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Sangat Ji, I am providing a small donation to Everything's 13 and the great thing is my work place (Salesforce) will match my monthly donation so essentially the donation becomes doubled. Salesforce need to verify the status of Everything's 13 charitable status as well as contact a member of the charity to set up the donation process/verify bank details. I have contacted Everything's 13 as per there website contact details but have received no reply to e-mail and the phone number seems dead. Can anyone confirm a person that can be contacted at the charity so that I can provide the correct contact details to Salesforce? Harpreet

Poster attached! Fathe Divas Poster Eng2.bmp

Raaj Karega Khalsa! 300 years ago, against all odds, the first Khalsa Raaj was established under the leadership of Baba Banda Singh Bahadhur Ji with the blessing given by Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Join us in paying respect to the countless Khalsa Warriors and commemorate this occasion with a special programme taking place at: Guru Arjun Dev Ji Gurdwara, Derby 30th May 2010 from 2pm till 11pm Visit www.emcg.co.uk for more information! :rolleyes: See you at the event! :rolleyes: [/center]

i dont have a xbox or a ps3....the last console i had was a sega dreamcast! therefore is it possible for pc users to play the games mentioned along with xbox/ps3 players and dont suppose there is a crowd of singhs playing counter strike source or team fortress 2?

Kirtan Darbar in Leicester organised by DMU and Leicester University. Date: Weds 21st November, from 6pm til 10pm At: Guru Nanak Gurdwara, 9 Holy Bones, Leicester, LE1 4LJ. Many kirtannies from the Midlands as well as the country will be attending for this sikh soc event, including people such as Manvir Singh. Kirtan will be accompanied by translations and katha, in English. Also, plenty of opportunity to do various types of seva, so make sure your there! For more information and contact details have a look at the poster below. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paintballing in the following week organised by various East Midlands Sikh Soc sevadaars at Delta Force. Date: Wednesday 28 November from approx 9am till 4.30pm You get, for £20, 10-12 games, 100 free paintballs, all equipment, overalls and gas for the gun, free refreshments and transport to the event. A coach is going from Leicester and De Montfor uni, and another coach from Nottingham and Nottingham Trent Uni. This event, as the kirtan darbar is, open to all so come along and bring your friends for a good shoot out. Contact your uni, or closest uni for the extra details and transport information.

Fathe As with many Sikh leaders, people seem to find it easy to sit behind a computer and critique the leader, without (from my general experiences) having done a great deal themselves. Some people you will never make happy, if a leader doesn’t support Khalistan he is a traitor, if he does support Khalistan, for one reason or another which comes into existence he is also a traitor, or at least not a good leader. Also "jss" it seems fairly obvious to me that you do not have a favorable opinion of Chauhan, and therefore you are simply trying to bring him down with your "questions". Could you please let the sangat here know exactly how you have helped the people of Punjab? In terms of recent events, I know that he had set up a medical clinic to help the poor and needy. Finally as common sense suggests you may have had these questions, but in my opinion, it isn’t appropriate to ask questions in such close proximity to someone’s death. An no, not all great leaders lead there troops into battle, in military strategy there is something called command and control, something you cant do if your leadership ranks are killed in every encounter. As DKI has pointed out, Taran seems to have a limited scope in relation to political science; symbolism (i.e. the embassies) is a very important factor of a movement. And as I recall Chauhan did not just "sit in London" and yes successes and achievement in the Panth are un-questionably due to Shaheeds but that does not imply people who are still alive haven’t achieved anything. Claims such as "And not many ppl in UK mourn Chauhan" also need to be substantiated, please let us know how you know this is the truth, have you carried out a survey and if so what statistical methods did you use to select your sample size. Did you select it from one geographical location, or judging from your statement, I think it is fair to assume you traveled up and down the country asking people. What I am trying to get at is that we can sit around comfortably and criticise every single person, but we don’t tend to look at our own weaknesses. From my experiences, very few people who criticise have done much themselves but are happy creating further problems and rifts. I will be the first to say that Chauhan may have not been a 100% perfect leader, but we should be happy with the fact that he did what he could, gave up his livelihood and kept on campaigning to the end. For those of you who feel as though he could have done more, no one is stopping you from doing something with your own hands, so feel free to go forward and improve the Panth. While I consider myself to do very little, I do not bring down those that have done something, and am always on the lookout to contribute in any way possible I can. Stop criticising and start working together, no one will do everything perfectly.

Excellent points.