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We keep falling for the same trap each and every time. A Sikh who tries to lift the Panth and Punjab out of his deep and endless abyss we entered into many decades ago will always face more opposition from apnay than even our enemies.

All those who are questioning how Amritpal Singh has achieved so much support and a base is Punjab do not understand the power of social media. Social media has caused revolutions in many countries such as the Arab Spring, do these people not know how much social media influences our community in Punjab. The youth these are very engaged with social media and social media has been used to create branches of supporters in many villages and this they are able to mobilise the youth to attend rallies with Amritpal Singh. Simranjit Singh Mann's victory was very much due to the use of social media by our youth. Another reason why Amritpal Singh has captured centre stage is that the Panth and especially the youth have in the last few years become much more grounded in reality and started to cleanse itself of the liberal BS that the likes of Ravi Singh and United Sikhs have bought into Sikhi. He talks unapologetically about how he wants Khalsa Raj just as Hindus openly talk of Hindu Rashtra, the youth wanted a leader who talks in such a manner and not some pyjamay talking constantly about helping others and Sarbat Da Bhalla. 

The opposition to Amritpal Singh is because he has done more for the Panth in the last few months than all our paper tigers combined in the last three decades. Look at Kuki Gill, he has been badmouthing Amritpal Singh for the last few weeks because since his release in 2009 his achievements for the Panth have been a big fat zero. He keeps harping on about how he sacrificed his career and how he is so highly educated as if no other Kharkoo sacrificed their entire families for the Panth and all he has sacrificed is his career. 

On 6/27/2022 at 4:48 AM, Shaheed4life said:

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/aaps-raghav-chadha-on-likely-reason-for-partys-defeat-in-punjab-bypoll-3102273

Hankar still hasn't broken

He is being deceptive of course, using the voting percentage of the 2019 Lok Sabha poll against the combined nine assembly segments that make up Sangrur Lok Sabha seat vote share just three months ago. 

The vote shares from both elections in Sangrur Lok Sabha seat for all parties is 

March 2022                                 June 2022

Total votes 1370K                          710K

AAP 642K   46.9%                          247K  35%

SAD(B) 134K  9.79%                       44K 6.4%

INC 237K   17.29%                          79.5k 11.19%     

BJP 28K  2.05%                              66K  9.3%

SAD(A)  76K 5.5%                           252K 35.5% 

The BJP percentage increase is deceptive because they only stood in 3 assembly seats out of the 9 that make up the Sangrur Lok Sabha seat in March 2022. .

Simranjit Singh Mann's win was astounding because he did not have the same party machinery that any of the other parties and was mainly helped by the youth who took to canvassing for him on a big scale, Also social media helped because the Mann supporters were able to utilise SM much more effectively that they could in March 2022. 

I have always written that a Panthic party should be the real third alternative to the Congress and Badal Akalis, now with the defeat of Badal, it looks like the Panthic party will be the third alternative between Congress and AAP. 

35 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

You seem to have described sociopaths and psychopaths. We seem to have a lot of them on earth. Surely their can't be that many mistakes? 

Personally I think a lot of these people have neurological wiring that disposes them to think they do. And/or they have had overwhelming childhood experiences that have shortcircuited parts of the brain that deal with emotion and empathy. This ironically can give some of the higher functioning ones advantages in being able to manipulate, and they actually prosper.   

You are right that there are people who through their childhood experiences go on to become sociopaths and psychopaths. But not every one of these peoples' mental condition can be traced back to childhood or the way they were raised or even events in later life. There are lots of people who have had the perfect childhood and they have gone on to become psychopaths. These are probably the ones who entered the Maanas Janam before their time. 

55 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

Why does Khalsa Aid have so much more income? Have they been around much longer?

That and the fact that he has a very well  oiled PR machine. Although I think KA has probably reached a plateau and will not go any higher.  The amount of pushback it is getting even from people in Punjab who tend to be more emotional than the diaspora and for whom the sight of a Nishan Sahib is some out of the way place seems more important than looking after our own. The Sikh focussed charities are getting more and more popular now and I can see in the next few years that they might surpass KA. 

8 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

How much do these "Sikh focused" charities bring in in terms of donations compared to Khalsa Aid?

BSC income £ 442K in 2019 expenditure £427K in 2019 -- Income £710K expenditure £786K in 2020

Your Seva  income £180K and expenditure £127K in 2020 

Compared to Khalsa Aid income £5 million and expenditure £1.7 million in 2021

These Sikh focussed charities are gaining more traction especially now with social media where KA pretty much gets a drubbing every day whenever there is an issue of Sikhs needing help comes up. All Ravi Singh can do is block people. 

2 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

But in order to get the thread back on track:

Ravi Singh should understand that there is no bigger priority than for all of us as Sikhs to focus on the upliftment of the poorest people in Punjab today.

Instead of Ravi Singh buying and distributing Bibles and Qurans for those supported by NATO or 50-odd plus Muslim countries, it should be incumbent upon him to focus more of the donations they receive from their 98% Sikh patrons towards the education, healthcare and upliftment of the poorest sections of people in east Punjab.

If we can't help our own brothers and sisters from the most economically deprived backgrounds then we will only have ourselves to blame if we end up a minority in Punjab by the 2031 census as the plan from RAW is to self-disassociate all those Sikhs of today from Ravidasi and Mazhabi ancestry (that comprise more than one third of the Sikh Qaum in Punjab) into tomorrow Hindu votebanks worshipping at apartheid Dera Ballan and Balmiki Dera's in order to decisely leave the Sikh Panth as a minority in east Punjab and also cut our links emphatically with 100million sehajdhari Sikhs outside Punjab of the same ancestry backgrounds as Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj, Shaheed Bhai Sangat Singh Ji (leader of the Sikh Fauj in Guru Sahib's absence) and the bravest of the brave Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji ... and not to mention our Kabirpanthi and Sanatani brothers from Uttar Pradesh ... in total = 100 million sehajdhari Sikhs outside Punjab who were always associated with Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj until Nehru was gifted power by the racist British Empire. 

It is virtually impossible for Ravi Singh to change the whole strategy of his charity and concentrate on Sikhs, He has become a part of the woke worldview and has created a niche for our people to be mindless drones whose sole aim is to open up a free food stall at the drop of a hat. It is better to focus on other Sikh charities such as Your Seva and British Sikh Council which have been helping our people and are not involved in the constant self promotion that Ravi Singh and Khalsa Aid do. 

3 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

It's not an exaggeration or an inaccuracy to state that a thorough reading of what they claim is the Word of God, is ostensibly why their morals and their minds are in the gutter.

Imagine attributing rape, paedophilia, necrophilia, slavery, and other ethically dubious human acts to divine instruction that's been sanctioned and approved by the supreme heavenly being. 

How much of a sinner is any genuinely believing Muslim to seriously think their "perfect" man performed and sanctioned these acts, therefore they're perfectly permissable for his followers.

Apologists and islamophiles enjoy dragging Christianity into the mud by arguing that Christian scriptures contain similar directives, but these dhimmis choose to ignore something called the Reformation. On the other hand, Islam has been actively resisting any reformation for thousands of years! 

Like I've always said, certain individual Muslims may have performed great feats or achieved great things, but they didn't do so BECAUSE of Islam; they did it IN SPITE OF Islam. Conversely, it's hard to argue the impetus provided to certain individuals to resort to depravity and horror might have manifested itself differently had Islam not been present. Not suggesting other groups have behaved angelically, but that extra "bite" that comes with Islamic belief is almost demonic.

Demonic would the right word for it. In fact in one sakhi Guru Gobind Singh when forbidding the Khalsa from rape in war states that Islam is the religion of Bhoots and Rakshas and that the Guru's path is set on a higher moral plane. 

4 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

At least its not inside a Gurudwara! I think Indian muslims are better then Pakistanis types sunnis esps. 

Doesn't seem as bad as few years ago, it was back to back iftar in Gurudwara..Apne are getting some sense. 

Few yrs back we had celebrate Vaisakhi in the Mosque organised by some lib sjw Sikhs.cause controversy but got cancelled 

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Where is the human attribute that is inherent in most people to help someone who is in distress? I cannot imagine this kind of thing happening among out people. The way that a lot of them rather than helping the girls actually joined in with the abuse shows that this kind of behaviour is inherent in all of them. 

3 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

It does beg the question regarding India of all places: why would Indian law create a backdoor for a group such as Muslims to almost colonise a land (over the imperceptible course of decades) through legislation that was originally created, supposedly, as part of a secular constitution? Who or what decided that was a good idea, and more importantly why?

It was the attempt to prove that Jinnah's two nation theory was wrong even after he had managed to snatch away the Muslims' share of south Asia, the secularists still held on their dream that India was one nation. This was the reason that MK Gandhi and Nehru begged the Muslim Meos who had migrated to Pakistan to return to Mewat. They sent police to get back their Meos' land which was being taken over by locals. The fact that these Meos could see that they would never get any land in Pakistan in exchange made the majority of them return and the problem of Muslim majority Mewat was created. 

This was also to reason why Nehru never really took the two nation theory to it's logical conclusion that of the complete exchange of populations. He never understood that the creation of Pakistan had proved the two nation theory and what was needed was now acceptance of that fact. This was why the constitution was framed so that Muslims would feel at home in India and not want to migrate in the years after the creation of Pakistan. 

Honestly, this guy is all over the place. My own views of Deep Sidhu's comments are that he was saying that unless the farm leaders up the ante and bring more pressure of Modi then simply sitting in a location expecting the government to bend to your will is unrealistic. His point was that giving Shaheed status to those who had died while sitting in the andolan was legitimising the aimless strategy of the farmer union leaders. Modi had he wanted to could have stayed obstinate as is his reputation and then what? What was the number of deaths that would finally be unacceptable to the farmer union leaders and that they would then change strategy and bring more pressure on the government? He was also comparing the way that the farmer union leaders had refused to call Navneet Singh, the youth who was shot by the police while driving his tractor on 26th Jan as a Shaheed. He was saying how can you have people being called Shaheed who died of health issues sitting in the andolan while not declaring Shaheed someone who was shot while protesting the farm laws? If you watch the video, the emotional outburst by the guy sitting in the audience who attempts to call out Deep Sidhu on his speech, that guy was not understanding exactly what Deep Sidhu was saying. Swaiman Singh is also following the same flawed understanding and this shows just what his agenda is. 

In the video you will see how Deep Sidhu tries his best to respectfully explain to the guy who disagreed with him, it shows his humble character. Can you imagine what the comrade goons would have done if someone had protested Rajewal's statement during a Rajewal speech?

The fact that Modi acted out of character and took back the farm laws without any further pressure from the andolan does not negate Deep Sidhu's analysis. 

https://youtu.be/h_QHFnrR0XA

5 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

The religion that breeds extremism is defended and protected from being labelled as such by a certain brand of SIKH, but Sikhs advocating for self-interests are labelled as budding... terrorists and extremists by SIKHS. This is some paagal world going on here. Our paggs are too tight and Fixo has hardened our beards, making our faces stiff, constricting the oxygen to our brains, because I can't think of anything else to explain this nonsense.

This is a common thing now in the west as well, it is the drift towards liberalism, which in my view is a mental disorder which acts to prevent the sufferer from even acting in his own self interests. Think what you like of Tommy Robinson but essentially he is someone who saw the takeover of Islam of his hometown and the victimisation of his people by Muslims and he tried to awaken his people. Look at how he was demonised by the leftists among the goray. Add to this how the white police officers and social workers were quite happy to see females from their own community be groomed by Pakistani Muslims. Only fanatical adherence to liberal principles can explain such suicidal behaviour. When you ideology trumps your common sense then you really are up sh1t creek without a paddle. 

The situation is not so gloomy though because there has been pushback now both in the west and among our people. Ravi Singh is being ridiculed by our people now for his one track liberal BS when even a few years he was considered almost a saint. The next generation they say is much more conservative than the generation before. We are seeing this more and more in real life and online. 

4 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

A good man inherently (like most people are) but has been corrupted by his environment and those around him 

interesting that he is Winchester and Oxford-educated and in politics and didn’t marry a white lady as would have been more typical.

I think the news about the tax avoidance etc is to smear him for any attempt he has to become Tory Party leader, as he is seen as one of the ‘favorites’. Tax avoidance is nothing new or uncommon with rich people and politicians. 

he is following the ‘party line’ wrt to voting on certain issues

no idea if he would gone into politics if he was not married into the family he is married into

I would never support any Hindu in UK politics, there will always be somewhere along the line a connection with the BJP/RSS. For someone who has £200 million to want to go into politics can only be through a desire to  have political power because one could buy whatever one wants but true political power can only come from going into politics. I heard a joke about how saying that he has so much money that someone that rich would only go into politics to screw over those poorer than himself! 

I don't think will ever get a chance to be PM, and that's a good thing. He had his chance just before xmas with the Partygate scandal but Ukraine and now his and his wife's tax arrangement have destroyed that chance. It will take him years to get back his reputation but by then someone else new will come through the Tory ranks. 

6 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

Most Islamic countries do not have the resources to support such huge numbers. Let them increase in their own countries who cares but the issue comes up with their numbers in non muslim societies. They have wiped out non muslims in their countries so why should non muslim countries take them in? That is why they win because we are just fools.

It is not non-Muslim countries that actively invite Muslims in, it is the liberals in these countries that emotionally backmail the rest of the population into allowing Muslim migration in and shout 'racist!' if there is any voice which wants to restrict their migration into non-Muslims countries. In Punjab it is the same, it is liberal organisations that started the trend to build Mosques for them and started the propaganda that they are 'beecharay' 

Countries that have voted in right wing governments understand the danger of Muslim migrations, countries such as Hungary, Poland and Serbia. Countries with Muslim populations already have tried various methods such as expulsion like Myanmar and De-Islamification like China has. 

It would be interesting to see how the first group of countries fare in the next few decades compared to the second group. 

2 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

 

Ummm, how does this prove anything that I have written to be wrong?

I am not sure why you think that is impossible that many Sikh individuals/organizations are more likely to donate to a charity that presents itself as one with a global outlook interested in assisted all kinds of different people than they are to a charity that is entirely focused on Sikh related issues.

In fact, I would guess that Sikhs who are well off and have money to spare are especially more likely to donate to a Sikh organization with a "global" outlook than to a Sikh organization focused on Sikh issues.

 

Anyway, if the Sikhs who donate to Khalsa Aid want their money to be spent only on Sikh-related issues, they clearly shouldn't be donating to Khalsa Aid. It has been obvious for years that Khalsa Aid spends money all over the globe to assist all kinds of different people. The fact that they donate to Khalsa Aid indicates that they are more-or-less happy with how the money is spread around.

If you guys have an issue with how Khalsa Aid spends their money, you should convince people who donate to them to donate elsewhere.

Let me refresh your memory, You wrote  Khalsa Aid by being a charity that helps all and not just Sikhs is likely to get more donations because non-Sikhs will also donate to it and thus it will have more money at hand with which to possibly help Sikhs than if it was solely a Sikh charity which would restrict its donations to just Sikhs. I showed that they get the vast majority of donations from Sikhs ONLY anyway (98% in 2017) so your contention is false and I have shown clearly it is false.

What Ravi Singh has successfully done is subvert both the concept of Langar and the concept of Daswand. Our community in the early 2000s instead of challenging him allowed the subversion and now the next generation do not even realise what Langar and Daswand is.