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  1. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sikh-youth-uk-muslim-film-university-tommy-robinson-edl-sex-groomers-islamophobia-racism-a8002526.html Read the above earlier today. It is a total hit piece against the great work done by Panthic organisation Sikh Youth UK. It has quotes from that odious leftie Balwinder Rana of the one man 'Sikhs against the EDL' and the dhimmi Katy Sian who incidentally won the 'heroes' against the Islamophobia awards from the Islamic Human Rights council, an organisation which is an oxymoron in itself. It looks like the liberal sell out fake sikhs can't handle the fact that Sikh organisations like SYUK are making such a huge impact in the community so they have started their character assassinations of this organisation. The Rana <banned word filter activated> has even tried to assassinate the character of Bhai Mohan Singh of SAS because he spoke at the Football Lad's march last month. The left wing sell out one man band organisations like 'Sikhs against the EDL' and 'Turban Campaign' are seen for the jokes that they are in the community and so they want to try and throw some mud on SYUK and see if any will stick.
  2. The media and the liberal elites hate Tommy because he states his views about the way the elites have allowed people into this country without any vetting. The elites do not face the sharia patrols or the child grooming as they live far away from the problem areas and it is the common people like Tommy who's families face these. If you watch his videos he has educated himself on how dangerous Islamic extremism is for this county and he now had enough knowledge to understand when he is being lied to by Muslims. You can't really fault his views because these views are formed by both his experience. As Sikhs we should admire him as he is out there putting his life in danger and his faced with hostility not just from extremist Muslims but the whole Muslim community as well as the left wing media and the political establishment. The same people who are against Tommy are the same people who are against Sikhs and would not lose an opportunity to show us in a bad light while walking on eggshells when dealing with Muslims. Look at the one man band called Sikhs against the EDL. They have never even dealt the child grooming issue and try and post a contrary view to theirs and they will ban you from their facebook profile. They are the real fascists. The reason why people like Tommy exist is not because there is a inherent racism among the white British but because of the fact that some Muslims have engaged in not just terrorism but also child grooming across the UK. Had there been no Muslims engaging in terrorism in the UK and there were no child grooming going on then people like Tommy would not exist.
  3. Don't waste your time, she is just the sort of lefty snowflake who will claim she has been threatened if anyone emails her and challenges her on her idiotic views.
  4. For the UK media Muslims are the protected species, any wrong they do has to deflected onto the wider Asian community but if some Sikhs or Hindus do something wrong then their religion is highlighted in the headlines.
  5. Here's so more news of what happened prior to the Mynamar army actions against the Rohingyas. I was watching that odious Arnaab Goswami on RTV and he had a debate about this issue. One the Muslims who was defending the Rohingyas said that how can we be sure these are Hindu bodies, Hindus don't bury their dead!! Myanmar's killing fields: 45 Hindu bodies are found in mass graves as authorities accuse Rohingya Muslims of carrying out massacre Bodies of 45 Hindus including children found in mass graves in Myanmar Army say they were slaughtered by Rohingya Muslims and 48 are still missing Military has driven 480,000 Rohingya across the border to Bangladesh The UN has accused the army of ethnic clensing, which armed forces deny By Afp and Chris Pleasance for MailOnline PUBLISHED: 18:32, 27 September 2017 | UPDATED: 19:16, 27 September 2017 e-mail 331shares 2 View comments Myanmar troops have uncovered the bodies of 45 Hindu villagers as the army accused Rohingya Muslims of carrying out a massacre. Soldiers say they are still searching for another 48 missing Hindus who are feared dead after the discovery of mass graves in Rakhine state containing skeletal remains, including of women and children. Army chiefs say the villagers were killed by Rohingya militants who also attacked police outposts. They say this justifies a brutal crackdown which has seen 480,000 people from the minority sect flee across the border to Bangladesh in a month. +11 Myanmar's army has accused Rohingya Muslims of massacring Hindu villagers in Rakhine state after the bodies of 45 people, including women and children, were found in mass graves +11 Witnesses said masked men stormed their village armed with machetes before hacking people to death. The army has used attacks such as this to justify their crackdown on the Rohingya +11 Myanmar authorities have accused Rohingya of violence against Buddhists and Hindus in Rakhine state, as well as attacking police The UN has accused troops of systematically evicting the Rohingya, who have faced decades of persecution in the mainly Buddhist country. Rights groups accuse troops of using arson to force the Rohingya out and block their return, a charge the army denies, accusing the Muslim minority of burning down their own homes. RELATED ARTICLES Previous 1 Next British filmmaker is shot dead by ISIS jihadists in Syria...Did £1 million Guantanamo Bay payout fund ISIS ringleader?... SHARE THIS ARTICLE Share The army has restricted press access to the conflict zone, including by independent observers who have asked to verify the presence of mass graves, and the identities of those inside. The military has posted regular updates that blame Rohingya militants for the bloodshed, leading to allegations of a cover-up On Wednesday a Myanmar minister, Win Myat Aye, was quoted in state media as saying the government would manage all fire-damaged land in Rakhine, a development likely to raise concern about the Rohingya refugees' ability to return. +11 In the space of just a month 480,000 Rohingya have been driven across the border to Bangladesh as whole villages have been burned to the ground +11 Relatives of the dead have blamed the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army, a group of militants associated with the Muslim sect, of carrying out the killings +11 Picutred is a burned out village near Maungdaw township, which was once Muslim-majority but has now been almost entirely cleared of the religious group +11 Hindu leaders say the graves were only located because eight women were spared after agreeing to convert to Islam and being brought to Bangladesh The army and government have also sought to highlight the suffering of other ethnic groups swept up in the unrest, such as Rakhine Buddhists and Hindus. On Wednesday the army flew journalists to the place where the mass graves of 45 Hindu villagers. The decomposing skeletal bodies remained laid out in rows on a grassy field outside the village of Ye Baw Kyaw as distraught relatives wailed. Locals have helped identify 25 of the corpses, according to the government's Information Committee. Hindus who fled the area have told AFP that masked men stormed into their community that day and hacked victims to death with machetes before dumping them into freshly-dug pits. Speaking to media on the army-led press trip, Maung Ba, a 32-year-old Hindu, said several of his relatives were among those brutally murdered. 'I identified them based on their clothes and body shape,' he said solemnly. Ni Maul, a Hindu leader who has helped with the search, said authorities found the graves using testimony from eight Hindu women who were spared and brought to Bangladesh after they agreed to convert to Islam. 'They kept the beautiful eight women alive to marry,' he said. +11 A woman weeps as she helps to identify the bodies of relatives and neighbours among the dead. Local authorities say 25 people have been identified so far +11 Hindus in Rakhine state accuse the Rohingya of oppression, and say they have been targeted in refugee camps by preachers trying to force them to convert to Islam +11 Hindu women weep over the decomposing bodies of relatives who they believe were killed by members of a militant Rohingya organisation +11 While journalists have been allowed to visit the sites of mass graves, under escort by the army, independent observers have not, leading some to allege a cover-up Four Hindu women displaced in Bangladesh told AFP they were among the eight who escaped the massacre in the same area of Kha Maung Seik, with eight children in tow. 'We begged for our lives, asking they spare the women,' 22-year-old Bina Sheel told AFP at a small village for Hindu refugees in the Bangladeshi border district of Cox's Bazar. 'They asked if we would marry them. We said yes, to save our lives.' All four women said they were taken to Rohingya Muslim camps inside Bangladesh by the attackers. Sheel said her captor urged her to convert to Islam before she was brought to the Hindu village by a local leader. The accounts could not be independently confirmed. The crisis has intensified religious hatreds and fuelled ethnically-charged claims and counterclaims. The focal point of the unrest, Rakhine's Maungdaw district, was once home to several religious communities, with the Rohingya a majority. But vast swathes of the border region are now completely emptied of Muslim residents. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4926446/Rohingya-accused-mass-killings-Hindus-Myanmar.html#ixzz4twtWCKU0 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
  6. Beta you put a comment here stating-; So you have a POSITION which is that there is bile and hate put spoken(?) here that has nothing to do with Sikhi.
  7. Any Update on Sikhs in UK jail?

    This website might help. https://www.gov.uk/find-prisoner Find a prisoner Use the Prisoner Location Service to find people in prison when you don’t know which prison they are in. The prisoner must give their permission for their information to be shared, unless you belong to certain organisations such as the police or a solicitors’ firm. Prisoner Location Service prisoner.location.service@noms.gsi.gov.uk Fax: 0121 626 3474 Prisoner Location Service PO Box 2152 Birmingham B15 1SD You must include: your name, or the organisation you represent your date of birth your address including postcode name of the person you want to find the reason you want to find them eg. you’re their solicitor, or a family member any other names they may have used their date of birth
  8. When people are unable to defend their position then they resort to nonsensical comments like yours.
  9. I don't think that something like Khalsa Aid as it now could have existed in WW2. The Sikhs of that generation would have been perplexed at Khalsa Aid if they were going around the world helping German or Japanese refugees. Those Sikhs had stronger character and self belief than the pappus that run Khalsa Aid have today. Khalsa Aid and other such 'disaster relief at the drop of a hat' type organisations within the Sikh community are a product of the puppufication of Sikhs ever since 1947. We have accepted outright lies like Mian Meer laid the foundation stone of Harmandir Sahib and that Sikhi is just a religion like all the others and that we don't seek converts and that quality rather than quantity. Some even think that Khalsa just means pure so hence Raj Karega Khalsa just means the pure ones will rule and that the pure ones can be a person of any religion. This pappufication is there for all to see. There is a facebook account which is run by Khalistanis and they posted a video of a Hindu girl being slapped by a BJP women councillor because the post stated that she had been 'just having a coffee in a restaurant with a Muslim boy' . The truth was that the Hindu girl was openly having an affair with a Muslim boy which she admitted. Now look at how even Pappufication has taken over those who claim to be Khalistanis! They will lie in order to show Hindus oppressing the Hindu girl because she was innocently with a Muslim boy. The same account has more stories about the so-called oppression the Rohingyas than anything about Sikhs or Khalistan. This is how far the rot has spread. When I commented and stated what the truth was and if the other people commenting how bad the slapping was would be ok with their daughters or sisters opening having an affair with a Muslim boys. The comments I was on the lines of 'What is it to you, it's her life' and these comments were from Sikhs! I could expect such rubbish from Muslims or Goray but Sikhs stating this rubbish just showed how much pappufication has taken deep roots on todays Sikhs. The same Pappu Sikhs will think that it's great that Khalsa Aid is wasting the sangat's money in Burma while Sikhs in need are ignored a few miles from where these pappus live.
  10. How To increase Sikh population in UK

    Why not combine these two ideas with the idea of open days. Have a stall in the high street and approach non-Sikhs by inviting them to the local Gurdwara open day. The British are interested in knowing about non-Abrahamic religion as they have rejected the old angry guy in the sky type of religious belief. Islam is no different and the only Brits who convert to that religion are prisoners or women because their Muslim husband demands that they do.
  11. How To increase Sikh population in UK

    True but the mistake we make as Sikhs is that we always get thinly spread out and then when the storm comes we suffer. Around the world now we are spread out just as the Sikhs were pre-1947. The only Sikhs that survived were the one who lived in areas where Sikhs were a good percentage of the population or those how were able to flee to those areas. Some Sikhs have the mentality that they want to move away from areas that have a large Sikh population such as those those who moved from Southall to Iver, Ickenham, Reading etc. So they have spread themselves thinly and when the proverbial will hit the fan which it will in the next decade or so they will be sitting ducks. Sikhs in Europe should really be thinking of moving to UK if possible. Hate crimes against Sikhs aren't many compared to USA and they will always be a minute minority is Europe whereas in UK they can still live in Sikh dominated areas as by moving to the UK they can contribute to make these areas more stronger. I have noticed many Sikhs from Italy, Portugal and Belgium have been migrating to UK after getting citizenship of these countries. This needs to increase.
  12. It would be interesting if someone did a cost-benefit analysis of Muslim immigration into the UK. I am sure that the cost has far outweighed any benefit.
  13. Kashmir was not different to other states where the Maharaja was of a different faith than the majority of its inhabitants. The Maharajas were given the choice of either joining Pakistan or India. Hyderabad which was a Muslim state but with a Hindu majority should have gone to Pakistan but what complicated the issue was that it was surrounded on all sides by British India and Hindu states. If it had a outlet to the sea then it would have been able to join Pakistan without and problems but then Pakistan would have had to accept Kashmir joining India. Pakistan really has not right in demanding Kashmir as the Maharaja signed the instrument of accession. It uses some discrepancy over when it was signed as a way for asserting it's right to Kashmir. Nehru made a major error in putting forward the case for a referendum if Pakistan vacates so-called Azad Kashmir. Pakistan claims should have been rejected as illegitimate as they run counter to the partition agreement.
  14. But haven't you seen me and Chatanga and others challenge his pro-Pakistan narrative? You would have a point if we just allowed such views to go unchallenged. As for faith, unless he has written anything against the Gurus or Guru Granth Sahib then he can stay. If he wants to criticise Sikhs for any reason then if it is based on fact then he can but you can bet he will be challenged on this. Let him stay and let him learn. he wants to reform Islam which in my view cannot be reformed but let him learn that there are religions such as Sikhi which does not need any reform and in which no reasonable person can find anything in its moral code to object to.
  15. I've always found Jonny101's posts informative and enlightening. I don't know what thread you think he did nindya in but I highly doubt he would say anything against Mata Sundri. or Sant Jarnail Singh unless you inferred this. FYI Rattan Singh Bhangu and Giani Gian Singh were writers and not brahmgianis so their writings can be challenged and as such this does not make one a nindak.
  16. How relevant is that in a Sikh forum?
  17. Maharaja Ranjit Singh made some mistakes which ensured that his kingdom did not last long after him and to be honest we have never recovered from his mistakes. It is unfortunate that the Maharaja was not born a decade earlier because when the British took over Delhi and started to make inroads towards the Satluj river, the Maharaja was still not well established in his rule and thus he had to relinquish some of the areas he had conquered in Malwa in 1809 under threat of war with the British. Had the British come a decade later or the Maharaja been born a decade before he would have subdued the Malwa area years before and the British would have faced a united Sikh kingdom rather than being given the golden opportunity to expand into Punjab through the fears of the Malwa Rajas for Maharaja Ranjit Singh. Rather than the Satluj, the border between the British and Maharaja Ranjit Singh's kingdom would have been the Yamuna and Ghaggar. Maharaja Ranjit Singh's secular policy while helping his secure his kingdom ensured that when the British won the first Anglo-Sikh war, they dealt not with a Sikh ruling elite but a mixed elite of couriers of various religions. Also because of his secular policy and not using the state machinery to propagate Sikhism is ensured that the Sikhs were a small minority in the kingdom rather than a significant minority or even a majority. One thing we have to understand is the the Muslim Jat and Rajput tribes although they like to claim that they became Muslim due to the preaching of the Sufis, the fact is that most became Muslim due to forcible conversion policy of Aurangzeb. So they had only been Muslim for 4-5 generations. Had the Maharaja used the state machinery for propagation of Sikhism among these tribes then it is possible that some may have come over to Sikhism. During the British times the Suddhi movement had brought many Rajput and other tribes back to Hinduism because even then in the 1920s these tribes though Muslim on paper were still using Brahmins as priest and still following many of the rites of Hinduism. This was also the case with the Muslim Jat and Rajput tribes in Punjab in the 1800s. The kingdom should have financed various schemes to bring the numerous lower castes into Sikhism. The other mistakes he made was farming out whole districts to rich administrators who would then pay the treasury a certain amount each year and would be responsible for the collection of the revenue. Such forms of administration do not allow these districts to become integrated into the kingdom and hence when war occurs with outside powers these administrators will look at their own interests rather than the interests of the state. In the same way rather than amalgamate Jammu into the kingdom he installed a corrupt and disloyal soldier of fortune as the Raja of Jammu who then betrayed the Sikhs during the Anglo-Sikh wars and in the end bought Kashmir valley from the British and became a Maharaja. Maharaja Ranjit Singh should have set up a well staffed and professional administrative and civil service to manage and integrate the different areas of his kingdom. The Maharaja's other mistake was not to nominate a strong successor. He knew that Kharak Singh would not be an able Maharaja and should instead have nominated his grandson Naunihal Singh as his successor during his lifetime. Perhaps if the Maharaja had not made the mistakes the Sikh kingdom would have survived into modern times and our national condition would not be such as it is today.
  18. Nobody said that Sikhs don't commit crimes. But nice try at trying to use the figures for one prison to represent it as a norm. If you look at the national prison figure they tell a different story. On 30 June 2004 there were 6571 Muslims in prison out of a total prison population of 74.488 so Muslims were 8.9% of the prison population whereas Muslims were only 3% of the total population. On 30 June 2014 the respective numbers were 12,106 Muslims out of 85,509 total prisoners making Muslims 14.2% while being only 4.8% of the UK population. For Sikhs the numbers were 498 in prison in 2004 being 0.68% of prisoners while being 0.6% of the UK population. In 2014 the figures were 732 Sikhs making 0.85% of all prisoners while Sikhs were 0.8% of the UK population. So Sikh prisoners are roughly the same percentage as the Sikh population as a whole. HOWEVER Muslims are three times their number in prison as in the total population. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31794599
  19. Size and population does not mean anything. The Maharaja had signed the instrument of accession to India and land should have been freed up for the Sikh and Hindu refugees of West Punjab. If 5 Million Sikhs and Hindus could be driven out of the lands they held for generations then why not 2 Million extra Muslims being sent to Pakistan. The Kashmir dispute would definitely have been solved before it even began.
  20. Britain has in fact awarded majority population areas to minorities before. One of the counties in Northern Ireland had a catholic majority and yet it kept out of the Irish republic and given to Northern Ireland. Economic factors were actually used to award the Chittagong Hill Tracts to East Pakistan by Radcliffe even though the Muslims was only 3% in population there. This would have been akin to awarding Rawalpindi to India even though the Sikhs and Hindus were more than the 3% Muslims in CHTs. Such was the belief that the CHTs would go to India that the local tribes had raised Indian flags on govt buildings and these were only torn down by Pakistani troops from Chtiiagong port a few weeks afterwards. True to form the Bangladesh govt has settled Muslims there and they have been oppressing the Buddhists tribes there for decades and many of these tribes have migrated to India. https://www.amnesty.org.uk/groups/wirksworth-and-district/hidden-bangladesh-violence-and-brutality-chittagong-hill-tracts It's a guess whether Muslims would have fought back if Radcliffe had awarded all of the Lahore division and canal colonies to East Punjab. Given the fact that the Indian army was undergoing division itself the only fighters in this war would have been the common people. Jinnah and his deputies would have made a big show of being betrayed by the British but both Jinnah and Nehru was lawyers and such had great respect for the law and would have accepted Radcliffe's ruling. Nehru accepted the loss of the CHTs and Jinnah would in the end have accepted the loss of a slice of Punjab to East Punjab.
  21. Are you including in the total number the Muslims from the princely states? The Sikhs and Hindus from Bhawalpur state and the Muslims from the East Punjab states should not be included in the totals as partition was only of the British area of Punjab. Once the migrations had begun, the GOI should have made all Muslims move to Pakistan. In that case the Muslims would have been the losers out of partition as Muslims would have lost more land than Sikhs and Hindus and gained less land than they were entitled according to their population. The lands of the Muslims in UP who would have been forced to leave India could have been used to compensate the Sikhs and Hindus from West Punjab. These refugees could also have settled in Jammu and Kashmir as that state should have been treated the same as Kapurthala state in Punjab where the Muslim majority was forced to leave because the Maharaja was a non-Muslim. The refugees from West Punjab would have got the same amount of land as they lost in Pakistan and the commercial classes would have got Muslim commercial establishments. As it was Muslim still managed to keep their land and properties intact in many areas of East Punjab such as Malerkotla and Gurgaon.
  22. This is commendable work by all those involved. We need to get out of the mindset that we are Asians or Indians. We are Sikhs before we are anything else.
  23. They had just under £ 2.5 Million in the bank as of the end of financial year 2016. They haven't submitted their accounts for year ending 2017 but considering they had 1.6 Million in the bank at the end of FY 2015 and 2.5 Million at the end of FY 2016 then it makes sense that they would have more than £ 2.5 Million in the bank at the end of FY 2017. That Ravi Singh guy doesn't take too kindly to people pulling him up on why he doesn't do more for Sikhs. He always responds ..Khalsa Aid did this and that ...what have you done? Well I don't have £ 2.5 Million in the bank and I don't get £ 33,000 each year to work full time for the charity as he does. If anyone does want to donate for Sikh causes through Khalsa Aid then I would ask that they make sure that you have an assurance that your donation will go to that particular cause and not be used for their other appeals such as Rohingyas etc.
  24. The difference is that in Sikh and Hindu dominated areas the whites would never have felt physically threatened as they do in Muslim dominated areas today. There was none of the hostility towards whites in Sikh/Hindu areas as there are in Muslim areas now. Although Sikhs and Hindus would have felt a sense of belonging to their areas there was never a sense that these areas were now exclusively theirs. This is the case with Muslim areas now. There is a lot of talk about 'no go areas' for the police and I doubt any of these areas are Sikh or Hindu. Again these areas will be Muslim areas.
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