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WJKK WJKF.. AS long as u can "listen" or reciting in mind as the bani is playing audio.. its fine. else what is "sarvaN bhagti"?? infact.. bhagatji (Jaswant Singh Ji.. DDT student of Baba Gurbachan singh ji Bhindrawaley).. check gursevak.com frequently says do exercise along with listening bani.. 2 in 1. ofcourse.. sitting and reading it is more beneficial. but if no time then as i said above is not wrong too.. provided u r "listening" and not playing xbox ..lol!! well.. same goes with reading too.. most of us read but mind is on tonites NBA match..so i guess u get my point.. u wanna be a mastana go ahead but concentration should be on nitnem! as far as maryada given by pal ji.. no harm in it too!

looking into it!! -- Sant Sundar Singh Ji Bhindrawaley pdf files uploaded,,,,

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh .zip files have been added to download all files together. it is at top of all audio files. :biggrin2:

mehtab veera.. ure poem just didnt slap me on the face.. but even kicked my butt!! very inspiring.. poems really coming from deep within ureself are soo inspiring. Waheguroo

Your translation does not seem to tally with - icMqw qw kI kIjIAY jo AnhonI hoie ] chi(n)thaa thaa kee keejeeai jo anehonee hoe || People become anxious, when something unexpected happens. iehu mwrgu sMswr ko nwnk iQru nhI koie ]51] eihu maarag sa(n)saar ko naanak thhir nehee koe ||51|| This is the way of the world, O Nanak; nothing is stable or permanent. ||51|| To understand the "worry" subject, I recommend reading this article http://www.gurbani.org/articles/webart159.htm "Worry" wjkk wjkf no behna, please dont rely entirely on english translations, its better if u listen to meaning of this line by giani thakur singh ji, or by baba hari singh randhawa wale, or even sant gurbachan singh ji khalsa's katha!! moreover the english meaning u provided is by dr.sant singh khalsa. read the "english" meaning by bhai manmohan singh ji too: ਚਿੰਤਾ ਤਾ ਕੀ ਕੀਜੀਐ ਜੋ ਅਨਹੋਨੀ ਹੋਇ ॥ Only then one should worry, if a thing, not expected to happen, comes to pass. [which will never happen, as Maskeen ji says] ਇਹੁ ਮਾਰਗੁ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਕੋ ਨਾਨਕ ਥਿਰੁ ਨਹੀ ਕੋਇ ॥੫੧॥ This is the way of the world. None is ever stable, O Nanak. the main point is if u know punjabi, try to understand the meaning of "ਤਾ" if u cant listen these kathas.. then i can even provide u the links... its at gurmatveechar.com

www.gursevak.com

plzz improve your language!! thx

very nice... bolayyyy sooo nihaaal...........

check this out: http://www.sikhvibes.com/kirtan/index.php?...m+Shudh+Ucharan extremely clear!!! this one is really slow, so better download it and play with 1.5 times speed in media player!

thx a lot!!

go here.. http://www.mrsikhnet.com/index.php/audio-video-archive/ then click on education click on siri singh sahib click ion punjabi kathas!! great veechar.. especially the first one!!

ok.. benti haigi tht.. instead of searching for a Mahapurakh.. keep on doing ure naam abhiyaas.. rehit.. etc whtever u r doing.. u will meet those rare gurmukhs by your own kamayee.. becoz Vaheguru knows tht u have reached a certain avastha.. so HE will send a saint to u.. trust me.. there will be circumstances which will make u meet the saints.. but veerji.. 20 yrs.. it can go even for 20janams.. who knows.. so.. u r sooo desperate.. i respect u .. atleast u have the jigyasa.. then .. keep on the chardikalaa spirit. .dont give any dhil... when u will become a flower,, u will be plucked by HIM and place in the bouquet with other flowers (saints) .. if u r in canada.. toronto.. then go to Bhagatji (bhagat jaswant singh ji daudhar walay) he is very gupt.. doing massive massive seva by writing pothis ..! i hope i meet u someday and share ure experiences.. WJKK WJKF

ohhhhh.... grrrtttt!! THANKS... :awesome sewa. :aww

yeah... this thing happens,,, if u search in google.. and follow the link to sikhsangat.. u get the view as mehtab gets! hope tht helps admin!

WJKK WJKF Daas has been inspired by the sewa of pjs veer and so decided to give him a helping hand too. My translations won't be that good in english as pjs but, hope i improve Gurkirpa. MODS PLZZ MERGE ALL MASKEEN JI ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS IN ONE THREAD. THANKS!! this katha is on a salok form salok mehla 9 but Maskeen ji covers different topics as usual. so i hope u like it and apply it to ure life . CHINTA TA KI KIJIAI, JO ANHONI HOE WJKK WJKF The following veechar is of a Salok of Dhan Dhan Guru Teg Bahadur Sahib Ji: ਚਿੰਤਾ ਤਾ ਕੀ ਕੀਜੀਐ ਜੋ ਅਨਹੋਨੀ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਇਹੁ ਮਾਰਗੁ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਕੋ ਨਾਨਕ ਥਿਰੁ ਨਹੀ ਕੋਇ ॥੫੧॥ Generally, the arth of these panktis which the satsangis think, are not agreed by the scholars of grammar in gurbani. Chinta taaki kijiai.. it’s an interrogative form of a sentence. Human being has a chinta = worry. What kind of worry? “This work should happen.. what if it doesn’t happen? --> creates worry!”. “This work should not happen.. what if it happens? --> creates worry”. This is worry = chinta (from now on, I gonna say chinta). Chinta is a burden, a tension, and according to spiritual people, chinta hinders the growth of spirituality and thinking in humans. Chinta is like a wall between chintan(meditative thoughts), a wall between simran(meditation) and humans. Chinta brings along mental illness and mental illness brings physical illness. But Guru Nanak Dev ji says: ਚਿੰਤਤ ਹੀ ਦੀਸੈ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਇ ॥ Everyone has chinta, all are under the burden of chinta. Maskeen ji repeats again: This work should happen.. what if it doesn’t happen? --> creates worry!”. “This work should not happen.. what if it happens? --> creates worry”. That all is chinta. That’s it!! Nothing else. “what I feel should happen, must happen, what if it doesn’t? --> chinta!!” So how many are with chinta? Guru ji says --> ALL!! U belive it or not, everyone has chinta.. big, small, major, minor, everyone has some chinta! Chinta is a wall between God and humans. Chintan and chinta both are reflected on a humans forehead. Guru Teg Bahadur ji says.. u should do chinta if something anhonee (unexpected, impossible) happens. BUT, anhonee never happens !! (THIS IS THE WHOLE SUMMARY IN ONE LINE FOR THIS VEECHAR) everything that happens is honi (expected, possible). But human says, that he doesn’t want anhonee in his life. What he feels should happen, must happen. Anhonee = an means negation, honee = something that has to be happen, expected. So anhonee means something which is not to happen or unexpected. But Maharaj says.. what should happen, happens. And what should not happen, doesn’t happen!! A young man wants that old age should not come to him. But, in truth, old age will come. It’s a honee. U cannot convert honee to anhonee and vice versa, no matter how much powers he has. A person is born, honi is that he will die, but people consider death as an anhoni. No, it’s a honi, it will happen! A person is young, he will be old, that’s a honi, don’t think its an anhoni. U are in sukh (happiness), if dukh(sadness) comes, its not anhonee. Anhonee doesn’t happen, everything is honee. Do chinta only if anhonee happens, BUT there is no anhonee. ਜੋ ਹੋਆ ਹੋਵਤ ਸੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥ Whatever happened was bound to happen! Maskeen ji said that he was studying Dhamapadda – a granth of Mahatma Buddha. Its mentioned that there are 4 Noble truths, those who realize it is a brahmgyani (a person who has gained the knowledge of whole universe). Guru Granth Sahib ji contains these 4 truths as well and same goes with Samaysar – a granth of Mahavira (founder of Jainism). If u dig deeper, same message is in Upanishads. All the great saints of this earth have recognized these thruths are satsangis whomsoever recognized and applied it to the life are real truth seekers. Recognition is different than application in life. U understood something but u don’t accept it and hence do not apply it, then its useless. The thing/person which I don’t know or don’t accept is not in my life, not in my mind, not in my senses. Think carefully!! If the thing/person is not in my understanding, not in my mind, not in my acceptance, not in my thoughts, then its not present for me, even though in actual it is present!! What do u mean by “presence”, if I don’t know about it, if I don’t understand or if I don’t accept it. There are many things in this world, so what? I don’t know about them, so for me these things are not present. God may be everywhere, in every strand of hair, I don’t care, He is not present for me, because, I don’t know Him, I don’t accept HIM!! Its not just the young people who rejects oldage, its even the old people who don’t accept old age, so they can’t see oldage. There would be death, I don’t care, I don’t accept it, so its not in my life. So, in reality, there are very few people who understands and know everything, but even few who accepts those understandings. Knowing is an avastha, whereas accepting is a different avastha. Some people just accept without knowing, that’s called andhvishwaas (blindfaith). But, if he knows something, but don’t accept it, then no relation is created between him and the thing he knows. In animal life, they have God, they have dad, mom, dada, dadi, nana, nani, etc., but these animals don’t know about them, so these all relations are useless, not in their life. The reason to come to Gurughar is to know God, accept His Truth and starts the simran, chintan. First is to understand, then accept, else it would be blindfaith. Guru has praised the mahapurakhs, who understood the kalaa of God and accepted it. ਮੰਨੇ ਕੀ ਗਤਿ ਕਹੀ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਕਹੈ ਪਿਛੈ ਪਛੁਤਾਇ ॥ So, I repeat last time, that which u don’t know, or if u know but don’t accept, that thing is not in ure life, regardless of its omnipresence. As a human’s understanding grows, the more he knows about life, and depending on his level or growth of understanding, he describes God. For someone, his God is a mouse, for someone God is snake, for someone his God is a tree, for someone God is water, just fire, just a mere human. So, depending on the understanding of human, he even limits God in his understanding. So, back to the 4 noble truths. First, there is sadness. Second, every sadness has a reason, third, there is a way to get out of it and fourth, there is happiness as well. People even don’t know that they have sadness, that’s why prophets had to say again and again, ਬਾਲੀ ਰੋਵੈ ਨਾਹਿ ਭਤਾਰੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੁਖੀਆ ਸਭੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥ People see others laughing, jumping and dancing, in riches, beautiful, educated, but, in honest, all have some sadness!! If you accept it, you know the first truth. Now, every sadness has a reason. The reason is, agyaan (no knowledge) and that brings chinta. The solution is gyaan (knowledge). Guru Nanak Dev ji made us the followers of this light (gyaan, knowledge). ਉਤਪਤਿ ਪਰਲਉ ਸਬਦੇ ਹੋਵੈ ॥ ਸਬਦੇ ਹੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਓਪਤਿ ਹੋਵੈ ॥ The door of my house through which I enter, is also used as the exit door. Shabad (word of God) is what brings creation, and shabad is what brings end. Knowing of shabad is gyaan, and not knowing of shabad is agyaan. Shabad is the door to God. You came out of shabad, now to meet God, you have to go into the shabad. What is that shabad? Guru Gobind Singh Ji says, ਓਅੰਕਾਰ ਆਦਿ ॥ ਕਥਨੀ ਅਨਾਦਿ ॥Oankaar is the first sound of the universe. There is no sound before it. Whomsoever listenend it, listened all the sounds. Bhagat Kabir ji says, ਓਅੰਕਾਰ ਆਦਿ ਮੈ ਜਾਨਾ ॥ ਲਿਖਿ ਅਰੁ ਮੇਟੈ ਤਾਹਿ ਨ ਮਾਨਾ ॥ You cannot erase this word Oankaar, it’s the word from where the whole universe originated. It’s the sound of universe. Remember the first truth, there is sadness. Human lives in a hope that today there is sadness, tomorrow he would be happy. But the way he lives, sadness remains forever. Mahatma Buddha understood this first truth, no matter how rich he was, he was a kind. Guru Nanak Dev ji says, ਦੁਖ ਕੀਆ ਪੰਡਾ ਖੁਲ੍ਹ੍ਹੀਆ ਸੁਖੁ ਨ ਨਿਕਲਿਓ ਕੋਇ ॥ You tell one pain to someone, be ready to listen his 100 pains. Wise people never tell their pain, they know that they have to listen to 100 pains of other. So, hope should be abandoned, hope brings to future, but you need present, which is vartmaan, vart means you can use it, so you should live in present tense. Can you use the time which has been passed? Can you use the time which has to come? So, always live in present. Vartmaan is also ikdum (one breath). God will be realized in ikdum, so live in present. All the mahamantras in this world completes in ikdum. Ram finishes in ikdum, Allahhu in ekdum, Om, Waheguru finishes in ikdum (one breath). This one word in ikdum can make me a jogi (holy man) or a bhogi (a man in suffering). Ikdum is vartmaan. Life is also ikdum. The breath which has to come, you don’t know if it will come or not. Whereas the breath that you used, cannot be used again. ਹਮ ਆਦਮੀ ਹਾਂ ਇਕ ਦਮੀ ਮੁਹਲਤਿ ਮੁਹਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਣਾ ॥ When someone realizes that his life is ikdum, and he uses all his energy, all his thinking for that ikdum and utters Waheguru, then he gets the prakash. All chinta is finished. But the human thinks his life is of many years, now you carry on saying Waheguru Waheguru whole, God will not be realized. Only in ikdum, just once if you utter the name of God, that’s enough. Bhai Nand lal ji says that he never came into ikdum. Either he was busy getting the loan (future breaths, hope) or was busy in what he used (past breaths, memory). He never used the cash (ikdum, present). God will be realized in ikdum.ਨਿਰਬਾਣ ਕੀਰਤਨੁ ਗਾਵਹੁ ਕਰਤੇ ਕਾ ਨਿਮਖ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਜਿਤੁ ਛੂਟੈ ॥੧॥ Nimakh is one instant. eaek chth jih eik shhin dhhiaaeiou || kaal faas kae beech n aaeiou || 10|| Everything is flowing. Life is flowing. You get old day by day. You die day by day. If you don’t understand something, you don’t feel it, you don’t get dukh. Animals don’t feel this dukh, because they don’t know gyaan. Humans when in agyaan feel the dukh, when gyaan comes they are in sukh. So the solution of chinta, dukh is samajh (gyaan). Once you know, you understand, accept it, you finish chinta. Agyaan is darkness, even though things are present in room, you can’t see because of darkness. Whereas, gyaan is light, you get to see everything, and all chinta is finished. Agyaan, darkness can be for 100 of years, but lightness can come into one second, and you can turn darkness into lightness in ikdum and eradicate all chinta. Bhul chuk ki kshama, WJKK WJKF Link: http://maskeensahib.com/?p=p_24&sName=Various-Topics (the first 2)

everybody appreciates him... haha... nice humour

A rehnsbhayi on Sahibzadey's martyrdom should take place in this haveli.. in open... like puratan times.... ahhhh i can only imagine.. becoz if SGPC members c it.. then they will convert it into white marble gurughar to hold their black money!!

yeah... thts a sad phase.. u should watch the movie " Hotel Rwanada"..

WJKK WJKF kiddaan ji.. have a nice , happy and wonderful day.. happy b'day!! how's ure job? i met Jaspaul veer in Edmonton.. when r u coming to calgary? any plans?

good moral!!

man.. its hard to listen.. audio is not good.. mayb my speakers.. i wud urge someone to translate... or better.. make the audio more audible

bijla singh ji.. i dont write sophisticated english like others.. which is good for a in debate.. but though my post may look naive to u.. i would like you to comment on my above post too.. cuz i want to know whre am i standing too! thx

i again iterate.. yes.. interpretation and meanings change.. taksal meanings.. different than viakran.. different than nanaksar.. different than rara sahib.. different than nirmalaya interpretation (like Sant singh maskeen ji) so.. as Maskeen ji told.. ppl jump in the ocean from different places.. and get different valuables in the ocean .. and even go into different depths.. gurbani is hugeeeeeeee..... but yeah.. still we gotta make sure who is correct (else someone wud say tht he got fire from ocean.. which is stupidity).. so the surity is that all the arths.. though they may be different in the tone.. the moral\conclusion MUST BE ONE! .......................... as bijla singh ji told in his above post's last line "u can beleive whtever u want" i want to say that, if viakran tells that quran is wrong.. then was Baba Farid wrong too? NO WAY!!! WJKK WJKF