Jump to content


  • Content count

  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won


Everything posted by proactive

  1. India's Guilty Secret

    Manmohan Singh belongs to that small coterie of essentially keshadhari Hindus who would sell their own mothers to get power. This coterie included Zail Singh, Khushwant Singh and the Badals etc. Manmohan Singh served a useful purpose to the Hindu ruling elite in that having a visible 'Sikh' could be used to effectively deny that Sikhs were being discriminated against. I am in total agreement with you that we need to present MS in terms that the west understand. The best example would be Vidkun Quisling. a traitor who was used and allowed himself to be used by the Nazis to rule occupied Norway during WW2. His name is now a byword for traitor. He was executed by the Norway govt in 1945. Another example are those British the most prominent being the former King Edward VIII who is said to have stated before the Blitz began that peace between Britain and Germany would come once Britain was effectively bombed by Germany. Traitors exist in all nations and among all communities. The most effective response to those who use Manmohan Singh as an example of Sikhs being treated fairly in India is ask whether the other party is aware that had Hitler invaded Britain in 1940 there would literally have been thousands of British people such as the members of Mosely's British union of fascists who numbered over over 20000 in 1939 who would betrayed their country to be a part of Hitler's occupation government.
  2. Anand Karaj

    This scheme isn't really realistic. After decades of laxity you cannot suddenly expect everyone to conform. The way forward should be to allow Anand Karaj for now for those who are of a Sikh background and have not adopted any other religion. The Anand Karaj course is a good step and all couples having an Anand Karaj should be made to take this course. For making Amrit manditatory for Anand Karaj we should concentrate on the next generation- the kids who are now in their early years and make sure that there is strong parchar among them and create a strong Sangat for them. In time taking Amrit before Anand Karaj will become the norm for these kids and for the generations following them.
  3. Did Khalistanis kill Chamkila! ?

    He was no ordinary singer and his songs were filled with sexual innuendo and were a departure from the Punjabi songs of the time. He really brought gand into Punjabi songs and as such it is possible that he became a victim of the Samaj Sudhar campaign of the Kharkoos which was in full swing at the time. Singers such as Chamkila are no ordinary people as their songs can influence both the listeners as well as society in general. How can the degradation of society and slide towards immorality be stopped when the singers that promote these two things are so popular? The sad fact about Chamkila's life is that he used his talents to corrupt society rather than reform it. He came from a low caste background and he could have used his talent fight for a more just society. His two religious songs Baba Tera Nankana and Talwar Main Kalgidhar di haan are among his most powerful songs but unfortunately he will always be known for his crude and pornographic songs.
  4. Is India overated?

    Apart from the PC there is also the fact that the west knows that Indians especially the ruling classes are very insecure and need endless amounts of flattery in order to get them to do the west's bidding. The west needs India to buy it's goods and services and to use India's cheap labour. In essence India is still a colony of the west as the west like the British rulers before 1947 use India as a supplier of raw materials (and labour) and then sell the value added goods and services to the Indian consumer. India's population at the moment is it's biggest advantage as the west needs India's consumers for its goods and services, But wait a few decades or even less than that when the impact of AI and robotics replace million of jobs around the world. Western countries are already considering things like universal basic income. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/31/finland-universal-basic-income The west can afford such innovative ways of paying people to do nothing because their jobs have been replaced by robots and AI. What will happen to countries like India? When the west does not need it's cheap labour. When the millions of cybercoolies manning it's call centres become unemployed as AI replaces their jobs?
  5. He is probably one of the few rich Sikhs who are using their wealth to help people. He saved a number of Apnay who were facing death sentence in Dubai or Abu Dhabi and got them safely home by paying blood money.
  6. Not every farmer who is in extreme debt has taken a loan out because he wants to show off to the rest of the village. This is a perception that some vested interests try to create. Farming has been unproductive for many years now with input prices increasing and only a pittance paid for the produce. Either the farmer sits at home or he farms and in so doing has to take out loans to cover the input costs. The GOI has a monopoly on the produce of the Punjabi farmer and he has to wait months to get paid for his produce. The Indian colonial set up in Punjab is created so that raw produce is brought from the Punjabi farmer cheaply and processed outside the state and then sold at a higher rate. This is the same thing that the British did when they ruled India where they brought raw materials from the colony and these were processed in the mills and factories in the the UK and sold back to the Indians. The are a number of Sikh charities now which are concentrating on Sikh issues. Sikh Relief helps Sikh prisoners and their families as well as the families of those who gave their lives in the Sikh freedom struggle. British Sikh Council has taken up the Vanjara and Sikligar issue over the last few years. Hopefully these and other Sikh charities who are solely working on Sikh issues will overtake Khalsa Aid in future and the Sangat's money will go towards helping our community to meet and pass the challenges it faces from our enemies.
  7. It's all relative. A drug epidemic in an country that is independent is quite different and less dangerous for that country than one in a state that has a bare Sikh majority and that is controlled by an oppressive government of another community and which is hell bent on destroying the Sikh population by all means at its disposal. And the Khalsa Aid muppets think that using the Sangat's funds in Punjab is only appropriate if there is an earthquake there! These muppets don't understand that there is an earthquake of farmer suicides, drug addiction, pollution and cancer in Punjab every month and yet these arrogant people are off to 'waste money in areas where tens of millions is being spent by other larger charities. You are right that KA is now all about marketing and collecting money. I am sure they work on some formula that one image of a Nishan Sahib raised in a far flung place is worth many thousands of pounds in donations as are images and videos of their volunteers in KA t-shirts giving out food to refugees. What is interesting is that they use their posts on facebook to ask for donations when they have £2.5 million in their bank account. At a time when our community is under siege in Punjab and the likelihood is that Sikhs will lose their majority in Punjab in the next few decades we need to make sure that every penny of the Sangat's money is used wisely and ONLY in ensuring that it is used for the welfare of Sikhs. That is why apart from other charities working with Sikligars etc, the only other charity I donate to is Sikh Relief. This used to be mainly help Sikh prisoners in India and their families but has since started to expand to organising Gurmat camps, dastar tying camps and other Sikh parchar activities. These people are the ones that are making an effort to raise the next Sikh generation. I would put the difference between this charity and KA in blunt terms as Sikh relief is raising the next Sikh generation while Khalsa Aid is raising the next Muslim generation!
  8. Why is there a need for a Sikh organisation specialising in 'humanitarian crisis' when there are over 100 or more such organisations with multi-million pound budgets? What is the need for such an Sikh organisation which will duplicate the work of these other organisations? Is a few facebook posts and some newspaper and youtube coverage worth the lives of Sikhs who could have been helped had the Khalsa Aid funds been exclusively used for Sikhs. Khalsa Aid has over £2.5 million in the bank. If it chose to it could set up counseling centres in Punjab for the Punjabi farmers weighed down under debt. It could feed, clothe and educate EACH and EVERY Sikh orphan whose parents gave their lives of the Sikh cause and those whose parents were mercilessly butchered in Delhi. It could pay a pension to each family of the Shaheeds of 1984 and after. After this there would still be enough money to set up a few parchar centres to counter the parchar of the Christian missionaries so we wouldn't always hear negative stories of poor Sikhs being converted to Christianity. Imagine that, there is a Sikh who many like to project as some sort of diaspora Bhagat Puran Singh who has it in his hands to solve over 50% of the issues that plague the Sikhs of Punjab and yet he CHOOSES NOT TO. But I suppose that's the needs of the Sikhs of Punjab are not HUMANITARIAN ENOUGH for Ravi Singh. That kind of effort would only get publicity and goodwill in the Sikh community but he is hungry for publicity from non-Sikhs so Sikhs in need will need to wait until he comes around to them. A few months ago one of the KA organisers was off on a jaunt to the British Virgin Islands as if the British Govt which is annually gives billions in foreign aid would be negligent in providing aid to their own territories! Really these Khalsa Aid people need to spend some of their money in the banks and get some brain scans done! Sikh groups helping Sikhs have come about because some Sikhs realise that KA is taking the Sikhs for a ride and not helping Sikhs. It is only lately that KA has had to make some efforts in Punjab otherwise they would happily bypass Sikh issues. The issue here is that whereas other religions go out to help just their own adherents, we have stupid Sikhs like KA and United Sikhs also helping non-Sikhs. No non-Sikh organisation will help Sikhs and if it does then it will be for dubious reasons.
  9. The lame thing is that you chose to put lol IN MY QUOTE! You sad sad man.
  10. You know the same Sikhs that had a decade before given the British the biggest challenge of their lives were the first to volunteer to take on the Purabias! So did these Sardars suddenly become boot lickers and lose all self respect or did they make a conscious decision to take fight on the British side to stop the re-emergence of the Mughal empire under Bahadur Shah II? The syrupy words you claim were coming from all three communities as they battled with each other to advance their communities. As for the Sikhs of the pre-1947 generation the pappus that lead Khalsa Aid or United Sikhs are a poor comparison. Which Sakhi actually teaches that Sikhs should not help fellow Sikhs (of which there are millions at the moment) and go off a thousand miles away to replicate the work of other charities. It is not as if Khalsa Aid is the only charity working there, countries are pumping in millions into the relief work and the tens of thousands of pounds Ravi Singh and publicity hungry organisation will expend from the Panth's coffers would have been much better spent in Punjab.
  11. Dehli Air pollution

    It was caused by the usual pollution from Industry but what had tipped it over the edge was the stupid decision by Captain that he would stop stubble burning. The farmers obeyed but then all at once decided to burn the stubble. If the stubble had been burnt in stages as usually happens then it would not have been that bad. Unfortunately the pollution has also affected Punjab as well. If the pollution was only hitting the Delhiwalas then I would have no problem with them having their throats burnt just as they did to the Sikhs in 1984.
  12. Dyal Singh Majithia was a Brahmo Samaji and he left his wealth with had been generated by the exertions of his Sikh ancestors to a trust managed by Bengalis. His non-Sikh lifestyle was used to show that he was Hindu and thus governed by the Hindu religious law of inheritance. These Bengalis turned The Tribune newspaper into an anti-Sikh paper. I couldn't care less if the college remains Dyal Singh college or is renamed.
  13. Non-stop flight to Amritsar

    It's a catch 22 situation. Travel direct to Amritsar and show that there is demand for the direct flight but then at the same time put your hard earned money into the genocidal Indian government which has murdered tens of thousands of our fellow Sikhs. Given the choice I would go via Turkmenistan airlines and at least keep some of my hard earned money from the zalim sarkar.
  14. JAGTAR SINGH FreeJaggi

    I disagree that the actions taken are useless. If anything the united front that we have shown have unnerved the Indian govt. To have questions asked in the British parliament stating that an British citizen has been tortured would have caused embarrassment to the Indian govt. The fact that Sikh leaders around the world like Jagmeet Singh criticising the treatment of Jagtar Singh Jaggi will have put more pressure on the GOI. Does that image look familar? No. it's not Jaggi but Jaswant Singh Azad and it's not from 2017 but from 2012 when an elderly Sikh maningh Azad from Sunderland in UK was arrested and framed in Punjab with the same charges as Jaggi faces now. It took him 5 long years and it was only in July this year that he was finally cleared. https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/crime/sunderland-shopkeeper-arrested-in-india-over-alleged-terrorism-and-gun-offences-1-5008858 https://sikhsiyasat.net/2017/07/26/bhai-daljit-singh-bittu-jaswant-singh-azad-acquitted-jalandhar-uapa-case/ Jaswant Singh Azad did not have British MPs asking questions about his treatment, he didn''t have Sikhs around the world rally to his support. This is the difference between 2012 and now. We are more united and we can carry out a well co-ordinated campaign for a fellow Sikh suffering in India. If you look back historically we have had prominent Sikhs not just tortured but murdered in Punjab and yet the Sikhs abroad did not even organise a protest. So I think we shouldn't dismiss what we have achieved in just a few weeks. That fat oaf Amarinder has pretty much turned all Sikhs abroad against him. Do you think he will be able to come to any western country now. If the Sikh organisations use the legal pathways that are available they could have him arrested when he places one step in a western country. We Sikhs should be using the same legal techniques that the Palestinians are using abroad where many Israeli politicians cannot come to some western countries as they could be arrested for abetting torture. Already images of the police dog who tortured Jaggi have been put on facebook. He is known to visit Canada and it should now be up to Sikh organisations to use the law in Canada so that the next time he steps foot in Canada he is arrested for his crimes. That would put a stop to the impunity enjoyed by the Punjab police dogs.
  15. I say well done to those guys. The committee sell out above was probably the one who invited him to the Gurdwara. This should happen at every Gurdwara where the Indian dogs come to spy on the Sikhs.
  16. Is Sikhism really hijacked by Jattism ?

    Khalsa college was founded by the manager of Sri Nankana Sahib management committee in the mid-1930s mainly as a college where the lower castes that Dr Ambedkar had promised would convert to Sikhism would be taught. We need to beware when accepting the anti-Akali dal trope that the Akalis or Jat leaders refused to admit Dr Ambedkar to Sikhi. This is a lie that has gained currency especially after 1984 as a way of showing that the Akali Dal has never had the best interests of the Sikhs. Dr Ambedkar did show an inclination to become a Sikh and it was because of this that Sardar Narain Singh the manager of the Sri Nankana Sahib estate management committee was chosen to go to Bombay and set up a college for the lower caste converts. If the Akalis really did not have lower caste Sikhs then why did they set up missionary centres to convert low caste Hindus to Sikhism in places like Hapur, Aligarh and even places in the south such as Mysore? The SGPC even set up a printing press in Bombay ostensibly for the use of Dr Ambedkar to print his newspaper and books. It goes to the credit of Dr Ambedkar that he returned all the money spent on the printing press when he did not convert to Sikhism. There might be other reasons for why he did not convert to Sikhism but to blame the SGPC or Akali Dal or 'Jats' is clearly false. With regard to Sikhism being hijacked by Jats that is not the case at all. Do Jats place Bhagat Dhanna Jat as a Guru equivalent to the Gurus as some others castes have done lately with Bhagats of their background? That would be hijacking a religion. Has any Jat Sikh ever expressed disappointment that none of the Gurus belonged to a Jat background? The fact is that Sikhs from a Jat background are majority of Sikhs and hence they control most of the institutions of the Panth which is natural given that we use democratic means to select our leaders. If the Jat Sikhs were say, 2% of the Sikh population and they had the influence and leadership positions they have now ( just as Brahmins have in Hindusm) then it would fair to say that they have hijacked Sikhism. In places like Delhi where the number of Jat Sikhs among the Sikh population are miniscule there are no Jat Sikhs in leadership positions.
  17. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sikh-youth-uk-muslim-film-university-tommy-robinson-edl-sex-groomers-islamophobia-racism-a8002526.html Read the above earlier today. It is a total hit piece against the great work done by Panthic organisation Sikh Youth UK. It has quotes from that odious leftie Balwinder Rana of the one man 'Sikhs against the EDL' and the dhimmi Katy Sian who incidentally won the 'heroes' against the Islamophobia awards from the Islamic Human Rights council, an organisation which is an oxymoron in itself. It looks like the liberal sell out fake sikhs can't handle the fact that Sikh organisations like SYUK are making such a huge impact in the community so they have started their character assassinations of this organisation. The Rana <banned word filter activated> has even tried to assassinate the character of Bhai Mohan Singh of SAS because he spoke at the Football Lad's march last month. The left wing sell out one man band organisations like 'Sikhs against the EDL' and 'Turban Campaign' are seen for the jokes that they are in the community and so they want to try and throw some mud on SYUK and see if any will stick.
  18. The history of the Punjabi Hindu after the annexation of the Punjab was one of disloyalty to both Punjab and their mother tongue Punjabi. Under the Sikh rule the Hindus were able to practice their religion without any restrictions for the first time in a thousand years. Yet a few decades after British took over Punjab the Punjabi Hindus were joining anti-Sikh organisations like the Arya Samaj and advocating Hindi as the language of Punjab. The Punjabi Hindu leadership supported the mahants against the Akalis. They only made common cause with Sikhs in 1946-47 because they knew only the Sikhs would be able to withstand the Pakstan demand. Yet soon after partition the Punjabi Hindus were back to their usual traitorous ways and denying Punjabi language and opposed every demand that was for the benefit of Punjab. You may be right that the Congress was responsible for the massacres of 1984 but the foundations of their genocidal policies were provided by the Hindu Punjabi over the centuries.
  19. Is Punjab for Sikhs?

    The simple fact is that Muslims were 53.3% of the population of Punjab in 1941 and the Hindus were 29.1% and the Sikhs were 14.91%. In 1947 the Muslims took 58% ( 207,400 sq km) of the Punjab as a part of their Pakistan. In 1966 the Hindus took 27.92% ( 99,885 sq km) of the area of pre-partition Punjab as their Haryana and Himachal Pradesh. This has left the present Punjab which is 14.01% of the area of the pre-partition Punjab. So in answer to your question, yes the Punjab does BELONG to the Sikhs as this is the area that they are entitled to even though it is slightly less than the Sikh share of the population of pre-partition Punjab.
  20. The media and the liberal elites hate Tommy because he states his views about the way the elites have allowed people into this country without any vetting. The elites do not face the sharia patrols or the child grooming as they live far away from the problem areas and it is the common people like Tommy who's families face these. If you watch his videos he has educated himself on how dangerous Islamic extremism is for this county and he now had enough knowledge to understand when he is being lied to by Muslims. You can't really fault his views because these views are formed by both his experience. As Sikhs we should admire him as he is out there putting his life in danger and his faced with hostility not just from extremist Muslims but the whole Muslim community as well as the left wing media and the political establishment. The same people who are against Tommy are the same people who are against Sikhs and would not lose an opportunity to show us in a bad light while walking on eggshells when dealing with Muslims. Look at the one man band called Sikhs against the EDL. They have never even dealt the child grooming issue and try and post a contrary view to theirs and they will ban you from their facebook profile. They are the real fascists. The reason why people like Tommy exist is not because there is a inherent racism among the white British but because of the fact that some Muslims have engaged in not just terrorism but also child grooming across the UK. Had there been no Muslims engaging in terrorism in the UK and there were no child grooming going on then people like Tommy would not exist.
  21. Don't waste your time, she is just the sort of lefty snowflake who will claim she has been threatened if anyone emails her and challenges her on her idiotic views.
  22. For the UK media Muslims are the protected species, any wrong they do has to deflected onto the wider Asian community but if some Sikhs or Hindus do something wrong then their religion is highlighted in the headlines.
  23. Here's so more news of what happened prior to the Mynamar army actions against the Rohingyas. I was watching that odious Arnaab Goswami on RTV and he had a debate about this issue. One the Muslims who was defending the Rohingyas said that how can we be sure these are Hindu bodies, Hindus don't bury their dead!! Myanmar's killing fields: 45 Hindu bodies are found in mass graves as authorities accuse Rohingya Muslims of carrying out massacre Bodies of 45 Hindus including children found in mass graves in Myanmar Army say they were slaughtered by Rohingya Muslims and 48 are still missing Military has driven 480,000 Rohingya across the border to Bangladesh The UN has accused the army of ethnic clensing, which armed forces deny By Afp and Chris Pleasance for MailOnline PUBLISHED: 18:32, 27 September 2017 | UPDATED: 19:16, 27 September 2017 e-mail 331shares 2 View comments Myanmar troops have uncovered the bodies of 45 Hindu villagers as the army accused Rohingya Muslims of carrying out a massacre. Soldiers say they are still searching for another 48 missing Hindus who are feared dead after the discovery of mass graves in Rakhine state containing skeletal remains, including of women and children. Army chiefs say the villagers were killed by Rohingya militants who also attacked police outposts. They say this justifies a brutal crackdown which has seen 480,000 people from the minority sect flee across the border to Bangladesh in a month. +11 Myanmar's army has accused Rohingya Muslims of massacring Hindu villagers in Rakhine state after the bodies of 45 people, including women and children, were found in mass graves +11 Witnesses said masked men stormed their village armed with machetes before hacking people to death. The army has used attacks such as this to justify their crackdown on the Rohingya +11 Myanmar authorities have accused Rohingya of violence against Buddhists and Hindus in Rakhine state, as well as attacking police The UN has accused troops of systematically evicting the Rohingya, who have faced decades of persecution in the mainly Buddhist country. Rights groups accuse troops of using arson to force the Rohingya out and block their return, a charge the army denies, accusing the Muslim minority of burning down their own homes. RELATED ARTICLES Previous 1 Next British filmmaker is shot dead by ISIS jihadists in Syria...Did £1 million Guantanamo Bay payout fund ISIS ringleader?... SHARE THIS ARTICLE Share The army has restricted press access to the conflict zone, including by independent observers who have asked to verify the presence of mass graves, and the identities of those inside. The military has posted regular updates that blame Rohingya militants for the bloodshed, leading to allegations of a cover-up On Wednesday a Myanmar minister, Win Myat Aye, was quoted in state media as saying the government would manage all fire-damaged land in Rakhine, a development likely to raise concern about the Rohingya refugees' ability to return. +11 In the space of just a month 480,000 Rohingya have been driven across the border to Bangladesh as whole villages have been burned to the ground +11 Relatives of the dead have blamed the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army, a group of militants associated with the Muslim sect, of carrying out the killings +11 Picutred is a burned out village near Maungdaw township, which was once Muslim-majority but has now been almost entirely cleared of the religious group +11 Hindu leaders say the graves were only located because eight women were spared after agreeing to convert to Islam and being brought to Bangladesh The army and government have also sought to highlight the suffering of other ethnic groups swept up in the unrest, such as Rakhine Buddhists and Hindus. On Wednesday the army flew journalists to the place where the mass graves of 45 Hindu villagers. The decomposing skeletal bodies remained laid out in rows on a grassy field outside the village of Ye Baw Kyaw as distraught relatives wailed. Locals have helped identify 25 of the corpses, according to the government's Information Committee. Hindus who fled the area have told AFP that masked men stormed into their community that day and hacked victims to death with machetes before dumping them into freshly-dug pits. Speaking to media on the army-led press trip, Maung Ba, a 32-year-old Hindu, said several of his relatives were among those brutally murdered. 'I identified them based on their clothes and body shape,' he said solemnly. Ni Maul, a Hindu leader who has helped with the search, said authorities found the graves using testimony from eight Hindu women who were spared and brought to Bangladesh after they agreed to convert to Islam. 'They kept the beautiful eight women alive to marry,' he said. +11 A woman weeps as she helps to identify the bodies of relatives and neighbours among the dead. Local authorities say 25 people have been identified so far +11 Hindus in Rakhine state accuse the Rohingya of oppression, and say they have been targeted in refugee camps by preachers trying to force them to convert to Islam +11 Hindu women weep over the decomposing bodies of relatives who they believe were killed by members of a militant Rohingya organisation +11 While journalists have been allowed to visit the sites of mass graves, under escort by the army, independent observers have not, leading some to allege a cover-up Four Hindu women displaced in Bangladesh told AFP they were among the eight who escaped the massacre in the same area of Kha Maung Seik, with eight children in tow. 'We begged for our lives, asking they spare the women,' 22-year-old Bina Sheel told AFP at a small village for Hindu refugees in the Bangladeshi border district of Cox's Bazar. 'They asked if we would marry them. We said yes, to save our lives.' All four women said they were taken to Rohingya Muslim camps inside Bangladesh by the attackers. Sheel said her captor urged her to convert to Islam before she was brought to the Hindu village by a local leader. The accounts could not be independently confirmed. The crisis has intensified religious hatreds and fuelled ethnically-charged claims and counterclaims. The focal point of the unrest, Rakhine's Maungdaw district, was once home to several religious communities, with the Rohingya a majority. But vast swathes of the border region are now completely emptied of Muslim residents. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4926446/Rohingya-accused-mass-killings-Hindus-Myanmar.html#ixzz4twtWCKU0 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
  24. Beta you put a comment here stating-; So you have a POSITION which is that there is bile and hate put spoken(?) here that has nothing to do with Sikhi.