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  1. Some more Home Truths

    I reiterate again that we need to purge only our vernacular of Perso-Arabic influences, and leave Gurbani as it is. This change can only happen over the next generation, as we teach our kids to speak indigenous words and not pass on Perso-Arabic words. So instead of passing on dunya, you pass on sansaar to your children. This will start the change. And I limit this not only to Perso-Arabic influences, but also English as well. I cringe when I myself or anyway mixes the two languages. Each language has its own beauty and deserves to be spoken with respect, and mixing words from foreign languages is disrespect. We need to unearth the pre-Islamic Punjabi lexicon in order for this to be done. We can draw from 11th century Nath poetry to find Punjabi words that have been killed by their Perso-Arabic replacements. We can also draw from similar or parent languages such as Prakrits (e.g. Pali) and Sanskrit (though some users on here oppose this). We need to actively do this as a community and not as individuals. We as a community will have to settle on an agreement and revise the Punjabi lexicon, and set up a new Shabdkosh. If you respect your mother-tongue Punjabi, then you will agree with this needed revision. What respect are we giving our language by burying its own words into obscurity for the words spoken by foreign invaders, that’s called neglect and is disrespectful to our heritage. As Ranjeet has already stated many of our own are spineless and think that Arabic and Farsi words are more soulful, romantic, respectful, and intelligent. And so they cling on to these foreign words and it’s one of the reasons these words have trickled down from the past to the present. We need to change their backstabbing opinions or completely ignore their nagging and move on ahead with this needed revision.
  2. Some more Home Truths

    What about Gurbani? I never said we should change Gurbani, because we can’t. But we can remove Perso-Arabic influences from our vernacular. And when did I say that we should all begin to speak Hindi and Sanskrit, no that’s a terrible idea. We need to revise Punjabi, and you can call me whatever you like, but I firmly stand by that. Have you forgotten that the very tyrants that killed our Gurus, the Sahibzaades, slaughtered our men, our women, and children, sold our ancestors as slaves, pillaged our land for centuries imposed Perso-Arabic influences onto our language. If we have any ounce of self respect, we should purge those influences from our language. How am I demoting Punjabi? How am I saying we should stray away from Gurmukhi? In fact if you read any of my other threads you will realize I advocate further development of Gurmukhi and Punjabi. Why are you accusing me of things that I am opposed against in the first place?
  3. Some more Home Truths

    I began to realize, albeit a bit too late, that there really wasn’t any point in arguing with Jagsaw any further. But I gave the poster some benefit of doubt. But thank you for reassuring me that I wasn’t wrong in my judgment.
  4. Some more Home Truths

    Exactly. To be proud of one's language we should strive to speak words from our own language. Rabb is a commonly heard word in our community, but many do not know that it is Arabic. We can use indigineous words such as Ishwar or Parmatma instead during daily discourse. It's actively trying to bring back words that we used but were forced to extinction in our language because of violent invaders.
  5. Some more Home Truths

    Well what was spoken before Pali? Sanskrit! Just because I have a different opinion from yours doesn’t mean that mine is stupid. I actually have a valid arguement while yours is vapid. Why is it that the Zafarnama is the only piece purely written in Farsi, because it was a letter addressed to Aurangzeb - a Mughal who only spoke the language of the court, Farsi. And I’m not saying go all RSS and remove Perso-Arabic words from Gurbani, I’m just saying remove it from our present day lexicon, because that influence isn’t something to be proud of. You mention Ferdowsi’s Shahnameh, yet you completely missed the point of it. It was written to preserve Farsi from Arabic influence, it was an act of upholding a community’s self-respect that was under attack from foreign invaders. And here you are saying that the removal of violent foreign influence on our language is a “stupid argument”. More than half of the commonly used words in Punjabi stem from Sanskrit, not Farsi. And Arabic has had far more influence in Punjabi than Farsi, so what you have stated is incorrect. We have very little Farsi influence on our language, which many are unaware of. So I really don’t see what you’re trying to get at. Where do you guys get your information from? Sanskrit, an Indo-Aryan language that is almost mutually intelligible from Avestan, used by the ancient Iranian-Aryans is now based on a Dravidian language, Tamil. On top of that you link a biased website, why not link a more neutral one. You gotta be kidding me man. Punjabi has more Dravidian influence than Sanskrit has and here you are saying that Sanskrit is a made up language by Pandits that aped Tamil. Funny. You’re the one that needs to chill and stop spreading inaccurate information.
  6. Some more Home Truths

    Again taking my comment out of context. Perhaps you should go read my original post in the DNA testing thread. I said that changing Gurbani would be a dire no, but the nature in which Perso-Arabic influences entered our language are not very pleasant, and therefore we have no need to further use them when we have our own lexicon. We are not like the Guru Sahibs, and can never be. They had a way of speaking that managed to touch all and thus the use of multiple languages was used, also known collectively as Sant Basha. This a topic on Punjabi, and Punjabi itself does not need to be spoken with Perso-Arabic influences, we have our own unique words. It is for the most part accepted as a fact that Sanskrit outdates Punjabi. Earliest written inscriptions of Sanskrit have been dated to 100 BCE, whereas Punjabi is believed to arisen in 700 AD, and poetic use by Nath poets is dated to 1000 AD, and the first written account is around 1200 AD when Bhagat Farid wrote his shloks in Punjabi. And where are you getting this information that Sanskrit was made up by Pandits? Sanskrit predates Hinduism and shares links with the Avesta language.
  7. Some more Home Truths

    Chandasa is a precursor to Vedic Sanskrit and therefore are closely related. Prakrit stems from Vedic Sanskrit and the reason Buddha used Pali is because by then the Brahmins restricted the use of Sanskrit, Buddha, a Kshatriya could not use that language. Apabrahmsa is a type of Prakrit, I’ve been saying that for the past 3 posts, not sure why you’re phrasing it as if I was unaware, and just so you know Punjabi is an Apabrahmsha, a “corrupted” form of Prakrit, which in itself is a vernacular form of liturgical Vedic Sanskrit. Anyways to suit your own narrative, you’ve completely taken my comment out of context. I stated that we should remove Perso-Arabic influences from our language, Punjabi, as we have no relation to them, and I simply mentioned that if any language is related to Punjabi then it is Sanskrit. That was all I said, but it seems you have an agenda to fulfill and will harp on about it, so I guess no point of arguing. My profile avatar is a Nihang, who I thought looked mighty cool and thus decided to use, I have no agenda behind this unlike you. Also who is Nihang Niddar Singh? Can you please link a thread or forum where I’ve mentioned or sided with Nihang Niddar Singh? Or are you just making baseless accusations and forming needless assumptions to suit your narrative?
  8. Some more Home Truths

    Informal discussion or not, if I or anyone fails to understand what you’ve written in the first place, then there’s no point in writing at all as you won’t be able to get your arguments across. So whatever pride you take in not editing or making your argument understandable is in my opinion due to plain ignorance. How about instead of calling me an imbecile or fool, you back up your claims with relevant sources. Show me one relevant article that claims Sanskrit arose from Prakrit. You keep on harping about Sikhs in Punjab going through a process of “Sanskritization”; which I disagree with, no ones bringing back Sanskrit, Hindus love their Hindi now, yet I’ve never even lived in Punjab a single day of my life. I was born and raised in the West, so how did I go through “Sanskritization”. To deny that Punjabi comes from Sanskrit is to deny your heritage. Proto-Indo European language split into many languages of which we know there is Vedic Sanskrit and Old Persian. Vedic Sanskrit is nearly 5000 years old with it being spoken around 2000 BCE, where as Punjabi really emerged around 700 AD, so how exactly did Prakrit lead to Sanskrit? Can you please provide sources?
  9. Some more Home Truths

    Rightly said, without Brahmgian one cannot be a Brahmin. And restricting the flow of knowledge to other people is not reflective of the actions of a Brahmgiani. It is unfair, unjust and reflective of narrow-mindedness.
  10. Some more Home Truths

    It’s pure BS used to put down non-Brahmins.
  11. Some more Home Truths

    And you were told right, Pali is a Prakrit language, therefore an ancestor of Punjabi. Hindu Brahmins restricted Sanskrit, and that is how Prakrit languages derived in the first place. They were more natural, or as the Brahmins would say it, corrupted forms of Sanskrit. But the Vedic Indo-Aryans were the original speakers of Sanskrit, not the Hindus who come after the Vedic era, and those Indo-Aryans were our ancestors, therefore it’s our language too.
  12. Agreed with the fact that the users posts are verging on vulgarity, and a religious forum would be the last place to post these. I personally think if any individual has any questions about sexuality, they should be discussed on this forum, but making crude and borderline sexual remarks on a religious site is very disparaging behaviour. I don’t have anything against AjeetSinghPunjabi, and don’t want to offend him, but I ask that he please refrain from posting overtly vulgar and inappropriate remarks.
  13. Some more Home Truths

    Firstly, what you have written is factually incorrect. Sanskrit is a “refined” version of the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) language. And by the way it’s Prakrit, not “Prakhit.” Prakrit means “natural, vernacular” a language that is more informal than the liturgical Sanskrit, and Prakrit stems from Sanskrit, and not the other way around like you’ve mentioned. Apabrahmsa is a type of Prakrit, and Punjabi is a type of Apabrahmsa, ergo Punjabi is derived from Prakrit which itself is derived from Sanskrit, meaning that Sanskrit outdates Punjabi. Secondly, since when do Hindus have a monopoly on Sanskrit, how is it a Hindu language? Sanskrit is the language of the ancient Indo-Aryans who founded the Vedic religion, individuals that are our ancestors. Just because Hindus use Sanskrit in their religious texts doesn’t mean that they own the language.
  14. Post Your Favorite Kirtan

    Not sure if this has been posted before, but this is one of the most beautiful recitations of Sukhmani Sahib I’ve ever had the pleasure of hearing:
  15. I'm not trying to be critical here, but isn't one of the reasons for growing out our hair and beard is so that we don't focus too much on our appearance in trying to keep up with worldly trends and dwelling on different styles. Let the beard grow as it will, don't care for it. I'm not saying don't take care of it, but who cares how it grows. By dwelling on the appearance of your beard, you've ultimately defeated the purpose of growing it out. Who cares what it looks like, you're focus should not be on it anyway? I may be wrong, but this is how I honestly feel. And tbh I use to dwell on this as well, and it only brings more worrying and anxiety, just forget about it and you will find peace with whatever your appearance looks like.
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