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  1. At the moment I'm reading a book by Ian Talbot called "lahore in the times of the Raaj". In it he writes that a quarter of the Muslim residents of Lahore city are Kashmiris. Also just for your info, the 1941 census was not very accurate either as all three religions were suspected of giving skewed numbers wherever they could.
  2. Did the Gurus have past lives?

    His argument is valid in that aarti is a method of worship. However the connection to worship of Guru Granth Sahib is not completely addressed in his article. I'm not sure because I don't know if it was a beloved ritual. It may have more to do with the hindu connotations which some Sikh people suffer dreadfully from. From what I have read about his Gulabdasi past, he did break more or less completely from it. I think the anti-arya samaj stance would hold more credence than the ex-Gulabdasi past.
  3. Sikhs in Dubai and the UAE

    I would avoid those sikh organisations like the plague. They are hardcore darshan rogi chelas there and they have also started amrit sinchar without Dasam Banis.
  4. Did the Gurus have past lives?

    Read what context this is written in: https://www.searchgurbani.com/dasam-granth/shabad/8269/line/1 IMO Kamalroop has not presented it in its correct context in his article. One of the things that has always irked me greatly is that even with Sri Akal Bunga under the control of Nihangs during this era the low-castes were barred from entering the parikrama to Darbar Sahib and had to do namaskar from outside. Giani Ditt Singh was a Chamar (even though I did at one time beleive very strongly that he was a julaha) and people like him were heavily discriminated against even under the eye of the protectors of faith - the Dal Panth. This could explain why Giani Ji criticized some of their practices.
  5. If its in canada then most like its the fake singh sabha international.
  6. Did the Gurus have past lives?

    Great photos and info @Singh123456777
  7. Did the Gurus have past lives?

    Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaar 1, Pauri 47 Guru Ram Das and Guru Arjan Dev ਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਤੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਅਰਜਨ ਦੇਵ ਦਿਚੈ ਪੂਰਬਿ ਦੇਵਣਾ ਜਿਸਦੀ ਵਸਤੁ ਤਿਸੈ ਘਰਿ ਆਵੈ। Liabilities of the previous births have to be settled and the thing goes to the house it belongs to. ਬੈਠਾ ਸੋਢੀ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੁ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਕਹਾਵੈ। Now Guru Ram Das, a Sodhi emperor, seated on the Guru-seat is called the true Guru. ਪੂਰਨ ਤਾਲ ਖਟਾਇਆ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਸਰ ਵਿਚਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਜਗਾਵੈ। He got dug the complete holy tank and here settling down at Amritsar, he spread his light. ਉਲਟਾ ਖੇਲ ਖਸੰਮ ਦਾ ਉਲਟੀ ਗੰਗ ਸਮੁੰਦ੍ਰਿ ਸਮਾਵੈ। Wondrous is the play of the Lord. He can cause Ganges running in opposite direction merge in the ocean. ਦਿਤਾ ਲਈਐ ਆਪਣਾ ਅਣਿਦਿਤਾ ਕਛੁ ਹਥਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ। You get your own; given nothing cannot bring to you anything. ਫਿਰਿ ਆਈ ਘਰਿ ਅਰਜਣੇ ਪੁਤ ਸੰਸਾਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਹਾਵੈ। Now the Guruship entered the house of Arjan (Dev) who, to say was the son, but, he proved through his good deeds to be worthy of the Guru-seat. ਜਾਣਿ ਨ ਦੇਸਾਂ ਸੋਢੀਓ ਹੋਰਸਿ ਅਜਰੁ ਨ ਜਰਿਆ ਜਾਵੈ। This Guruship would not go beyond Sodhis because none else can bear with this unbearable. ਘਰ ਹੀ ਕੀ ਵਥੁ ਘਰੇ ਰਹਾਵੈ ॥੪੭॥ The thing of the House should remain in the House. Also this fits in perfectly with what Guru Gobind Singh Ji has written in Sri Dasme Patshah Ji ka granth Sahib. How would Bhai Gurdas Sahib have been able to write this many moons before Guru Sahib's time? This information could only have been given to Bhai Gurdas Sahib by the Gurus themselves.
  8. This guy inderjjeet is a guru nindak. He is anti-Dasam granth and is one of main fools ruining the malaysian naujwan sikh sabha with his his "one granth one panth" nonsense. What a shame for the canadian Sikh community and the university itself.
  9. Another troll. Mrsingh/guptsingh/sunnybond again. If you wish to look at analysis of Charitars in Sri Charitropakhyan Granth then please read at sikhawareness.com
  10. Some more Home Truths

    Ptava is a leather strip that is used as lining for shoes.
  11. Some more Home Truths

    Will do. So I'm ok to start wearing socks again?
  12. Did the Gurus have past lives?

    Read Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaaran Vaar 1 pauri 46. it explains a little more on this subject: ਸੋ ਟਿਕਾ ਸੋ ਛਤ੍ਰੁ ਸਿਰਿ ਸੋਈ ਸਚਾ ਤਖਤੁ ਟਿਕਾਈ। With the same mark (on the forehead), the same canopy he radiated on the Throne. ਗੁਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਹੰਦੀ ਮੁਹਰ ਹਥਿ ਗੁਰ ਅੰਗਦ ਦੀ ਦੋਹੀ ਫਿਰਾਈ। The power Guru Nanak had is now with Guru Angad was publically proclaimed all around. ਦਿਤਾ ਛੋੜਿ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਪੁਰੁ ਬੈਠਿ ਖਡੂਰੇ ਜੋਤਿ ਜਗਾਈ। Guru Angad left Kartarpur and scattered his light while sitting at Khadur. ਜੰਮੇ ਪੂਰਬਿ ਬੀਜਿਆ ਵਿਚਿ ਵਿਚਿ ਹੋਰੁ ਕੂੜੀ ਚਤੁਰਾਈ। Action seeds of the previous births sprout; all other ingenuinities are false. ਲਹਣੇ ਪਾਈ ਨਾਨਕੋ ਦੇਣੀ ਅਮਰਦਾਸਿ ਘਰਿ ਆਈ। Whatever Lahina got from Guru Nanak now came to the house of (Guru) Amar Das. ਗੁਰੁ ਬੈਠਾ ਅਮਰੁ ਸਰੂਪ ਹੋਇ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਾਈ ਦਾਤਿ ਇਲਾਹੀ। Having received the celestial gift from Guru Angad, the Guru, in the form of Amar Das is seated. ਫੇਰਿ ਵਸਾਇਆ ਗੋਇੰਦਵਾਲੁ ਅਚਰਜੁ ਖੇਲੁ ਨ ਲਖਿਆ ਜਾਈ। Guru Amar Das founded Goindval. The wondorous play could was beyond sight. ਦਾਤਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਖਸਮੈ ਵਡਿਆਈ ॥੪੬॥ Gift received from the earlier Gurus further enhanced the grandeur of the Light.
  13. Some more Home Truths

    So that would mean that the persian word did not replace the Panjabi word but added another word to be used by Panjabis?
  14. Some more Home Truths

    So should we replace english words in current use in Panjab such "internet" and "mobile phone"?
  15. Some more Home Truths

    Tyag is also used for self-sacrifice. This can be dunai-dari or zindagi (both Persian words). Yes and it is a Persian word. Now I don't know the Panjabi word for it, if one exists please tell me and I will stop using Jaraban. Otherwise I will have to stop wearing socks.
  16. Bansavalinamah of Das Patshaian

    Can you pm me the article please? Do you know the history of the Singh who was shaheed in a battle during 10th Gurus time? His Gurdwara is right next to Lohgarh Qilla at Anandpur Sahib. I have been there but can't remember the name unfortunately.
  17. Some more Home Truths

    I would say that we need to use more panjabi centric words that exist and if they don't then there is nothing wrong in using loanwords. We use so many english words today. Even kathavachaks are using english in their programs. What is the Panjabi words for socks?
  18. Some more Home Truths

    Balidaan is two words : Bali - sacrifice and Daan - charity. Another word that could be used in place of Shaheed or Balidaan is "Tyag". But Shaheed is overwhelmiingly used.
  19. It is missionary atheism. Does this inlcude him going to america and staying under the hospitality of darshan rogis biggest supporters there? Have you ever heard dhadrianwala once condemn rogi darshan for starting his own panth?
  20. It is a major deviation from the index what Dhaddrianwala is saying. It's totally against what Guru Granth Sahib says. He is bringing the masses into something but is it Sikhi? No.
  21. I'm not too sure this is accurate. The renegade sant-nirankaris say this.
  22. Did the Gurus have past lives?

    Guru Gobind Singh Ji had a previous life, about this there is no dispute. Guru Sahib has told us about it himself. None of the previous Gurus have written themselves about any previous lives. There is also a tradition that Guru teg Bahadur Ji was a rishi is his previous life. If you find this hard to believe you are doubting your Guru. And thats never a good thing. But it doesn't matter in any way whether they had previous lives. There was a time when you and I (our atma) was part of Sri Kaal Purakh. For Guru Angad, Guru Amardas and Guru Ramdas this plane of truth was the previous Gurus to them. Bhai Lehna was not born on this plane and neither were 3rd and 4th Gurus. there is a sakhi of Guru Amardas Sahib being a "nigura" before he came to Guru Angad Dev Ji, and Bhai Lehna was a worshipper of Goddess Durga before he came to Guru Nanak Sahib. Guru Ramdas when known as Jetha followed the family tradition of worship ( I can't remember what it was at this time) and they protested when he gave that up to follow Guru Amardas Sahib.
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