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  1. Sure, Harnam Singh is a supporter of the akalis, but what measure did you use to ascertain whether other jathedars and mahapurkhs of taksal havea better understanding. And who are these jathedars and mahapurkhs? I would also include Gyani Parwinderpal SIngh Buttar and Bhai Gurpreet Singh california in the "good" list.
  2. Ok, so take these "facts" to the Gurdwara you ttok amrit in and ask them whether eunuchs/she-males/trans-genders are included in being part of the Panj. Cite the aboive reason and then give us their response.
  3. If you weren't so devious you would have answered these points, instead of pretending to be a horse writing for you.
  4. Thats not what i asked you for and you know it. I'll repeat again: Plain and simple. Your mother should have taught you not to be so devious. Its your deviousness that you need to work on. Yes because you speak for all of them like you try and speak for all Sikh women.
  5. I know ALL about asatkiran. I have been witness to her crass and erratic behavour for time. She was put in her place on Sikhawareness forum and no dount the time has come for her to be put in her place here. It was long overdue. And if you are wondering why she is called asatkiran, it's because she is truly a ray of falsehood. Even then she didn't know what the word "asatkiran" meant. Someone else had to point it out to her. So much for 20+ years of studying sikhi as she likes to claim. Asatkiran created a topic and tried to insult Sri Charitropakhyan, but I knew it was her straightaway, and then when I called her out and told everyone here her real identity, lo and behold, who pops up to defend herself? Claiming that the OP "found" her on another forum and informed her about this topic? What rot. What nonsense. That is truly underclass behaviour. This again is a trait of asatkiran. Sentences with exclamation marks continously. Then she tries to pretend it's her horse of a husband. She tried the same on Sikhawareness and here as well. Don't be fooled by it. It's not her husband. This is A Sikh rehet maryada. It is only a recent invention that was forced on the panth. Yes thy should. But for the purposes of panj pyareu sewa, only males woith complete bodies are allowed to it. That means no women, no transgenders, no eunuchs as well as people who have any limbs or digits missing. If your precious fools who gave you amrit said that women should also be allowed to do this sewa, then you should have struck a blow for ALL people of all genders and no-genders alike, by stating that eunuchs should also be allowed to do it. Seeing as you are in Kashmir, go ot the place where you took amrit and ask them to include eunuchs and people of no genders in the panj. let's see where that gets you. take your horse husband as well, he sounds like he needs a thappar. And film it, so we can see. Come on ! I dare you! Balbir Singh you as well! Go and try it! That will be the next step of your journey. let us know how it works out.
  6. Well if you dont then you will hear nothing else. The same rubbish, over and over again. This forum is better off without her.
  7. Children do not think like that. They show love and commitment to whoever raised them. In some cases the bond between a woman and her non-biological child is even stronger. Why do we always hear stories of women who have (along with fathers) who have killed thier children, or let abusive partners kill their childre. You act like yours is the only opinion worth listening to. Isn't your time on this forum over?
  8. Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma is an excellent kathakar. His knowledge on Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib is renowned in the taksal, and Baba is the one who has engineered the revival of Dasam katha in Delhi Gurdwaras where it was non-existent for over a decade.
  9. Dont move this creature onto Dasam Granth!! She has absolutely no aware of Dasam Granth. She is the same poster who started the topic on Sri Charitropakhyan about a month ago, showing her ignoracne on it. ਬਲਬੀਰ ਸਿਆ, ਤੁਸੀ ਕਿਹੜੇ ਮਗਰ ਲਗੇ ਹੋਏ ਹੈ? ਗ੍ਰੀਨ ਕਾਰਡ ਲੇਈ ਇਹਨਾਂ ਕੁਛ?
  10. So you came up with this list to avoid answering my previous post. Why are you so scared asatkiran of that, that you need to try and move the post onto something else? You are either asatkiran lying, or her horse-partner who has adopted her way of thinking? By the way? the way? the way? Only asatkiran writes this over and over, if it is really her horse-partner, then the fool has become a parrot of her. I don't beleive it is though. She used to make up guest posts and aliases on Sikhawareness as well. No she can't because in her twisted little mind, she thinks she is here to save womankind in Sikhi. Soon she will start saying that maybe sikhi isn't for her and she may leave it. Women can defend themselves here thank you very much! asatkiran is not the saviour she wants to be. read the posts by the other women. If this is Balbir Singh, then you are a bigger fool for accepting her lies. She claims to have researched Sikhi for over 20 years. yet can speak less words than a 2 year old panjabi child. And look at your Balbir Singh, defending her lies on here. ਥੋੜੀ ਬਹੁਤੀ ਸ਼ਰਮ ਹੋਣੀ ਚਾਹੀਦੀ ਹੈ ਬੰਦੇ ਨੂੰ . Another "by the way".
  11. You know what? The baby would feel the same, thinking what a monster's womb i was for 9 months.
  12. It doesn't say it anywhere. Now you show us in Gurbani where it says to take "Khande di pahul". Taksal only at their own gurdwaras do their own sewa. They do not stop any women from doing sewa at any other gurdwaras so stop lying. The same husband you looked on as ahorse on your wedding day. All you have to do is give him a nose-bag and a bucket of water and he will say what you want him to say. It was forced onto the Panth. Next time you go india, take your husband/horse and go to Sri Akal Takht Sahib and ask them to include women in their monthly sinchaars there. give one example. You have already had your answer to this. Is this male bias and chauvinism: ਜਿਉ ਪੁਰਖੈ ਘਰਿ ਭਗਤੀ ਨਾਰਿ ਹੈ ਅਤਿ ਲੋਚੈ ਭਗਤੀ ਭਾਇ ॥ ਬਹੁ ਰਸ ਸਾਲਣੇ ਸਵਾਰਦੀ ਖਟ ਰਸ ਮੀਠੇ ਪਾਇ ॥. ਤਿਉ ਬਾਣੀ ਭਗਤ ਸਲਾਹਦੇ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੈ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥ ੧੪੧੩ Now you will say "why isnt there a verse for men to serve their wives with the same devotion?" He doesn't sound like someone who could read. neigh, whinny and trump yes. Speak for yourself. The other kaurs on this fourm have already tried to warn you from making an imbecile of yourself on another public forum. But you haven't listened. Stop trying to drag them into your stupidity and discussions. Humans? Only humans? Post them then. I will post shabads which show that the divine light in carried in all vegetation, animal life, AND humans. Even stones. And more.
  13. The saroop looks more like a late 18 century saroop than the 17th century as the article claims. The writing style is not like the earlier recensions. Also the grandeur of the saroop possibly points towards Maharaja Ranjit Singh's times when sarops were produced with some elegance.
  14. Openly? Sikh men? Where ? Tell us where and we will say something about it. Otherwise keep you vague statements to yourself.
  15. Yet no Sikh male says "I had a chain round my wife as we walked around guru Granth Sahib during the lavan. Yet you..... Sikh women have done that in the past and no doubt will do so in the future. No Sikh male stops their wife from doing these. Another trait of hers. talk abut women in the panj pyare sewa. get nowhere, no it's onto having babies and leadership roles. Don't be fooled by her serpent tongue.
  16. Different people gave different figures. We shouldnt get bogged down in that.
  17. Have just had a look at those comments. the usual rubbish. She has said much worse about Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib. Each and every opportunity she gets, she is in there doing nindya. And for someone who can't even read basic gurmukhi, she tries to set herself up as some bastion of knowledge on Gurmat.
  18. I meant women when I posted it. No other religions say that Gurmat sees women as subordinate. Stop your lying... of what? The greatest proof would have been if a woman was made Guru. And there it ends heopfully. You haven't got anything to add to this topic so just give this forum and all other forums a break. Work on yourself first. Good luck.
  19. O twisted one, we are talking lavan and now you want to bring in amrit sinchar to it? Who said they did? It's you who is throwing this muck around that if the man steps one foot in front of his wife then he is the leader and she is subservient. No-one else here is saying that women are subservient, in Gurmat or otherwise. And if he wanted to drag you round all he had to do was put his back into it! To add to all the stupid things you have repeated on forums to the point pof making people vomit, this is one of the few that are equally hilarious. You are describing yourself as a noose around your husbands neck. How stupid is that? What do nooses do? They restrict breath until the victim dies. Is that what you really are? You can choose when to end your husbandds life? You have said some realy stupid things on this forum. I would give up whilst you are still a joke, rather than give up when you are a mental case. For the benefit of other readers, I would like to point out that the palla is not worn around the neck but over the shoulder. Neither does the female pulling on the palla achieve anything The man still still have total control of the palla. Even if the woman stands stil, all that will happen is the pala will fall from her hands. Something this harkiran creature did a long time ago, when she tried to place her own mat over the Guru's mat. And now your husbands a horse. Still his manure will go to mask the stench of manmat coming from you. There is no "may" about it. he was at tyhe front, you were behind hijm following in his EVERY footstep. And I couldn't care less about your married life. I feel sorry for your husband though, having to use his tail constantly to swat away all those flies and now there is one massive fly who won't stop buzzing. You haven't even progressed beyond the Panjabi alphabet in the last 20 years, how can you be reading any paath? By the way, there are people who say that women never took Khande ki pahul 100 years ago. So what?
  20. Yes you lose all those. Because you are a stupid person you will beleive it. And on it goes. We are no talking about physical sarop. You have dragged that into it. We are talking about gender. You won't get away with your nonsense here. Other religions do not see us that way. It's really deceitful of you to try and play that card. You talk about Sri Guru Granth Sahib a lot, but yet haven't accepted the core principle of honesty. As I told yo on Sikhawareness, once you do, your life will become a lot better.
  21. But it is though. A woman takes her husband's palla to follow him around Guru Granth Sahib. She is following in the footsteps he has already trodden. But your husband is all about equality. tell him when there is a next family wedding, to get the male to hold the females palla and follow her around the lavan, because it's not about leading is it? Wonder why you were silent about it on your own wedding day?
  22. Exactly.
  23. It's not a great point at all. After taking pahul you lose your caste, previous dharam affiliations etc. You do not lose your gender. You stop being whatever you were and become a Khalsa, but you dont stop being male or female.
  24. It's good to see that you are posting under your real name Harkiran, and not crying about others using your real name, because it could affect your real life. This harkiran used to post under the name of satkiran and cdnsikhgirl on . She posted the same drivel there for over a year that she has posted here. She had all the answers to her questions there but kept repeating the same until she was such a nuisance that no-one regretted her leaving. She has also been upto the same mischief on facebook, and youtube insulting Sri Dasme Patshahs Granth Sahib as and when she could. This is the same girl that created the topic insulting Sri Charitropakhyan only a while ago, and then had the mods remove her name, which she is using herself now. All of her statements below are stock statements/questions that she just copies and posts. You can answer her questions, she throw up some more, and then when you answer those, she'll repeat the first set. I want to provide some info for the benefit of other members here who, if confronted by nindaks like harkiran will know how to answer her. Even though she claims to have been studying sikhi for over 20 years, she cant even understand one sentence of Panjabi, so her understanding has all come from english sources. Women did initiate Sikhs by charan pahul, but this completely abolished in 1699. A new method of adminstering khande ki pahul was started, and it hasn't changed. This did not include women. So women giving charan pahul is no proof of women being able to give khande ki pahul. Moving onto the rehat maryada. This rehat maryada was forced on the panth under the guise of being panth parvan. It is true that many people did at some time or the other take part on these meetings, but in some of these meetings by the SGPC's own offical record, there were meetings where out of over a 100 invitees, there were only 4 or 6 or 10 people present. These people made the rehat maryada and it was forced on the panth. How can Sri Akal Takht "accept" anything? It doesn't put it's hands out to accept anything. Its the people in control of Sri Akal Takht who do the accepting. This harkiran character seems to thnk that Sri Akal Takht has accepted it therefore it can be the only true one. Also husband and wife do not make the same journey to Waheguru together. They help each other through their sangat to each other, but it's inaccurate to say that they both arrive at the same time. One can arrive earlier. Thye do not make the journey as ONE. Neither do they make the journey after their humans lives are complete as ONE either. Unless they unfortunately both pass away together ie accident. This is just wild speculation on her part. This paragraph a bove is a stock copy and paste from her. She shows her true feminazi agenda in insisting that if men do something different "they have a hold or priviledge over women", or if women do someting different "they are subservient to men". Now coming back to her precious rehat maryada, which allows women to participate as panj, i asked her probably about 2 years ago, to provide ONE instance where the SGPC had according to its own rehat maryada conducted a sinchar at Sri Akal Takht Sahib using a woman as part of the sewa. She wouldn't answer. The people who she is holding up as some kind of beacon or scholars won't even implement their own maryada themselves. Gurbani says nothing about giving khande ki pahul. So how can anyone explain the who the five should be made of according to Gurbani? Another stock statement. No-one is reducing the Guru's in any place. But they were male, whether they were one with Waheguru or not. And then on to the "guru had to be male because no-one would listen to female" nonsense. She threw up this response when she ws asked why all the Guru's were male, and if there were no Sikh women of Brahm gyan or turriya avastha in Guru Sahibs times. Ask yourselves would the Guru's have been afriad of something like this? Guru Harkrishan Sahib was baal guru. Yet people ten times his age obeyed him and saw no difference in the jyot of Guru Nanak Maharaj. No-one would have ignored the Guru's over their gender. Stock answer to anything she can't answer properly. This single light is restricted by hrakiran to men and women only. But it is more than that. This single light is the same light in every single living thing (and non-living thing) in the creation. So she was asked if this light means that we have to see every one with the same eye of equality, why can't gay marriages take place in Sikhi? Akal purakh is the chess board and the players. Akal Purakh is the male and the female. Akal Purakh is also in the third gender. Akal Purakh is also the animal and the vegetation. Akal Purakh is also the stones. So what? did harkiran give any of these other species any consideration for marriage? Or did she discriminate and select a man? She has taken amrit, but failed to see an act of discrimination at that very sinchar. At the beginning men are not allowed to wear pyjama but women are not allowed to remove pyjama. At the end, all the men have the name Singh, yet females have the name Kaur. Why can't women be called Singh? Moving onto anatomy for preparing amrit. After the passing of Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj, Matas Sahib Deva and Mata Sundri give leadership and direction to the Panth, yet there is no record of either Mata taking part, or any other female taking part as panj sewa in any sinchar whatsoever. Both Matas were of the highest avastha. yet there is no mention of any such sinchar. You can argue with her all you like. She can't change. This is her first job, creating trouble for herself on social platforms. Admins keep an eye on her, sooner or later she will start on Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth. It wold have been better if she had been banned when she started that topic about Sri Charitropakhyan Granth a few weeks ago. Challo later is better than never.
  25. PLease do, and share them as well Bhaji. i had responded to your posts there, but it seems yo haven't seen them yet. Please divulge a little more on how you came across these and eventually acquired them Bhaji.