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  1. Punjabiyat - An issue for Sikhs

    We do pretty much own Punjabi identity these days. We are the only group that care about the language and are interested in its survival, most Punjabi singers are Sikh. This is so much so that even a lot of Sikhs don't know that there are Punjabi Hindus and Muslims, a lot of Indians outside of Punjab assume that Punjab is a 100% Sikh state, that is how much Punjabiyat is attached to Sikhism.
  2. The Truth about Jind Kaur

    At the end of the day Maharaja Ranjit Singh and Jind Kaur were King and Queen. They were not saints who we should look for spiritual guidance. We all know that Ranjit Singh liked a drink or five. Ranjit Singh had multiple wives and lived a complete life of pleasure just like all Kings do. Sure he did good things for the panth but we shouldn't idolise him too much especially not as a model Sikh. He's the only true strong King (in the literal sense) that we ever had and that is why we glorify him and have his portrait in Gurdwaras.
  3. State of the UK - Is it safe?

    Heavy Metal singers never sang about shooting and stabbing people in the same manner that rap does. Those heavy metal bands that promote racism, satanism were never played on mainstream radio or TV like rap music is. But the biggest issue is boys growing up in fatherless homes.
  4. Punjabiyat - An issue for Sikhs

    We might be boastful simply due to the fact that we have always punched above our weight. The Sikh Empire was a great achievement and in all of the land that was ruled Sikhs must have been a total of 10% or less of the population but that was a long time ago and the empire itself didn't even last 100 years. One of the biggest false narratives we spread is that Sikhs saved Hinduism from extinction. It makes me feel embarrassed as a Sikh when we say dumb things like that, it makes us look like a bunch of illiterate fools. I don't think the boastfulness is a result of Punjabi mentality. It is due to Sikhism, even though Sikhism says not to have an ego. Hindus have India where they are the majority and Muslims have Pakistan and Bangladesh, we just have one state in India where we are a slight majority. We are always boasting because we want approval from the majority community. That is the main reason.
  5. State of the UK - Is it safe?

    Boys need fathers in their lives to control them, especially if they are living in a low income neighbourhood where crime is prevalent. Being politically correct will never fix problems, in fact it will add more fire to the flames. I think rap music in general has a negative effect, it promotes violence, materialism, shallowness, misogyny and other crime. In Punjab rap music is big and has been for the last 7 years, is there any coincidence that this is when alcohol, drug abuse and violence is at it's highest? Youngsters will mimic what they see on TV or hear on the radio. Black youth will mimic what the black rappers are rapping about and Punjabi youth will mimic the likes of Honey Singh, Sidhu Moosewala etc
  6. Punjabiyat - An issue for Sikhs

    Yes I agree with that there is too much boastfulness but most of it is coming from a Sikh perspective. It is we Sikhs who boast about ending the Mughal Empire when the reality was that the Marathas had more of an impact and controlled far more of India than we did. We were the last to fold to the British though. We make up nonsense stories about the Americans wanting to build a statue of Hari Singh Nalwa in the white house or NASA keeping a copy of the Guru Granth Sahib and consulting it to discover new things in the universe. It is we Sikhs (rather than Punjabi Hindus) who refer to all non Punjabis as Bhaiyas. We refer to all Hindus as Bahmans. We are racist and most of that comes from Sikh elitism rather than Punjabi. So many Sikhs are so dumb that they think the word Punjabi means Sikh. If you say to most Sikhs that so and so is a Punjabi they will think that the only religion that person can be is a Sikh. This is despite Punjab only being 60% Sikh. How dumb can people be that they don't realise that 40% of the people in their state don't follow the same religion as them? It should be blatantly obvious, but not to a large portion of Sikhs. We boast about our contribution to Indian Independence, World War 2, The wars with Pakistan, and in these wars we were just used as pawns on the frontlines fighting other people's battles and sacrificing a disproportionate amount of lives. It's time for Sikhs to truly get educated and become mangers and CEOs of companies, not just remain as farmers or soldiers fighting other people's wars.
  7. Punjabiyat - An issue for Sikhs

    That elitist attitude exists in all states in India not just Punjab. The upper castes in all states look down on the lower castes. Anyway Ambedkar was right, the vast majority of Sikhs believe in some form of caste system. Maybe it will go away in a couple of generations. Even Muslims in Pakistan and India practice some form of caste system. It is too ingrained. At the end of the day if someone is born into a higher caste and has power of lower castes, why would he want to give that up? Personally I would like people in Punjab to become more literate and educated. Punjab is not know for academics and that is what needs to change.
  8. Punjabiyat - An issue for Sikhs

    It's a completely different scenario for Sikhs as compared to Punjabi Muslims and Punjabi Hindus. Pretty much all Sikhs are Punjabi, 95% if not more. Whereas Muslims are from all over the world and Hindus are the majority in pretty much all states of India. So Punjabiness will dominate our way of thinking and behaviour. All of our leaders will be from Punjab, our literature will be in Punjabi because there is no need to communicate in any other language to other people. Gurmukhi is a Sikh script, it was invented by our Gurus so we will never let it go and Punjabi Hindus will never feel completely comfortable adopting it for this reason, hence why you see many Devanagari signs in Hindu dominated Jalandhar. I've even heard that Dr Ambedkar and his followers (non Punjabis) were considering to convert to Sikhism but the SGPC didn't want that as it would have reduced their power and actively discouraged it. The most holy shrines for Muslims are in Saudi Arabia and for Hindus they are in Benaras in Uttar Pradesh, for us they are mostly in Punjab. So again Punjab is more special to us than it is to Hindus and Muslims. Sadly Sikhi did not spread to the same extent as these two religions. For a religion to spread it needs support from rulers and the only time we had a Sikh king in Punjab he was busy building more Mosques and Mandirs than he was building Gurdwaras. When we took over Delhi we handed it back a few days later to the Muslim Mughal King, just handed it back! Compare this to King Asoka who sent Buddhist missionaries all over India and to the far east. We are so obsessed about Punjabiness because it is the only place in the world where we are a majority. It is like the country we never had.
  9. India

    As TejS said I think the Kara is not just associated with Sikhs just like the name Singh is not associated only with Sikhs. I work in IT in the UK and see Hindus who come from all parts of India wearing Karas and I'm sure it has nothing to do with Sikhism. Maybe Hindu Punjabis might wear it for those reasons but not other Hindus who hardly have any interaction with Sikhs or Sikhism in their life. As for the area in front of Harmandir Sahib being cleaned up, I think this is a good thing. This is our holiest place and needs to be kept in good condition. Look at the outside of St Peter's Basilica, Mecca, St Paul's Cathedral, it is all very clean and modern. India is a dirty country and Amritsar is no exception, so much of it is absolutely filthy. Hopefully what they have done outside Harmandir Sahib can be pushed out further. As for obesity, I went to Punjab in 2007 and again earlier this year, nothing's changed, Punjabis/Sikhs are still as fat as ever and don't know when to say no. In fact some people take pride in being fat, thinking they are thakra when in fact they are fat slobs! Punjab is the most obese state in India. Blame it on our diet which consists of ghee, paronthe, kulchas and couple this with laziness and relying on cheap labour from Bihar. I also read that Punjab has the highest amount of alcohol shops per square metre in the world. It looks like Punjabis love consuming unhealthy things.
  10. Well Done Sikhs Were In The Headlines

    I think this article is 20 -30 years too late. Yes back in the 1960s, 70s, 80s and even 90s a lot of Sikh men who came to the UK from India drank excessively. This was due to them working in physically demanding jobs in factories, foundries and that too working excessive hours. They used drinking as a coping mechanism - to deal with the physical pain and lack of social life. With the excess drinking came the other problems like wife and child beating. However the current generation (those born in the UK) do not go these same extremes, sure they might get hammered at a wedding or go on a heavy drinking session on the weekend (like every other ethnicity in the UK) but they are not doing it every day like the first immigrants to the UK did and they're not coming home to beat their wife and kids. It's like with forced marriages, sure it may still go on in the Sikh community at a very slight amount but nowhere near the level it was back in the 70s, 80s and 90s, yet you will still get articles stating that it is a big problem in the Sikh community. It doesn't help that the president of the Black Sisters organisation in Southall keeps on going on about her own forced marriage ordeal that was back in the 1980s.
  11. Joining Canadian Reserves

    I don't know if the Canadian forces are like the American or British forces, i.e. go all over the world and poke their nose in where it doesn't belong like Iraq, Syria, Libya. If they are like that then I would not recommend joining.You will be fighting in a useless never ending war that is being backed by oil and weapon organisations. I personally believe that war should only be for self defence purposes but the likes of America and the UK are using their armies to conquer other lands, just like the colonial days and are leaving those countries that they invade in far worse shape than they were before. If Canada don't get involved in these sorts of things then by all means join but if they do go abroad to places like Iraq, Syria - then avoid joining, you're just being used as a pawn in a bigger game.
  12. Are Sikhs responsible before the Sangat?

    I am going by what the average Sikh is like. If you are talking about Amritdhari Sikhs who follow everything to a tee then I understand. However do you honestly think the average Sikh will voluntarily go in front of a Sikh Sangat and apologise for what they have done? I'm just trying to be realistic. Apologies for offending anyone.
  13. Are Sikhs responsible before the Sangat?

    What is the Sikh sangat? Times have moved on. This isn't the 18th century anymore.
  14. Hindu decrease in India

    Interesting. The same thing is happening with the alcoholics and drug reputation of Punjab. I went earlier this year and expected to see junkies and alcoholics everywhere but did not encounter a single one. They tried to say that 70% of Punjabi youth are drug addicts when in fact the truth was that 70% of all drug addicts are youth which is probably true in almost all countries in the world.
  15. Sikh and Hindus Build mosque

    The politicians don't care, they just want votes and the Sikh farmers and Hindu shop owners want cheap labour no matter the background of the worker, they just want to make as much money as possible, they don't care about the long term future. Secularism has been driven into the minds of Indians since those are the teachings of Gandhi and Bandit Nehru who were muslim apologetics. At the end of the day the muslims asked for West and East Pakistan (Bangladesh) and they got it mostly through violent action (direct action day). Even though we kicked them out of east punjab, the Hindus allowed them to stay behind in the rest of India in large numbers and even let them rise to the top in Bollywood. In fact in the early days of Bollywood movies actors like Dilip Kumar (Muhammad Yusuf Khan) had to change their names to fit in, then the next step was to allow muslim actors to keep their names but to play Hindu characters and nowadays you will find plenty of Bollywood films which have a muslim characters as the main character in the movie. It is a slow infiltration and acceptance of muslims by the wider Indian public. Consider this - muslims in kashmir have kicked out all of the Hindus in Kashmir and still the Hindus haven't done anything to retaliate in other parts of India. In fact I visited Dharamsala in Himachal Pradesh (a state which has over 90% Hindus) earlier this year and saw plenty of muslims selling their shawls etc, working on construction etc. One thing Hindus and Sikhs will say is - Indian muslims are decent not like Pakistanis. I say that is nonsense! They only appear to be decent because they are a minority in most areas in India. Where they are a majority (Kashmir) we have seen what they have done. There is no difference in my opinion between a Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Indian muslim. It's just a case of their strength in numbers. Would a Kashmiri muslim ever build a Gurdwara or Mandir in Srinagar? Every August Sikhs and Hindus in India will cry and say partition was a bad thing and that everyone lived happily together and the two countries should join together again, the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis on the other hand will rejoice and they don't want more Sikhs and Hindus in their land, they want a pure Islamic state, they are happy with what happened and they make sure life is uncomfortable for minorities so that they either leave for India or convert to islam. Even in England - look at Southall, you will find Sikhs and Hindus selling pictures of mecca and other muslim memorabilia in their shops but you will never find a muslim selling Sikh or Hindu related goods. It's all one way traffic. I've even seen Hindu owned restaurants sell halal meat in the UK. Thankfully apne haven't gone to that step yet.
  16. Sikh and Hindus Build mosque

    My thoughts exactly. With a low birthrate we are well on our way and this is the icing on the cake. When I visited Punjab back in the 90s I used to love not seeing suls there. You cannot reason with them. Think about it this way Sikhism says there are many paths to God and they say their path is the only way and the others will burn in hell for eternity. You have one passive way of thinking and one aggressive way of thinking. Usually the aggressors win in history unless something is done. Just look at the Buddhists in Burma, they have finally had enough. I don't want it to get to that stage in Punjab.
  17. Hindu decrease in India

    We are just as bad if not worse.
  18. Sikh and Hindus Build mosque

    Probably never, after all everyone is equal Say what you will about Master Tara Singh, he did at least warn us about this menace and made sure we didn't have to live with these people after 1947, now it seems we are going backwards. Under a congress government, expect it to get worse.
  19. RIP, I hope the perpetrators face the full consequences. But yet again Sikhs will join the Kashmiris and support their cause for independence even though it is those same Kashmiris (mirpuris) who do crimes like this, and take part in grooming gangs that target Sikh girls.
  20. Hindu decrease in India

    Maybe in a first world nation you would hear about these things. But Punjab is a place which is overpopulated in the first place (due to people having 5 kids back in the 1950s and 1960s) plus a lot of babies are born at home and not in hospitals, especially previous generations. A lot of children simply do not go to school. Think about this - the literacy rate of Punjab has been going up slowly in the last two decades which means more people are going to school, in the past there were more Sikh and Hindu Punjabis and less were going to school so there would not have been many school places in the first place, so the number of seats in schools is adequate even if there are less Punjabis because more of them as a percentage are going to school. Besides this population decrease is slow so it takes a generation or two to see the bigger impact, but it is happening and once it happens it is very hard if not impossible to reverse. Sikhs and Punjabi Hindus are more materially minded than muslims so once they get a sense of the riches they like to do anything to maintain or enhance that and that is by having less children. Whereas muslims will pump out 3 kids even if they are educated like they are in Kerala where they have a high literacy rate. 2 kids is simply enough. Don't expect western sikhs to save sikhism. Every gurdwara in the uk is full of and run by old people from India or Kenya. The UK born sikhs go to the gurdwara, have no idea what is being said, bow their head, go downstairs and have langar and then go home. What's going to happen when all of those old guys from India and Kenya die?
  21. Sikh and Hindus Build mosque

    Malerkotla was the only place where muslims were spared in 1947, it was due to the fact that the governer their disagreed with the murder of the Sahibzade. Where was this done on the other side of the border. Sorry but you have to be harsh with people who treat you harshly, otherwise you just get bullied. None of this turn the other cheek. In India there are still Hindu Muslim riots despite Hindus being the absolute majority but they are too timid to end muslim aggression.
  22. Hindu decrease in India

    What use is there in lying? If anything that will make people have more children if they think their demographics are under threat.
  23. Sikh and Hindus Build mosque

    It's due to the migrants from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, and I'm guessing that they have lots of kids. Like I said above they have gone from 0% in 1947 to 2% now. Old mosques which were abandoned after 1947 have now opened again and stupid apne get happy with that or even encourage it. My father in law told me that he never saw muslims in Punjab when he was growing up in the 1960s and 1970s but on a recent trip back to Jalandhar he said he saw scores of muslims crowd towards a mosque in Jalandhar. Then you have idiots like Gurdas Khan, Hans Raj Hans, Kanwar Grewal, Harshdeep Kaur singing islamic sufi songs and dressing up like suls. It was good that we forced them all out in 1947 because they did the same to us. But due to Hindu weakness which allowed muslims to remain in India in places like Uttar Pradesh, Bihar we now have to pay the price. The only good thing is that the suls probably know that they cannot mess with us.
  24. You should not even visit a muslim majority country for a holiday let alone go there to live and work. RIP all the victims.
  25. Hindu decrease in India

    I can see where the 1.6 comes from. A lot of Sikh women go abroad to marry NRI Sikhs, leaving less women behind. The whole fertility rate of Punjab is 1.6, so it's not only the Sikhs who are having less kids, even the Punjabi Hindus. Punjab is a relatively more affluent state so people may be having less kids in general, whereas in places like Uttar Pradesh, Bihar etc people have more and this is what props up the Hindu population. Maybe due to the drink and drug culture in Punjab less people are getting married? At the end of the day Khatri, Jat, Rajput and Ramgarhia Sikhs still look down on low caste people, it's changing with the younger generation but those who are 50 and above will use disgusting terms for low caste people. I have seen this in Punjab and here in the UK, even Amritdharis are guilty of this. If you are being treated badly and not being accepted by a group then obviously you will want to move away from that group, only a fool would stay. This is why Islam was able to get a foothold in India and also Christianity.
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