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The male non-Sikh partner is usually there so that his side of the family can enjoy an 'ethnic' day.

I've lost count of the number of freshies married to Polish women. Although the first thing that comes to mind is that this is just a marriage of convenience by the freshies so they can settle in this country but many can be just attraction between two people in a foreign country who have similar experiences of migrating into another country, Just as we may lose some id.iots to conversion to other religions we gain converts from other religions so just as we lose one gaddhi who marries a non-Sikh, we get a non-Sikh female marrying a Sikh.

The easiest way to increase the Sikh percentage in Punjab is through having a higher birth rate than the non-Sikhs in Punjab. Prior to the decade 1991-2001 the Sikhs always increased by more than the combined population of non-Sikhs. If the Sikhs in Punjab make a concerted effort this could be the effect in the next 10 years say in 2011 the Sikh Population is 16, 620,000 (60%) of the total population of Punjab of 27,704,000 Non-Sikh population is 11,084,000 would increased by a normal rate of about 20% between 2011 and 2021. This would make them 13,380,000 If the Sikhs make a concerted effort by social and religious organisations carrying out mass parchar that Sikh couples should have more kids. This could be the effect. Sikh population in the age group 18 to 30 is about 26% of the population. That makes couples 13% of the Sikh population. If each couple is encouraged to have kids, at least 5 within the next decade 2011 to 2021 this would be the increase in the number of Sikhs. 13% (couples) of Sikhs . 16.62 Million x 13% = 2.160 Million couples. Each couple has 5 kids in the decade 2011 to 2021 = 10.8 Million Sikh births.between 2011 and 2021. Population of Punjab in 2021 Sikhs 27.42 Million Sikhs and 13.38 million non-Sikhs. Total population = 40.8 Million. Sikhs 27.42/40.8 = 67.2% The next decade because the percentage of Sikhs in the age group 18-30 will be a much smaller percentage, due to the large number of Sikhs in the 1-10 age group due to the extra births. If the number is the same say 2.16 million so the Sikhs will have the same increase in absolute numbers of their population between 2021 and 2031. Population of Punjab 2021 Sikh population is 27.42 + 10.8 = 38.22 Million. Non-Sikh population would increase by about 15 % between 2021 and 2031 and be 15.38 Million. So the Sikh population would be 38.33/53.6 = 71% However the next decade 2031-2041 would show the Sikh increase many fold because even of the ge group 18-30 have just 2 births because the number of Sikhs in this age group would be huge because they were the new births in the 2011-2021 decade the Sikh increase would far outstrip the non-Sikh increase.

The id.iots of Sikhs against the EDL are using the iftar dinner by Jagmeet Singh as proof that Sikhs and Muslims always have good community relations! Politicians have to keep all sections of their constituents happy, Muslims more than others.

I thought his name was Abu Legal, he's married a musli and her name is umm illegal

Nice page Dalbir Singh, but I think you should consider changing the word Dawah for Parchar. Why use an islamic word which essentially means lying to get someone into Islam when Sikhi has such a beautiful word like Parchar.

Only good things come out of this type of street parchar. Even if the person just learns a few things about Sikhi, that it is a independent religion and not the same as Islam then he has achieved more in s few minutes than a Gurdwara costing millions has achieved in a decade. It is not just the person who the parcharak is speaking to that will learn something new, chances are there will be occasions when she will use her knowledge to teach her friends or family perhaps when they pass a Gurdwara or interact with a Sikh person. So it's a win-win situation. It is probably needed more in the USA and Canada but we in the UK should not become complacent. I remember in the 80s in school we were taught by a female teacher who knew about Sikhs because she used to be in the army in India during World War 2. I lose count of how many elderly white people I have met in the UK who know about Sikhs due to their having served in the army. Unfortunately these people are dying out now and we need to inform the new generation of people of the UK of what Sikhi is.

God bless Bhai Mohan Singh for the work he is doing in this case and in others. He and SAS need our support and encouragement. Can you imagine how disheartening it would be people like him who have worked tirelessly with the victim to have to see so-called Sikhs describe the victim as a ho. Bhai Mohan Singh is the type of role model our youth need, not the 'last Sikh warrior' id.iot or people like Legal Singh who will leap to defend rapists and paedophiles just because they are Muslim.

Someone should combine the footage of Niddar prancing around in the first video with a voice over from the discussion in the second video.

Let's be honest here. Do people really need videos of Nihangs criticising Niddar in order to realise that his so-called martial art as well as his karate kid story is a load of BS? If you believe his story then as the expression goes, I have a bridge for sale for you! These videos even if they are made will not make a difference to his die hard supporters. They will claim the voice has been doctored, the video has been edited, there is no proof when it was made etc etc. Honestly, if Niddar told his followers tomorrow." Listen guys, I made all this BS up, there is no secret martial art, my mother was too scared to let me out of house in the 80s let alone train with a Nihang Baba. I just copied the karate kid story and when you bozos believed every ridiculous shyt I made up, I had to make more and more BS up." I bet his followers would not believe him. This is what happens in cults like Niddar's cult. In the end the cult leader can make up and say as much BS and his sheep like followers will lap it all up.

What a joke. The only way they can claim that poverty is going down in India is to peg the daily expenditure so low that if someone spends 30 pence or 65 cents a day then you are above the poverty line!

The 'last Sikh warrior' calls the CTU because he felt threatened! Looks like he became the last Sikh worrier on that occasion. Can you imagine what the great Sikh warriors like Jassa Singh Ahluwalia, Banda Singh Bahadur, Mehtab Singh, Sukha Singh, Baba Deep Singh and others would think of Niddar?

I already pointed his mistake out to him in my post before you did but he continued to refer to Guru Hargobind Sahib as Guru Hargobind Singh! He obviously has the time to ask read the Quran, ask Muslims it's meaning but can't be bothered to refer to the Guru by his correct name! He obviously did not have the time to read the above, probably too busy digesting the BS given to him by his Muslim mates. On the point of the Guru KI Maseet, now if the Sikhs of 18th century were aware of what the Guru had done for the Muslims, then why was the Mosque in Shahbad converted into a Gurdwara in the 1780s? It could be to so with him wanting publicity for his group. By doing what he did he made headlines in newspapers across India. What is the maryada for removing the Guru Granth Sahib from where it has had parkash and sukhasan for the last 60 years and then turn that building over to the Muslims? Is there any precedent for that? No wonder the Muslims of Lahore have been enboldened to do mischief around the Shahidganj Gurdwara. His removal of the Guru Granth Sahib is certainly not something that the Sikhs of old would have done but then these are new age Nihangs, so PC they would make people like the UAF and western liberals cringe at the way they submit to the Muslim demands! That's just pure speculation on your part. The only 'extremist' Muslim preacher at that time who was against the Sikh state was Syed Ahmed who operated in the tribal areas and Peshawar region of the Sikh state. But the azan was banned across the Sikh state. So either there were 'extremist' preachers in every mosque in Punjab or you're just speculating in order to defend your false statement, The fact that gujju haram.zadas were involved just shows how bad the situation has got. While people like you are poring over the Quran, the groomers are so confident that they can get way with their evil acts that they involve people of other communities in their acts not fearing that they would have no loyalty to them and would have no qualms in giving them up to the police. Said the Turkey on seeing the farmer and his wife enter the pen on Xmas morning brandishing a knife!

I know a lot of Sikhs tend to be modern nowadays but I have yet to come across a 'sikh' father who would tell his son to have fun with a girl knowing that it wasn't leading to marriage. I think you had the bad luck to come across a family like that. No matter what the issues have been between Muslims and Sikhs in the UK and knowing how the Muslims target Sikh girls here, no true Sikh would ever condone what this guy has done to you. In Sikhism we are taught that we should see all women whatever their religion, who are not our wives as sisters and mothers. I think you should forget the guy, Move on with your life. Any thought of revenge although you might think will make you feel better but in the end will still tie you to him and being tied to him means that he still has power over you.

Are you sure your humble Muslim friends aren't calling you a filthy kuffar behind your back? Muslims are taught to make friends and treat them nicely in order that they may become Muslims. Search any 'ask the Imam' website and you will realise that friendship with non-Muslims always has an ulterior motive. A lot is made of the Guru Ki Maseet but no evidence is every presented that it was actually built by Guru Hargobind ( not Guru Hargobind Singh!). Even if it were does that mean that Sikhs have a duty to build Mosques considering they will be used as a base to attack them in the future? When the EDL shout who the f**k is Allah, this is because each and every terrorist attack is always a accompanied by the war cry of Allah Hu Akbar. So it isn't so hard to understand why EDL members shout what they do. Maybe if your humble Muslim friends are so concerned about the abuse of their god maybe they should be doing more to keep the more extreme members of their religion in check, Muslims have had it easy in this country, Because the British didn't react after 9/11 and rather than making the Muslim community accountable for the actions of it's fanatics, the government was quick to bankroll Muslim propaganda by financing so-called Islam roadshows, Islam exhibitions etc. No wonder Muslims will always tell you off the record how 9/11 was a godsend for them because of the amount of exposure their religion has got in the media. The media has fallen over itself trying to show how Islam is such as peaceful religion. The only religion to have got something similar in the USA was Sikhism just after the Oak Creek Massacre. But the main difference was that Sikhs had been murdered by a Neo-Nazi and had not murdered thousands of non-Sikhs by crashing planes into the twin towers. Historically our ancestors have always known that Islam, the real Islam and not the airey fairey Islam of the Sufis is a dangerous religion. Read any of the rehatnamas and don't be mislead that the term Turk is just a word for the Mughals and not for normal Muslims. Our ancestors banned the Azan where ever they ruled. Why would they do this, could it be because they Azan claims that the Muslim god is the only God worthy of worship? Is that not a challenge and an insult to non-Muslims? Weren't these Sikhs going against the example of Guru Hargobind? So either that or the so-called Guru Ki Maseet isn't really a Mosque built by the Guru.

We already pay a form of unofficial Jizya because the people who want to bomb the country tend to be on the dole and it is our taxes that pay for it. Our taxes also pay for the extra security after an attack. A new form of Jizya now will be that after the attack on Mosques, they will now demand that the government pay for CCTV cameras to be installed in each Mosque!

It doesn't need to be an either or scenario. Working on strengthening the base by putting money into quality education, eradicating caste, conversion of non-Sikhs to Sikhi is a step towards Khalistan. The education of Sikhs will allow them to withstand the brainwashing and propaganda of the Indian media, Eradicating caste will create a sense of community and belonging for all Sikhs. Conversion of non-Sikhs to Sikhi will expand the land area that can potentially be a part of Khalistan. We need to follow the Jewish example. They created the idea of a Jewish state by buying up land from Arabs and setting up collective farms and communities made up of Jewish migrants from oppressed Jewish communities in Russia and Eastern Europe. The money for buying up the land came from rich Jews in Western Europe and the USA whilst the labour for these farms came from Eastern Europe. Had there not been the migration of Jews between 1880-1948 into Palestine then the Jewish state would still have been a dream now rather than a reality. We are actually in a much better position than the Jews were then. We have a majority in Punjab. The Arabs tried to stop the migration of Jews into Palestine even using violence but we would face no such thing. If the Punjabi farmer needs labour then we should have Sikh organisations encouraging those impoverished Sikhs like Sikligars, Vanjaras and new Sikh converts such as those from Madhya Pradesh to migrate to Punjab in order to stop the need for Bhaiya labour. With regard to education I think we should try our best to support the Akal Academies in Punjab. They are expanding at a good rate and not only is their education of a high quality but whenever one opens in a rural area then the amount of Keshdhari kids goes up. The ideal situation would for the failing education department of the Punjab government to be wound up and all the schools in Punjab to come under the management of the Kalghidhar trust that manages the Akal academies. This is one way to ensure that 90% of the next Sikh generation is Keshdhari and not Mona like it is now.

The EDL also has Hindu and Jewish divisions and possibly after the Bodh Gaya bombing they might be working on setting up a Buddhist division! The reason there is a Sikh division and why Sikhs are getting involved in the EDL is that there is no youth organisation that I know of within our community which can organise the youth who see the mayhem that Muslims are getting up to in our communities. If there was a Sher-e-Punjab like there was in the 80s and 90s then our youth would gravitate towards them and not the EDL. Sikhs against the EDL are the worst type of moorakhs. They are an embarrassment to Sikhi.

I'm up for that, As long as the money is ring fenced and not spent on projects in other countries. It would be good if everyone could contribute but I know a lot of members are students but even if 10% of the forum members contribute the that would still make a hefty amount able to make a real difference to the lives of the youth in Punjab. So over to Bhai Mehtab Singh and S1ngh and the other moderators. Maybe they could send a mass email to each forum member with a link to this thread or another specific thread asking for donations and work out a system to allow for members to donate either direct to Khalsa Aid for through an account held by the mods at this forum. I think too many times we read something about the threat to Sikhi, get outraged and make our comments but then that is the end. What we say here does not impact on the issue to any extent, however if we are able increase the donations to a charity working with the issue then together we can impact on that issue.

Veerji You got some good ideas there. The SGPC is too corrupt to ever set up a charity as you suggested. The SGPC is just a glorified gurdwara committee which talks much but does very little. Only a takeover of the SGPC by Panthic minded individuals can lead to the SGPC being put back on track. Until then my suggestion is to avoid giving any money to this bloated corrupt organisation. If you are going to India then whenever you go darshan of a historic Gurdwara in Punjab then rather than matha tek rs 100 or rs 500 then just give rs 10 and the rest of the money you were going to matha tek, give it to an organisation that you know is doing positive work in Punjab.In this way rather than relying on the SGPC to use your money in the right manner, you have control over how your money is being spent.

It's not about the numbers. Muslims don't give two figs for the lakhs of Muslims who get killed in an earthquake or the Tsunami. It is the potential to create a fifth column of Muslims in the heartland of the Sikhs. To have a large number of Muslims able to cause havoc if there is another Indo-Pakistan war. The Punjab waqf board has an income of 202 million rupees. Giving 99,000 rupees to each of 480 would only be 23% of it's total income.

I remember how the media was used a few years ago to put out 'positive' stories of how Sikhs are rebuilding old Mosques and helping Muslims build new ones, At that time I thought there must be some conspiracy here. Now it seems my view was right. The Badals have allowed the murderer Alam to turn the Punjab Waqf Board into a cash rich subversive organisation which is giving cash to poor Sikhs to convert and also creating colonies of Bhaiya Muslims in the Sikh heartland. Interesting how the so-called Guru Ki Maseet was also brought into prominence at that time.

That's pretty harsh. Aman Singh sounds like a an intelligent guy so if this girl was after him for his money then he would soon have figured that out. Aman Singh I think you are right in considering all the issues that arise from having a non-Punjabi partner. The issue with parents is a major issue, mainly because your mother would want a Punjabi daughter in law because she is looking into the future and thinks that a Punjabi one would be more respectful, probably want to live in the extended family, look after her etc. Although we all know that even a Punjabi wife is less likely to do the above but your mother probably has the above perception. Also our own stereotyping of white people also doesn't help so she will probably think that the white girl will turn you into a clubbing-shubbing, sharabi-kababi! I think both your parents as well as the white girl needs you to put everything on the table. She needs to know that your family are an important part of your life, that she might have to live in the extended family and take an active part in the larger family. Your parents will need you to be straight with them. As you said marriage is still far off as you need to complete uni so you could mention in passing how you see some non-Punjabis are more Sikh than the Sikhs that you have met. Tell them that you are friends with males and females of all races. This will get your family used to that fact that you are interacting with all kinds of people and they will see that you are still strong in your Sikhi.

Let's be honest here and not beat about the bush. The person you wrote of clearly has mental heath issues, who but a madman would want to leave Sikhi for the so-called 'religion of peace'. I suggest just as he seems to be against the way his parents raised him then his immediate relatives such as his parents or uncles need to make sure that he doesn't commit child abuse by raising his kids as Muslims. He is an adult and has a choice but his kids maybe being forced to become Muslims. I think we need a lot more honestly in relation to these sorts of incidents. Only a few decades ago one would not have found one Sikh becoming a Muslim but now we appear to have some fool brainwashed by Muslims every few months. The thing we need to consider is not that we have lost a Sikh, we should consider that a fool has left Sikhi and increased by one the number of brainwashed Muslims there are in the world. Our aim should be to bring others into Sikhi and we should not be expending our energies on idiots like that guy who will take his mental heath issues into their religion and out of ours. He's just another <banned word filter activated> who's likely to end up blowing some fellow Muslims up in an attempt to get to the Islamic whorehouse in the sky. Just as he leaves no doubt a non-Sikh whether in US, Canada, UK or even in Bihar or Madhya Pradesh will become a Sikh. That Sikh will be a thousand times more worthy of the support of his fellow Sikhs than the fool who left Sikhi. He will bring with him the spirit that the Sikhs of old had and not the fool who wants to become a Muslim just because he's seen a sharabi or smoker in the langar hall. I remember some years ago there was a <banned word filter activated> born in a Sikh household who also was brainwashed into Islam. He ended up in jail as he stabbed some Muslims in a Mosque after an argument. The only unfortunate thing was that he stabbed some normal Muslims rather than the ones who brainwashed him.

There's a movement within the Gay community to claim every great person from history as being gay. If the historic person was unmarried then they claim he must have been gay and if he had a wife and kids then he must have been bisexual. It's a win-win situation for gays as no one can ever prove for certain that someone was or was not gay in history. This so-called rumour was started by some Gay Asian guy in the early 90s. Homosexuality is a form of kaam. It is wanting something that is forbidden. You can call it love but then someone who is a pedophile could say that he also was born that way so if according to the gay sikh fool when defending his perversion, God is perfect then why can it be wrong?