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I totally. agree to what you've said here actually....especially with 'just left to get on with it'. (but that happens in a literal way) But to be fairly honest, I prefer the fake smiles or politeness than the constant 'feeling' of stares all around you in a bus or other public places. Not to say that no one stares here...but it's still not that bad.

I understand what you're trying to say. But let's take the other victim. The guy. He was back from the cinema. Drunk or not, I'm not sure. Got on this bus. Was he 'asking' to get beaten up? How can we ever justify that someone just decides to beat him up?

Bhaji, I don't quite agree to your view about Germany here. My mother is a German. When my naanni last visited me, she said that Brits (where I live, at least) are very welcoming and quite unlike the Germans in that sense. She had asked for directions to a park from a couple of people. She really liked it how everyone replied with the word 'love' or 'sweetheart' in a sentence! This is an observation of a 75-year-old German. I'm from Germany as well (have asian looks though....see my DP ) But people here in the U.K, be it on the bus, in a shop...wherever.....are more polite and kinder than Germans.

He says, "...Bhagwaan ka naam le kar, haath pakarti, pair pakarti...itna duraachaar nahi hota." I can't believe how some self-proclaimed 'Guru' can say that a girl has to beg the man and fall at his feet in order to not get raped. I think it would be an insult to my saliva if I ever spat on such inhumane creatures!

What??!? Even if the girl was walking around without any clothes on, no one has right to rape her. No matter how wasted she was...whatever the time it was....whatever vehicle it was...no one has a right to rape someone.

I don't quite understand why people do it. Do they ask for ransoms etc. from the site owners?

LOL! well, it was 'about' the topic but not relevant to the discussion going on or let's say the question OP asked. I think it was a wrong choice of words. I should have typed "discussion" instead of "topic".

Not relevant to the topic. Wow! the discussion is on the 3rd page already and no quarrels and fights yet....nice to see a sane-minded discussion for a change. I wish it could always be like this.... (I hope my post doesn't jinx it!! :blink2: )

Mehtab Singh Bhaji, Although I clearly agree with what you've said, as I've 'liked' the post as well....I simply couldn't stop thinking about this video that was linked onto Gurmat Bibek forum. Don't get me wrong bhaji, it's a very inspirational video but Bhai Saheb ji say that after a month of keeping bibek, his body got weaker than before....also because he didn't know how to cook very well. So, after someone's advice, his mata ji got Amrit as well...so that Bhai saheb would agree to eat the food prepared my his mother. Now, I'm totally not saying it's wrong. In fact it is wonderful....like bhai saheb explain in the video that because of Bibek his mother got Amrit...then his father...then brother....and now 11 members of the family are Amritdhaari and strictly Sarbloh bibeki. What I can't stop thinking about is...that Bhai Saheb ji's mother also got Amrit coz of the reason stated above? Would it be wrong? The final outcome's amazing! But that single decision that mata ji made, to take amrit...so that she could feed Bhai saheb....I dunno.... What are your views about it? Hope I made a bit sense to get my point across. :huh2:

Post 1 This was the question. Post 6 The was 'probably' the OP's recent debate.

Lol! Haha I did exactly the same what happened to me. I your sister as well Back to the topic. I wasn't very sure about the meaning of the word deviant. So obviously I looked up, and this is what the dictionary says: de·vi·ant (d v - nt) adj. Differing from a norm or from the accepted standards of a society. n. One that differs from a norm, especially a person whose behavior and attitudes differ from accepted social standards. Now, the question would be, which society's norm? There are so many different societies and cultures and each one has different norms. The best bit: more or less all of it is man-made. Where there is Guru-ki-matt, i.e. Gurmat, there is no doubt ....because of its being the only norm!

No, it's not, Bhaji. But it is usually the best way to go about it. To actually accept that every one thinks and behaves differently solves many problems (and isn't really an easy thing to do!) For starters, one wouldn't impose their opinions on others....and because of that one wouldn't need to debate upon anything. This leads to calm and peace

I would've responded but it doesn't make much difference cos it's admin's job, isn't it? But, if you're looking for votes.... I agree there should be a spiritual section too. On the other hand, wouldn't that be a bit similar to the Intellectual discussions section?

Bhaji, I think you meant these tuks: ਕਬਹੂ ਹੋਇ ਪੰਡਿਤੁ ਕਰੇ ਬਖ੍ਯ੍ਯਾਨੁ ॥ Sometimes, as scholars, they deliver lectures. ਕਬਹੂ ਮੋਨਿਧਾਰੀ ਲਾਵੈ ਧਿਆਨੁ ॥ Sometimes, they hold to silence in deep meditation. I don't mean to put you down bhaji...but the word mondhaari is for one who practices silence. It doesn't mean the punjabi word monna. Bhaji, what the above post states is actually true. The Amritdhari dad isn't really supposed to give his daughter away to someone who doesn't practice rehat etc.

Yeah, I thought I should be expanding a bit on this...but then I thought it would be an insult to you in case you already did know! :bl: Well, I'm assuming that you're aware of the basic sa re ga ma pa dha ni keys on the Harmonium. Those keys on the middle of the Harmonium are Madh Saptak. Madh : middle Sapt : 7 (oooh! your lucky number ) Saptak: containing 7. It's technically an octave....but in Indian classical music the last Sa belongs to the next saptak. Also, the literal translation of an octave would be 'ashtak'. So, doesn't make much sense there. An image about saptak on Harmonium. Mandr : lower (dunno if that's the literal meaning) Taar : higher ( " ) The above picture shows the saptaks very well but a horrible depiction od komal and Ma teevar sur. Usually the Mandr saptak keys are denoted with a dot beneath them and the Taar saptak keys with the dot above them. But then again, it's in English. Compare the image below to the one above to see the way octaves can be moved around according to the Sa you choose. The followinf images are a Punjabi notation, from the website of Jawaddi Taksaal and shows a bit how keys are normally written. Simple explanation for Ma teevar sur: When all the shudh(pure/normal) keys and Komal keys are marked, there is only one left, right next to Shudh Ma. That is a Teevar Ma. Now, one might ask why this is Teevar and the other Komal. In this case, Teevar : slightly higher Komal : slightly lower (komal = soft) This video explains a bit about the sargam and how Sa can be changed accoording to the scale you want to sing on. Hope this helps a bit :smile2:

Dear Singh1234567 Bhaji, (I sometimes wonder why the numbers stopped at 7...) I've never before written a notation in English. I'm not aware about the standard key map of their transliteration to English...so, I'm gonna make my own to get the point across. Madh Saptak: sa re ga ma pa dha ni Taar Saptak: SA RE GA MA PA DHA NI Komal sur : -re-, -ga-, -dha-, -ni-, -RE-, -GA-, -DHA-, -NI- 1 2 3 4 | 5 6 7 8 | 9 10 11 12 | 13 14 15 16 SA SA SA -dha- ma -ga- -ga- -ga- SA ni SA SA SA SA ni -dha- Jha garh dang na garh dang ba garh dang ba je 1 2 3 4 | 5 6 7 8 | 9 10 11 12 | 13 14 15 16 -ga- -ga- ma ma -dha- -dha- ni ni SA SA SA ni SA SA SA SA gaa garh dang ga ji ma ha ga j ga je 1 2 3 4 | 5 6 7 8 | 9 10 11 12 | 13 14 15 16 -GA- -GA- -GA- -GA- -GA- -GA- MA MA -GA- -GA- SA ni SA SA SA SA gaa garh dang ga ji ma ha ga j ga je The above notation is a only a very basic version of what they've sung throughout the shabad. If you listen carefully, Bhai Saheb have sung many different versions of the chorus! Amazing!!! Also, Kaagardang Kaati Kataari Karaakang is along the keys of Gaagarhdang gaji mahaa Gaj Gaaje. I hope the notation helps a bit. But I repeat, this is only a basic and very much simpler version of how it's been sung. It's almost hard to match the way Bhai Saheb have sung.

Is he? When? What award?

Two simple steps: 1) Be true to yourself. Judging from your post, it seems you're not being entirely truthful even to your own self...which can lead you down to a long, dark and deluded path. 2) You have to want to change whatever you feel is necessary for a change. Without that wantonness, it's almost impossible.

Haye Rabba!!! This feels SO humiliating!!!! :ashamed: Is he intending to appear on the show dressed like this?

It would take a bit of time for me to write it all down and so on...but if there is specific scale or 'Sa' that you would like to use...I could write it accordingly! :smile2: In the meantime, have you listened to Bhai Baljeet Singh's version? :pluggedin:

Why do you not want them to use the old blanket? Is it because it's old or is it unusable?

"He stated the preliminary investigation revealed that Ms Gill had come to Pakistan to learn black magic." Good God! :blink2:

Yes, probably from the exterior...but what was their thought process? What were their vibes? I find it very hard to imagine that they could simply be someone like you and me! I dunno may be it IS that simple and the Shaheedi they attained was all Guru's Kirpa!!!

Is it actually true that there's a ban on alcohol trade/consumption in Gujrat? Editted: oh! here it is! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_India#Gujarat I wonder what made them to do that? It can't be because of Dwaarka (religious grounds) coz the ban is in other three states and a union territory as well. I don't understand. Why only these few states?

Amazing! Waheguru! :waheguru: Just reading about such stuff gives me goosebumps. I can't imagine how such people would've actually been like in real life.