TejS
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Alright. Thank you everyone. From what I have gathered is that the accompanying Sikhs forced Guruji to accept the false oaths, and it was not out of trust.
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Traditional Punjabi diet is suited for a very active/rural lifestyle. Most rural Sikhs in Punjab are still very fit. We need to modify that diet for a mostly sedentary life in the West.
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This is a good summation on Jewishness. The same can be applied for Sikhs, where moneh Sikhs and even Sikhs that aren't religious like Sunny Hundal, are trying to do something for Sikhi but are excluded from the "club" because of highly religious members. By doing this, we alienate them from an ancestral identity and lose their talents and solidarity. Sunny Hundal recently presented a pretty nice article on what Sikhs should be doing in Canada to fight the media attacks against Sikhs in politics, however most sidelined his advice as it was not coming from a Sikh himself. I think we should evolve ourselves to allow the Sikh identity be inherited and ancestral as well as religious. -
It is mentioned in the linked book that he was distressed by the Zafarnama primarily due to realizing he had betrayed his faith. https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520274198/fighting-words
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Thanks for bringing that to my attention. But why was he willfully accepting their oaths, knowing well it was a lie based on the fact that text themselves were false? That's still a question I have because accepting some of those false oaths cost him and the Sikhs dearly. I'm sure the Sikhs were more than willing to accept that any of those texts are false, and so ultimately their oath means nothing.
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Firstly, I mean no disrespect and am not trying to cause any trouble with this question. It is a genuine concern of mine that I have been having trouble finding an answer to. So I've been thinking about the promise Aurangzeb and his generals gave to Guru Gobind Singh Ji by swearing and taking an oath on the Quran. It is mentioned in the Zafarnama too. Considering the Quran is not the word of God, and therefore is a tampered or a fabricated text, why would Guruji even accept an oath on a false text? Given that he knows the text is false, he should have no reason to believe them? Right? Also, as @jkvlondon has informed me, Guru Gobind Singh Ji also accepted oaths by the Hindu Hill Rajas on their Gita. So why would Guru Gobind Singh Ji believe their oaths on false texts in the first place?
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Pakistani people are in general, and I mean no hate to anyone, obsessed Islamists. Even if a family member leaves, they will not let that family member act on their will. It's best ours not get involved with them. People have to understand that there is nothing like Punjabi brotherhood and that we're two separate, distinct communities diverging rapidly away from each other into our own. Neither do Muslim parents from what I've seen. They just blindly follow what they've been doing for centuries, kind of like us. However their children retain and love Islam more than ours retain and love Sikhi. Why? Well who should they get their ideas from? Their parents? Many Muslim parents are terrible role models, yet again, they're children are staunch Muslims. Why? This is a good point. The opposite is also true, where they give zero freedom, therefore giving their children more reasons to rebel. I've not seen that in North America, seems like a third-generation thing in the UK though? If so, I'm worried for the next generation of North American Sikhs. I want those glory days back. ? Yeah this is another good point. Bollywood is subverted Islamic propaganda. Use of heavy Arabic influenced dialogue, stories and songs. I've definitely seen Islamic culture be romanticized in Bollywood. Children would be better off watching Hollywood than Bollywood imo, and neither but that's not possible in the current climate of culture in North America. Another good point. Guess parents should make light of that other vital part of the message that parchariks glaze over. Agreed. Our community, if we're ever going to be more intellectual, needs to pick up more books and turn off the TV.
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I'm of the same opinion of this. Not a very good position to be in, and that's why I'm trying to get things cleared out on here and with elders.
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You misunderstood me. I feel cynical towards collective humanity because the struggles of our Sikh ancestors shows there is no such thing as compassion and love for people different in any way from you. Even our own Sikhs have betrayed us in the past for their personal benefits and short-sightedness.
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Well I think Sikh males and families need to change their views about this. There are many lax Muslim communities whose women and families aren't very keen on Islam and will convert for marriage. I think when we think Muslim, we think of Pakistanis and that's the problem. We should realize there are many Islamic communities out of South Asia that are not too keen on Islam. Why aren't our girls more into their faith? What are we doing wrong that we can't even instill faithfulness at even a superficial level in our girls? Most Muslim girls I know don't know a thing about Quranic doctrine and don't even pray as instructed, however have a profound respect for Islam, and protect it. Our women will always give the pathetic "God is One" and "humanity" crap to justify the respect of other religions. Like Allah or Brahma isn't going to give you the same kind of respect Waheguru does. Why is that concept ingrained in their mindset? Our women don't seem too bright if they have romanticized views such as this. Well then they're a smart and sensible bunch. No, we need to change the way we raise our women, so we don't end up getting more Khranjit Nijjers.
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I've honestly only ever seen our women marrying their men. Never their women with our men.
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Why is it always our women that go over to their side? I'd love for their women to come over to our side for once, but that never happens? What are we doing wrong in raising our females?
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Reading Sikh history has made me a very cynical person unfortunately. Any kind of amicable feelings towards humanity drowns away in me.
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Brahamkumaris in sikh schools! whats wrong with panth?
TejS replied to shastarSingh's topic in WHAT'S HAPPENING?
This is what happens when you want to pander to the mainstream. -
Thanks for your input. Another question I have concerning this explanation is that if the Creator itself was not happy as per the Brhadarnyaka Upanishad, then the Creator itself was not santokh, therefore not that far removed from us fallible humans. And if the Creator is fallible as human, then the Creator is not worthy of worship, right? So, I don't think this line of thought proposed by the Upanishad is accurate, as it portrays God in a fallible manner.
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That's exactly what I'm suggesting. But Punjabi culture is not Sikh culture.
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I realize that, but then why create us in the first place knowing this is what would eventually happen?
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I've thought about this and I agree to a certain extent and have agreed in the past, but if its genuineness that Waheguru wants from us, I'm sure Waheguru has the knowledge to know whether someone was genuine in their actions or not in the first place. And secondly, why even tell us about then the first place, wouldn't we be more genuine without that knowledge?
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No, it just makes us look like a defeated people. I'm sure we had a culture, but clearly there are not traces of it left due to terrible preservation.
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In every way haha. Any cultural item that you hold dear to with the exception of bhangra originated in West Asia. It is as foreign to us as is Western culture that we ironically despise.
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The problem I have with weird Sikhs doing iftar/Eid meals for Muslims
TejS replied to genie's topic in WHAT'S HAPPENING?
Exactly. It seems he's already mastered the posture. -
The Sanatana is strong in this one.
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They are far more original than Punjabi culture - a blatant copy of West Asian culture, a people who we have nothing to do with.