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It seems to me having read articles and documents that the original operation the British SAS advised was a commando raid operation sundown type of plan but in my analysis when the Dharmi Fauj Singh's defending darbar sahib put up a fierce resistance it lead to most of the Indian special forces commando's getting killed early on in the original alleged British advised SAS plan ......so it went out the window and general brar's and general dyal started to panic clutching at straws what to do next (general brar admits in video interviews he didnt expect such resistance) and therefore ordered more troops and heavy fire power to come in around most probably 3rd June. It is quite clear from correspondence letters the British officials wrote that there was a secret Indian commando team within darbar sahib already around Feb 1984. An article in the Indian suriya magazine in 1985 alleged a high level R&AW source was dismayed at what his agency was doing by creating another special agency that oversaw and allowed in arm shipments into darbar sahib. It seems quite clear a trap was being set to paint an image the Sikhs there were terrorists and that darbar sahib was some kinda base of terrorism with weapons galore but where did the weapons come from? It was your friendly no morals Indian terrorist R&AW agency the very same terrorist agency that conducted the air india 1985 bombing and blamed it on Sikh separatists in canada. The question still arises what exactly did the UK know what was happening to the Sikhs of India before 1984 and after? The very fact that Her Majesty's UK Government actually provided a SAS plan to raid our most holiest shrine no matter what the circumstances were is very disturbing and it seems they knew alot of what went on behind the scenes not just merely observing but actively involving themselves mainly it seems due to trade and other bilateral ties. They have a strong case to answer in our 2% minority populations persecution and genocide in 1984 and we should not forget it.

does anyone have information about operation blackthunder in 1988 most of us know about 1984 but iv just found out about black thunder what was this operation did the golden temple get attacked again

Came across this speech was disgusted by it letting such vile people have platform to speak. What conclusions do you come to from his obvious sugar coated self promoting lies? To me it is quite obvious he is a low IQ guy, has zero knowledge about Sikh history and sikhi and sub servant to his pay masters the dog handlers in new delhi. And for evil minded indian hindu's and indian atheists to think he and indian army did a good thing is only gonna help the khalistan movement.

Ok ,so long story short here is a bit o background+story+and other s h * t abt the riots in dilli so, as some of u may know or might not know I'm a Delhi Sikh (and no, all of us r not crazy) So the Clash is btween the Pro CAA group (which is mostly just hindu fanatics and some RSS,BJP,bajrang dal ,other radical hindu outfit people)(note closely SOME BJP Peeps not all most r condemming attcks)(i mean thts the irony) and the Anti-CAA group. The pro CAA started the agitation first (and yea it does hv some elements of 1984 riots but this time its not on us ,sikhs)(also note:SOME ).And the riots r only in the Northeast part of Delhi(thankfully not anywhere near me)(but,they could spread judging by the rate they r going) .And yea, Muslim shrine was burnt and vandalized but it was a Mazar not a Mosque (by the Pro-CAA peeps,duuuhh!!!!!) .So thats that.I just wanna say "BE READY WITH UR KIRPAANS SINGHON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ". As for my opinions I dont support The CAA.(but im not part of the Dange [riots]).Also yea journalists were manhandled and any proof /footage them rioters got hands on were destroyed.Many ppl including a cop were also killed.Any way Chardikala Singhon,Akaal Purakh ji sahai hovan ate sabh di rakhi karan.Sarbat Da Bhalla. GURBAR AKAAAL Fatheeeehh. Take care peeps and ready those shastars WAHEGURU,save this violence ridden world

Came across this Nihang Singhs amazing journey and what he went through from his own jathedar but still kept true to his roots and bana. I’m not attacking Baba Santa Singh, I follow budha dal rehat and there are virtues to Baba Santa Singh, such as doing the amazing seva of printing steeks and saroops of Sri Sarbloh Granth ji, which would have probably been lost about now. However I have spent time with all sampardayes and jathebandis which is why I can look at the role of Nihang Singh in 84 with a liberal view. Read about this amazing Singh who was in Budha Dal and decided to talk to Baba Santa Singh how he was wrong in some decisions, a VERY brave thing to do, as almost all singhs in the dal would say satbachan to everything baba ji would say, and would get angry if someone opposed. Dhan Shaheed Akali Nihang Mahakal Farladhari tyaar bar tyaar Fauj Jathedar Baba Ranjit Singh Balangan. https://www.1984tribute.com/shaheed-bhai-ranjit-singh-balangan/

Why are Sikhs still serving?

Perhaps the most controversial Sikh personality of our times. His supporters call him a saint/preacher who was trying to save sikhi from govt forces and fought till the end. His haters call him an extremist who indirectly targeted the hindus in punjab and led to killing of many hindus in punjab , esp the ones they claim happened by filtering hindus out of buses and killing them in blank range. I was born many years after Op Bluestar, hence I have no idea of their true personality. Was he really the one crusading for the rights of Sikhs in a nascent hindu indian state and was truly a man of peace and sikhi siddhant , or was he hungry for power ? I honestly really don't know . Waheguru ji forgive me if I slandered him accidentally . But at the same time, hindus really hate him and his fellow gursikhs. why is that ?? EDIT --- I was about to create a new thread about trying to understand what exactly transpired upto the 1984 op bluestar. Some say Bhindrawale was propped up by Indira Gandhi to counter the akalis in punjab, but that he later on started speaking against her and got out of control. And thats why she decided to end him and perhaps storming the temple on a holy day was her way of not only hurting him physically but also spiritually , apart from crushing the sentiments of millions of other sikhs. Hindus just believe he was a terrorist and that army had to be taken in to "free" golden temple from the clutches of the terrorists.

This is a old video. It's an interview with the author of the book "fighting for faith and nation" It's inhumane and disgusting how this brave lady was treated by the punjab police.

Has the page been taken down? Has the name changed? If so, please let me know.

WJKK WJKF I was listening to katha about Bhai Satwant Singh Ji. How Bhai Sahibs parents did Ardas for the bullet in his spine to be removed and Guru Hargobind Ji give Darshan and had the bullet in his hand which Guruji passed to his parents. Does anyone have any more info on this? Phul Chuf Maf

gurfateh jeeo been trying to learn more and more about 84 shaheeds and their jeevans but the neverforget84 and 1984tribute website are down and have been for the last months regarding jagtar singh jaggi being held captive. please could you respond with websites, books, youtube channels/videos that should be watched to learn more about 1984. dhanvaad jee.

NEW DELHI: One of the two attackers convicted of killing two men during the anti-Sikh riots in 1984 has been sentenced to death by a Delhi court. The other convict will spend life in prison, the court said today. Naresh Sherawat, 68, and 55-year-old Yashpal Singh were convicted of killing the two men in south Delhi's Mahipalpur. They have also been fined Rs. 35 lakh each. Yashpal Singh's death punishment in the anti-Sikh riots is the first since 1996 when Kishori Lal, a butcher, was sentenced to death in at least five cases by lower courts. The Supreme Court later commuted it to life term. Sherawat, the second person to get life imprisonment in 34 years, worked at the Mahipalpur post office while Yashpal Singh was a transporter. The verdict has given "Sikhs a ray of hope", said Union minister Harsimrat Kaur Badal.

1984 has been used widely to drive a wedge between us Sikhs & Hindu but who was behind this heinous crime? Answer: The CONGRESS party which is highly a pro-Muslim/pro- Christian party, which oppresses Hindus as well as Sikhs. Though very cleverly,1984 has been known as 'Anti-Sikh Riots', it should have been correctively named as the 'Sikh Genocide' orchestrated by the ruling Congress Party. The 1984 Delhi Sikh genocide refers to a four-day pogrom that took place in various parts of India’s capital, New Delhi, causing the death of nearly 4,000 Sikhs. It followed the assassination on October 31, 1984 of Indira Gandhi, Prime Minister of India, by her two Sikh bodyguards, in revenge for Operation Blue Star. This event – probably the most deadly in the violent history of Delhi – remains highly controversial. Twenty-five years later, most of its instigators and perpetrators remain unpunished despite the claims of various survivors and human rights groups that the pogrom was orchestrated by officials of the Congress Party with the connivance of Delhi administration and police. Anti-Sikh violence was not restricted to Delhi but also took place in other Hindi-speaking heartland states like Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh and Haryana. One name which keeps coming up time & time again is that of Jagdish Tytler. Hardly any Sikh actually knows who Jagdish Tytler is, nor anything of his background, but we are always told that 'Hindus' killed thousands of Sikhs on the eve of Indira Gandhi's assassination. In reality, the canard spread by the Congress backed mobs attacking innocent Sikhs was that it was the work of RSS as well as Hindu mobs, when the stark truth was that it was the Christian, Marxist & Muslim youth Congress mobs who had gone on an organised spree of killing so many Sikhs - including some of my relatives who sadly died & one who survived after rampaging mobs attacked him with knives, tearing his stomach, but miraculously, my uncle survived the ordeal by tying his wounded abdomen with his turban & walked some miles before reaching a hospital. The man in charge of this heinous crime is Jagdish Tytler - here's something about his background. Jagdish Tytler was born as Jagdish Kapoor in Gujranwala, in January 1944. His father was a Hindu & mother, Dayal Kaur was a Sikh. During partition,Tytler at the age of three, was orphaned when his parents were both killed by rioting Muslims in Pakistan. He was adopted by a Christian missionary James Douglas Tytler, the founder of Delhi Public School and several other schools. He later married a Christian known as Jenny. This revealing article by Kanchan Gupta says a lot about 1984 Sikh Genocide in Delhi by Congress goons. Manmohan Singh and Congress suffer from selective amnesia as they rake up the 2002 Gujarat violence to malign the BJP. But even if they choose to forget the 1984 pogrom that left more than 4,000 Sikhs dead, the story remains fresh in the minds of many, among them survivors waiting for justice for 25 years. Check out the Testimony of Surinder Singh on 1984 Sikh Genocide. Jagdish Tytler, a sikh by birth, later was converted to Christianity by James Douglas Tytler, who was the founder of many public schools including the Delhi Public School and the Summer Fields School.How come a person brought up by an eminent personality like James Douglas Tytler,can do such an act in 1984 riots, that too on his own Sikh brothers?Does Christianity teach love or hatred?This reminds me of the Goa inquisition by Portuguese. Caught on the wrong foot over the brazen manner in which it tried to absolve Jagdish Tytler and Sajjan Kumar of the serious charges that have been levelled against them by survivors of the 1984 pogrom that resulted in the slaughter of 4, 733 Sikhs, the Congress has struck back at its principal political adversary, the BJP, by once again raising the bogey of the 2002 post-Godhra violence in Gujarat. Addressing a Press conference in Mumbai on Monday, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who would like people to believe that he was “not informed, not consulted, over the CBI’s clean chit to Jagdish Tytler” although that is an impossibility, has said, “Nor will I be found wringing my hands in frustration while one of my Chief Ministers condones a pogrom targeted at minorities.” Ironically, even as the Prime Minister was seeking to resurrect the Gujarat ‘pogrom’ and remind people of the ‘atrocities’ committed against Muslims, the Special Investigation Team set up by the Supreme Court and headed by former CBI director RK Raghavan submitted its report, refuting the allegations that have sustained the myth-making aimed at demonising Mr Narendra Modi and tarring the BJP’s image. The SIT’s report shows Mr Singh’s description of the Gujarat violence as a “pogrom targeted at minorities” is as fanciful as his denial of any knowledge about the CBI exonerating those who are accused of leading murderous mobs during the 1984 violence, planned and executed by Congress ‘leaders’ to avenge the assassination of Mrs Indira Gandhi. Noted writer and veteran journalist Khushwant Singh, recalling those terrible days of 1984, told the Nanavati Commission of Inquiry, set up by the BJP-led NDA Government, that the hideous bloodletting left him “feeling like a Jew in Nazi Germany”. It is possible that Mr Manmohan Singh has no memories of that massacre; selective amnesia is a disease from which too-clever-by-half politicians tend to suffer. It is also possible that he and his patrons in the Congress believe that by pretending nothing of note happened in 1984, those born after Congress mobs ran amok on the streets of Delhi, garlanding Sikhs with burning tyres, can be persuaded to vote for a party which claims to stand against the BJP’s ‘divisive politics’. Such sanctimonious self-righteousness is best avoided by the Congress, not least because its then president — and India’s Prime Minister — Rajiv Gandhi had no qualms about justifying the carnage. “Some riots took place in the country following the murder of Indiraji,” Rajiv Gandhi said on November 19, 1984, even as thousands of families grieved for their loved ones killed by Congress hoodlums, “We know the people were very angry and for a few days it seemed India had been shaken. But when a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little.” Some riots? Only natural? Shake a little? Of course, Mr Singh would claim no knowledge of any of this. Perhaps he would even insist that he was “not informed, not consulted” by Rajiv Gandhi, or, for that matter, the mobs that bayed for blood (and feasted on it) for four days before someone called the Army in. Twenty-five years is a long time. Public memory is notoriously short and it is unlikely those who have attained the right to vote in these 25 years would know what the protest against the Congress deciding to give party tickets to Jagdish Tytler and Sajjan Kumar is all about. It would, therefore, be in order to recall the chain of events lest we be persuaded to believe that nothing of consequence happened by a Prime Minister who spends sleepless nights worrying about a terror suspect held in distant Australia but blithely disowns responsibility for the shocking attempt to whitewash the crimes of his party and its ‘leaders’ committed against thousands at home. So, here is the story, briefly told, of how more than 4,000 Sikh men, women and children were slaughtered; in Delhi alone, 2,733 Sikhs were burned alive, butchered or beaten to death. Women were raped while their terrified families pleaded for mercy, little or none of which was shown by the Congress goons. In one of the numerous such incidents, a woman was gang-raped in front of her 17-year-old son; before leaving, the marauders torched the boy. For three days and four nights the killing and pillaging continued without the police, the civil administration and the Union Government, which was then in direct charge of Delhi, lifting a finger in admonishment. The Congress was in power and could have prevented the violence, but the then Prime Minister, his Home Minister, indeed the entire Council of Ministers, twiddled their thumbs. Even as stray dogs gorged on charred corpses and wailing women, clutching children too frightened to cry, fled mobs armed with iron rods, staves and gallons of kerosene, AIR and Doordarshan kept on broadcasting blood-curdling slogans like ‘Khoon ka badla khoon se lenge’ (We shall avenge blood with blood) raised by Congress workers grieving over their dear departed leader. In mid-morning on October 31, 1984, Mrs Indira Gandhi was assassinated by two Sikh guards posted at her home. Her death was ‘officially’ confirmed at 6 pm, after due diligence had been exercised to ensure Rajiv Gandhi’s succession. By then, reports of stray incidents of violence against Sikhs, including the stoning of President Zail Singh’s car, had started trickling in at various police stations. By the morning of November 1, hordes of men were on the rampage in south, east and west Delhi. They were armed with iron rods and carried old tyres and jerry cans filled with kerosene and petrol. Owners of petrol pumps and kerosene stores, beneficiaries of Congress largesse, provided petrol and kerosene free of cost. Some of the men went around on scooters and motorcycles, marking Sikh houses and business establishments with chalk for easy identification. They had been provided with electoral rolls to make their task easier. By late afternoon that day, hundreds of taxis, trucks and shops owned by Sikhs had been set ablaze. By early evening, the murder, loot and rape began in right earnest. The worst butchery took place in Block 32 of Trilokpuri, a resettlement colony in east Delhi. The police either participated in the violence or merely watched from the sidelines. Curfew was declared in south and central Delhi at 4 pm, and in east and west Delhi at 6 pm on November 1. But there was no attempt to enforce it. PV Narasimha Rao, the then Home Minister, remained unmoved by cries for help. In his affidavit to the Nanavati Commission of Inquiry, Lt-Gen Jagjit Singh Aurora, decorated hero of the 1971 India-Pakistan war, said, “The Home Minister was grossly negligent in his approach, which clearly reflected his connivance with perpetrators of the heinous crimes being committed against the Sikhs.” The first deployment of the Army took place around 6 pm on November 1 in south and central Delhi, which were comparatively unaffected, but in the absence of navigators, which should have been provided by the police and the civil authorities, the jawans found themselves lost in unfamiliar roads and avenues. The Army was deployed in east and west Delhi in the afternoon of November 2, more than 24 hours after the killings began. But, here, too, the jawans were at a loss because there were no navigators to show them the way through byzantine lanes. In any event, there was little the Army could have done: Magistrates were ‘not available’ to give permission to fire on the mobs. This mandatory requirement was kept pending till Mrs Indira Gandhi’s funeral was over. By then, 1,026 Sikhs had been killed in east Delhi. Jagdish Tytler and Sajjan Kumar were among Congress ‘leaders’ who, witnesses said, incited and led mobs. Both deny the allegation, but the evidence is overwhelming. A report on the pogrom, jointly prepared by the PUCL and PUDR and published under the title, Who Are the Guilty? names both of them along with others. The report quotes well-known journalist Sudip Mazumdar: “The Police Commissioner, SC Tandon was briefing the Press (about 10 Indian reporters and five foreign journalists) in his office on November 6, at 5 pm. A reporter asked him to comment on the large number of complaints about local Congress MPs and lightweights trying to pressure the police to get their men released. The Police Commissioner totally denied the allegation… Just as he finished uttering these words, Jagdish Tytler, Congress MP from Sadar constituency, barged into the Police Commissioner’s office along with three other followers and on the top of his voice demanded, ‘What is this Mr Tandon? You still have not done what I asked you to do?’ The reporters were amused, the Police Commissioner embarrassed. Tytler kept on shouting and a reporter asked the Police Commissioner to ask that ‘shouting man’ to wait outside since a Press conference was on. Tytler shouted at the reporter, ‘This is more important.’ The reporter told the Police Commissioner that if Tytler wanted to sit in the office he would be welcome, but a lot of questions regarding his involvement would also be asked and he was welcome to hear them. Tytler was fuming…” The slaughter was not limited to Delhi, though. Sikhs were killed in Gurgaon, Kanpur, Bokaro, Indore and many other towns and cities in States ruled by the Congress. In a replay of the mayhem in Delhi, 26 Sikh soldiers were pulled out of trains and killed. After quenching their thirst for blood, the mobs retreated to savour their ‘revenge’. The flames died and the winter air blew away the stench of death. Rajiv Gandhi’s Government issued a statement placing the death toll at 425! Demands for a judicial inquiry were stonewalled by Rajiv Gandhi. Human rights organisations petitioned the courts; the Government said courts were not empowered to order inquiries. Meanwhile, Rajiv Gandhi dissolved the Lok Sabha and went for an early election, which the Congress swept by using the ‘sympathy card’ and launching a vitriolic hate campaign. Once in office, Rajiv Gandhi was desperate for a breakthrough in Punjab. He mollycoddled Akali leader Sant Harchand Singh Longowal into agreeing to sign a peace accord with him. Sant Longowal listed a set of pre-conditions; one of them was the setting up of a judicial commission to inquire into the pogrom. Thus was born the Ranganath Misra Commission of Inquiry, which took on the job of crafting a report that would suggest extra-terrestrials were to be blamed for whatever had happened. Worse, submissions and affidavits were passed on to those accused of leading the mobs; some of these documents were later recovered from the house of Sajjan Kumar. Gag orders were issued, preventing the Press from reporting in-camera proceedings of the Commission. For full six months, Rajiv Gandhi refused to make public the Ranganath Misra Commission’s report. When it was tabled in Parliament, the report was found to be an amazing travesty of the truth; neither were the guilty men of 1984 named, now was responsibility fixed. Subsequently, nine commissions and committees were set up to get to the truth, but they were either disbanded midway or not allowed access to documents and evidence. India had to wait for the report of the Nanavati Commission for an approximate version of the real story. Justice Nanavati’s report said, “The Commission considers it safe to record its finding that there is credible evidence against Jagdish Tytler to the effect that very probably he had a hand in organising attacks on Sikhs.” This is not an indictment, Mr Manmohan Singh and his Government decided, so why bother about it? Four years later they remain unrepentant, their attitude remains unchanged. Two thousand seven hundred and thirty-three men, women and children killed in Delhi, another 2,000 killed elsewhere, scores of women raped, property worth crores of rupees looted or sacked. Families devastated forever, survivors scarred for the rest of their lives. But the Congress doesn’t care! Surely, this anti Hindu/ anti Sikh Indian Government where mostly it is dominated by Christians & Muslims have successfully achieved to drive a wedge between both Sikhs & Hindus.

Ekh-oonkaar Vaaheguroo jee kee Fat'eh. Sree Bhagautee jee Sahaa-e. Vaar Sree Bhagautee jee kee Paat'shaahee D'assveen Pritham Bhagat'ee simar kaae Guroo Nanak laeen' D'hiaa-ae. Phir Angad, Guroo t'ae Amar-Daas Ram-Daas-aae hoeen' sahaa-ae. Arjan Hargobind no simro Sree Har Raae. Sree Har-Kishan d'hiaa-ee-aae jis dit'haae sabhe dukhe jaa-aae Teg-Bahaad'ur simri-aae ghar naau nid'he aavaae d'haa-e. Sabh thaa-een' ho-e sahaa-e. Dassvaen' Paat-Shah Sree Guru Gobind Singh Sahib jee sabh thaa-een' ho-e sahaa-e. Dassaan' Paat'shaahee-aan' d'ee jot Sree Guroo Granth Sahib jee d'ae paat'h d'eed'aar daa d'heaan dhar kae bolo jee Vaaheguroo. Panjaan' piaareaan', chauhaan' Sahibzaad-eaan', chaalee mukt-eaan', Hat'hee-aan', jappee-aan', tappee-aan', jinhaa' Naam jap-eaa, vand chhakeaa, d'aeg chalaa-ee, tegh vaahee, daekh kae andit'h keetaa, Tinhaan piaareaan', sache-aare-aan dee kamaaee daa dHe-aan d'har kae Khaalsaa jee bolo jee Vaaheguroo. Jinhaan' singhaan' singhaniaan' nae dHaram haet sees deettae, baaNd baaNd kataa-ae, Khopariaan' luhaa-ee-aan', charkharee-aan' tae charhae, aare-aan' naal chiraa-ae ga-ae, Gurduaare-aan' dee saevaa la-ee kurbaaniaan' keeTee-aan', dHaram naheen' haareaa, Sikhee kaesaan' svaasaan' naal nibhaa-ee, tinhaan' dee kamaa-ee dah theaan dhar kae Khaalsaa jee bolo jee Vaaheguroo. Panjaan' Takhtaan', sarbatt Gurdvaareaan' dah theaan dHar kae bolo jee Vaaheguroo. Prathmae sarbatt Khaalsaa jee kee Ardaas haae jee, sarbatt Khaalsaa jee ko Vaheguroo, Vaheguroo, Vaheguroo, chitt aavae, chitt aavan kaa sadkaa sarab sukh hovae, Jahaan' Jahaan' Khaalsaa jee Sahib, ta'Haan' ta'Haan' rachheaa riaa-it, Daeg taeg Fateh, bihrd kee paaej, Panth kee jeet, Sir'ee sahib jee sahaa-ae, Khalsae jee kae bol baalae, bolo jee Vaaheguroo. Sikhaan' noon' Sikhee daan, Kesh daan, RehT daan, bibaek daan, visaah daan, bharosaa daan, daanaan' s-ir daan, Naam daan, sree Amritsar jee dah ishnaan, Chukiaan', Jhandae, Bungae jugo j-ugg At'aaLL, dharam kaa jaaekaar. Bolo jee Vaaheguroo. Sikhaan' dah maaNN neevaan', maTT ouchee, maTT dah raakhaa Aap Vaaheguroo. Hae Akaal-Purkh, Deen-Deaal, Karan-Kaaran, Patit-Pavan, Kreepaa-Needhaan jee Aapan-ae Panth dae sadaa sahaa-ee Dataar jeeo. Sree Nankaanaa Sahib tae hor Gurdvaareaan', Gur'dhaamaan' dae jinhaan' thon' Panth noon' vichhor-eaa geaa haee Khullhae darshan dee-daara tae sevaa san-mbhaal daa daan Khaalsa jee noon' bakhsho. Hae Nimaaneaan' dae Maan, Nitaaneaan. dae Taan', Nioteaan' dee O-ut, Sachae Pit.aa Vaaheguroo, Aap dah hazoor Cheraasi de Shaheed dee Ardaas haae jee Akharr daa vaadhaa ghaataa, bhull chukk maaf karnaa jee, sarbatt dae karaj raas karnae, Sae-ee piaarae maelo jinhaan' miliaan' Taeraa Naam chitt aavae. Nanak Naam charh'dee kalaa, T'arae bhaanae sarbatt daa bhalaa. Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Posted at: Jun 12, 2018, 12:58 AM; last updated: Jun 12, 2018, 3:04 AM (IST) Documenting Sikh women’s pain on ’84 Fernanda Vazqufz talks about her study on Monday. Sunil Kumar Divya Sharma Tribune News Service Amritsar, June 11 Clad in an Indian attire, Fernanda Vazqufz of Mexico can be mistaken for an Indian for her local resemblance. A professor and researcher atMetropolitan Autonomous University, Mexico City, she is back in the city after a gap of 10 years to continue with her study on the impact of 1984 Operation Bluestar and riots on Sikh women who lost their husbands during the militancy era. Now, she shall be focusing on the impact on the younger generation of such families and their lives. She says most of the widows feel that there voices have not been heard. Any kind of violence shall result in more violence. “I met a number of Sikh women, who lost their husbands during the Operation Bluestar and anti-Sikh riots. Most of them felt that they were left on their own and no support was provided to them by the government. Besides, they also feel that there grievances and voices have gone unheard,” she says. Her study also includes changes in their lives as the socio-economic scenario of Punjab. With this study, Vazqufz aims at give voice to the fairer gender. The study also points out the changed perception of the sufferers towards the government. Her study covers Sikhs, particularly widows, residing in Delhi, Amritsar and nearby areas. Talking about her journey from Mexico to Punjab, Vazqufz says, “I was reading about a conflict in Kashmir in one of our dailies. I researched more about Indian conflicts. I chose the era post Punjab militancy, anti-Sikh riots and aftermath as I could relate to an incident back home wherein the Mexican Army took action against locals in 1960s. The desire to known more has brought me here. I have covered Sikh widows here in Amritsar and Delhi for 1984 Operation Bluestar and anti-Sikh riots, respectively.” Vazqufz, who teaches contemporary Indian history back home, is now focused on the changes in lives of these women and hope, aspirations of the younger generation of such families. “A lot has changed over the years. There lives have moved forward. I shall be focusing on the same this time,” she adds.

UK Judge Orders Operation Blue Star Related Files To Be Made Public Judge Murray Shanks, who presided over a three-day hearing of the First Tier Tribunal (Information Rights) in London in March, ruled yesterday that a majority of the files relating to the period must be made public. All India | Press Trust of India | Updated: June 13, 2018 03:23 IST The files that must now be released include papers on UK-India relations from 1983 to 1985. (File) London: A UK judge has ordered the declassification of documents that are expected to shed further light on Britain's involvement in Operation Blue Star in 1984, dismissing the British government's argument that the move could damage diplomatic ties with India. Judge Murray Shanks, who presided over a three-day hearing of the First Tier Tribunal (Information Rights) in London in March, ruled yesterday that a majority of the files relating to the period must be made public and rejected the UK government's argument that declassifying the Downing Street papers would damage diplomatic ties with India. The judge, however, did accept that one file marked "India: Political", from the UK's Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC), could contain information that relates to British spy agencies MI5, MI6 and GCHQ (Government Communications Headquarters) and therefore the Cabinet Office was entitled to rely on a technicality that exempts such material from the Freedom of Information (FOI) request appeal. "We recognise that the period we are concerned with was a highly sensitive one in India's recent history and the strength of feeling it continues to evoke... it should also be remembered that the fact that 30 years has gone by is bound to have reduced any prejudice that may have resulted from release of the withheld material," the judgment notes. The FOI appeal was handled by KRW Law on behalf of freelance journalist Phil Miller, who has been investigating the exact nature of the then Margaret Thatcher led government's assistance to the Indian Army operation on Golden Temple in Amritsar. In 2014, UK government documents declassified under the 30-year rule to make such material public had revealed that British military advice was given to Indian forces prior to Operation Blue Star. Then British Prime Minister David Cameron had ordered a review into this discovery, named as the Heywood Review, which led to a statement in Parliament declaring that Britain's role had been purely "advisory" and the advice provided by the country's Special Air Service (SAS) had "limited impact in practice". But Miller, the author of 'Sacrificing Sikhs: The need for an investigation' report released last year, says only "full transparency" would reveal the exact nature of Britain's involvement. "After nearly four years of asking for disclosure of these files, it is a great victory for a judge to rule that more transparency would not harm diplomatic ties or risk national security," said Miller, who is disappointed that one file has been left out due to a "loophole" relating to the country's intelligence agencies. "It is no wonder that many in the Sikh community are calling for a public inquiry, as only that would have the power to disclose all relevant material," he added. The files that must now be released in full include papers on UK-India relations from 1983 to 1985 - covering a meeting between Thatcher and Indira Gandhi's advisor, LK Jha, the situation in Punjab, Sikh activities and the assassination of Mrs Gandhi in October 1984. Judge Shanks dismissed the UK government's claim that declassifying these papers would harm relations with India and said "it is worth noting that we have heard no evidence of any adverse reaction from the Indian government resulting from the events of January and February 2014", referring to the Heywood Review. The UK Cabinet Office has been given time until July 11 to appeal against the First Tier Tribunal's decision. Alternatively, it must make the relevant documents available to Miller for his research by July 12. The Cabinet Office said it would be issue its response in due course. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/uk-judge-orders-operation-blue-star-related-files-to-be-made-public-1866537

Please watch the video before you read my response: MY RESPONSE: Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! As someone who actually supports the concept of an independent state run on Sikh values (Khalistan), I don’t think that songs like this do anything for positive the movement. We need less gang bang hood type of music videos, and we need actual change in terms of drug addiction, female infanticide, low birth rates, lack of education, etc, all of which will actually help the Sikh community, rather than a music video in which we are waving around guns and talking about assassinating people. They put videos of Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, but don’t realize that whenever people came to him asking to join the movement, the first thing he said was to pick up a Gutka before the Gun, because the real power of Sikhi comes from Bani. Baba Bhindranwale also never boasted or showed off, and and neither did he all of a sudden start demanding a separate state, but he primarily focused on major issues in the panth, and used violence as a last resort. Our community has a habit of ignoring the important humanitarian and intellectual work of sevadaars and mainly focusing on the action part. People always talk about Baba Deep Singh as a physical warrior, but forget how he had an entire life of studying Bani that led up to his legendary Shaheedi. We all like to talk about Khalistan, yet forget the main issues affecting the panth like drug addiction, farmer debt, suicide, casteism, sexism, lack of education, low birthrates, etc. The Panth doesn't have the infrastructure to build or support another country, and before we start boasting about end goals, we should at least primarily focus on our main issues. A common response that I get is that this is just a music video, and that it at least does a good job of reminding people about important issues, however I would argue that there are better ways of talking about the issue of Sikh independence without waving around weapons and acting like a gang. The last thing the Panth, and the Khalsitani movement needs right now is even more bad publicity, and videos like this only reinforce the common held belief that the main advocates of Khalistan were from the west. PS: At least they didn’t put a communist flag in this video, it was a decent song tho. TL;DR: Can we focus more on Bani and less on wearing Kaali ? Thanks! Question for the Sangat: What do you guys think of this video?

The daemons involvement has never been in doubt, just surprised the corrupt GK did not take it to the authorities for a healthy sum and political favour. https://www.sikh24.com/2018/02/06/breaking-jagdish-tytlers-videos-confessing-murder-of-100-sikhs-made-public-by-manjit-singh-gk/#.WnmDpnOnwwA

One of my relatives had said this to me, and it kind of makes sense. If jarnail singh wasn’t in akaal takhat in the first place then the Indian government wouldn’t need to enter harmandir sahib. They could have fought anywhere else, on open field etc. But he chose harmandir sahib. The Indian government had gone into harmandir sahib to capture sant jarnail singh right? So if he wasn’t situated in akaal takhat, the government had no reason to enter harmandir sahib and kill the Sikhs. (I’m not condoning the Indian government and especially not indra because of what the government did to the innocent Sikhs, I’m just talking about akaal takhat)

Do Sikhs still hate Hindus for what a Hindu minority did to a Sikh majority

Does anyone have any newspapers etc, from the time, regarding Santa Singh's 22 misdeeds mentioned in the below article? http://www.1984tribute.com/Jhujaroo-Jeevani.php?id=395

Does any person have a PDF copy of the book released by Baba Harnam Singh Jee Dhumma which lists all of the shaheed Singhs and Singhnia of 84?

Approx 250 Sikh dharam fauji's who vowed to fight to the death with their sikh brothers in arms with just their turbans and clothes for armour and lightly armed defending the darbar sahib golden temple vs 100,000 enemy brahminwad neo-mughul Indian troops with sophisticated weaponry, Kevlar bullet and blast proof armour and commando trained Elite soldiers. Our kaum's brave lions may have all lost their lives defending our Guru's home but they gave the enemy one hell of a beating. And thus their Indian terrorist operation blue star, their destruction of thousands of Sikh life and Sri Akal Takht laid the foundation stone and for the fight for Khalistan.

I remember back in the 80s and 90s there was various documentaries about the political affairs of the Sikhs in the UK and in punjab/india but nowadays there's nothing. Everything to do with religion is almost entirely focused on Islam and its notorious groups and people. In 2012 an american ex-special ops neo nazi white supremacist murdered 8 people in a gurdwara in wisconsin and no documentary was made covering it. Recently we learnt that the British thatcher government had involvement in helping (in very limited capacity as they say) the Indian government attack darbar Sahib in 1984. We learnt that Thatcher also said things back in 1980s to malign British Sikhs of southall in regards to the sectarian christian/catholic northern Ireland troubles. There should be enough material out there for some clever documentary journalists to investigate the real role of the British government in the Sikh genocide of 1984. The Sikhs of punjab in 80s/90s were in a very similar situation to that of tamil hindus of present times. The british government aided the sri lanakan buddhist senalese government to cause the tamil genocide in 2009. British govt funded Channel 4 news covered it in various news bulletins and made documentary on it. However no one has done the same for the Sikhs they haven't exposed the British and other governments role in our peoples mass murder and attack on our religious institutions. Even our own so called religious leaders and organisations that claim to represent the voice of british sikhs (like sikh federation, sikh council, etc) have strangely gone gupt and silent as a mouse not said a word since 2014. It seems like some backdoor deals are being done undercover.