really good quote which should put the whole thing to rest. the link is here, for some reason I'm unable to post the Gurmukhi so https://searchgurbani.com/guru_granth_sahib/ang/1374/line/58656 A distinction is of the utmost importance, one needs to meditate on the Primordial Lord when using names such as Bhaugauti, Kalika, Ram etc. As Bhagat Ji beautifully put it, one is present in all, the other is only contained within himself.
  18. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Daas really wanted to know why some people misinterpret Gurbani to fill their own needs? This happens a lot especially by Liberal Sikhs; which Daas sometimes notices on this website. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
  19. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Why didn't the "Low-Caste" people in India become Sikh, especially with the values of equality and many other things within the path of Gurmat that wasn't in Hinduism or Islam, (especially with the whole superiority complex in both religions, with Indian Muslims considered less than Arab Muslims and Low-Caste Hindus being considered lower caste than Brahman Hindus?) What I'm trying to understand is why these people would just stay being treated like dogs and animals rather than accept Gurmat, (which has complete equality). There were clearly some who did become Sikhs though like the Vanjarias, and others; but there are still more low-caste Hindus than there are Brahmans. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
  20. Been notified by this organisation on FB thought I'd forward the info http://courses.sikhia.org/courses/grammar-of-gurbani
  21. Plz feel free to do more search on Mangal Dhillon, as there are more parts and videos in punjabi as well
  22. I was walking home when I found MANJIT WEEKLY newspaper on the street with Gurbani on it and people were stepping on it, so I picked it up. I think newspapers should stop printing Gurbani because no one knows what people end up doing with the newspaper. What do you guys think, is it okay to print?
  23. ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹ Does anyone know of any Gurbani which describes the shape of the world? I know of the pankti in Sri Sukhmani Sahib which states the world has 4 corners "nimukh mahi chaar kunt fir aave"
  24. How do I save Gurbani in iPhone or iPad and then transfer it to play in car? I know of iTunes which one has to pay for, but how about Soundcloud? Can it be transferred from Soundcloud? And there's Mymusic, but don't really want to go through the credit card filling in bit. The car does not have CarPlay, so that option won't work. Any other methods or ideas please? Lightning cable, how does that work ? Sorry not read up on it properly yet.
  25. I was asking this question because of the assumption that morality is subjective, (except Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji message). Also, Gurbani also says "ਏਕ ਨੂਰ ਤੇ ਸਭੁ ਜਗੁ ਉਪਜਿਆ ਕਉਨ ਭਲੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਦੇ ॥੧॥ एक नूर ते सभु जगु उपजिआ कउन भले को मंदे ॥१॥ Ėk nūr ṯe sabẖ jag upji▫ā ka▫un bẖale ko manḏe. ||1|| From the One Light, the entire universe welled up. So who is good, and who is bad? ||1|" (Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Ang 1349), also I've heard from many Kathas that good Karams don't cancel bad Karams, (only Naam and Bani can do that, with Gurprassad). So is there any difference from good or bad Karma?
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