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Oh hello again chatanga!! Nice to hear from you. Sirsa wala, badal, badal da munda, sgpc, jathedars, dhumma, dhummas little helpers - these are destroying sikhi. We all see it. Oh. I didnt know you was the one who approves who can or cannot say sant jarnail singh jis name. Sounds like dhumma in his first audio. I can say their name if i want to. Infact its dhumma that shouldnt say sant jarnail singh jis name especially after his barbaric manmat extreme actions. Lionhearts? Like the ones who did phulla di barkha on the killers? You mean the gunde who took an innocent life. You say lionheart? Haha.

@ Chatanga Yes i am hurt. Most sikhs are. open your eyes amd look around. Taksal the gem is now an extremist group. Of coure sikhs are hurt. Stop lying abt dhadrianwale. They aint responsible. U sound pathetic chatanga. Dhadrianwale didnt run to police. Do you even know ANY facts about anything. Are you like 12 years old. Maybe you made the story about the 9900000 crore iphone too lol Nothing wrong with stories changing. Some stories are told wrongly by elders. We as sikh are allowed to learn. Which i have previously stated. That story was created by taksalis. They tried to blame dhadrianwale. Facts are crystal clear. Blink and rub you eyes and maybe you will see. Hello there? There are THREE bullets shot at bhupinder singh. This was when the car was parked outside the school. Taksalis couldnt cope with panth chardikala. Youre wrong. Dhadrianwale swop seats in journeys a lot. Course you wouldnt know that because you know nothing about them. I am not a darshan singh fan. Maybe i have to remind you daily that i am not a missionary. I havent studied there nor did i take amrit from them so i am a SIKH. do you understand what that is or do you not understand anything without putting a jathabandi label on it? There are many sikhs. Sikhs follow maharaj. Not every sikh has to have a title before sikh. Nothing wrong with video. Sikhs are allowed different views. So if someone tells a story diff to bhindranwale are we suddenly nindaks? No. Harjeet singh ji is an amazing parcharak. Thanks for sharing the video. Of course id come up with a reply. You seem so intrigued so i dont mind replying to you chatanga. Anything that helps : )

Only certain jathebandiya promote chatka. Listen to what guru granth sahib ji say. Ghat ghat rav raheya sabh thayi pooran purakh bidhata. God is in every single heart. Now i see that as animals have hearts also. Eh rasna tu anras raach rahi... maharaj says our rasna tongue wants more taste. But later on in the shabad we are told that we will forget all tastes when we turn to maharaj. Jo sabh meh ek khudai keht ho to kio murgi mare. Why kill birds when gods in everyone? Kabeer bhaang maashuli sura paan jo jo prani khahe. You waste everything by having fish etc. There are many examples in gurbani. Gurbani does not say jhatka an animal and eat it. Panj pyare also list meat as a sin. Panj pyare are a form of maharaj when we take amrit. So lets listen to them. Theres many threads about meat.

Wouldnt everyone live according to their religion. Im not sure. But most likely people other than sikhs wouldnt want to live in khalistan anyways. Even some sikhs may not want to. If everything in terms of wrong things were to carry on then why do they need to call it khalistan. Isnt that a bit misleading. The name will not change whats going on at ground level in punjab. Maharaj tells us the definition of a khalsa and say if we miraculously got khalistan shouldnt they atleast try to promote how to live according to a khalsa lifestyle? For sikhs anyway. E.g. they should really sieve throigh every field and for example stop bhangra groups in colleges and preach dharam. I dont know what other religions would do they might get bored and leave. Khalistan is probably never going to happen its a bit unrealistic but lets see. If they think khalistan is about human rights and equality that is a good idea but that could then happen anywhere. Sikhs dont need land named khalistan we need corruption out of the current system. Khalistan could also become corrupt. It most likely will because the leadership in khalistan will probably be no different to our current leadership. The only difference would be that the current leaders will become stronger and more corrupt. Again, my personal view and i could be totally wrong. Maybe khalistan will have a chardikala panthic singh in charge who is not biased at all and strong to stand by the truth regardless.

I am not khalistani but for example, imagine if suddenly we got khalistan. Would we say 'it is unnecessary to ban tobacco, barbers, cinemas, pubs, meat shops, wessing parties etc'. Of course everything would have to transform and live according to khalsa regulations only. Back then the singhs made it the closest thing to khalistan.

Missionaries definitely are not the ones out for peoples blood. They dont seem very violent by the looks of things. They dont hold shabeels. Just saying.

I somewhat agree with your points above. Analysing is good and yes i also agree it is a way forward. And yes spotting mistakes is a good quality to have. However personally I don't feel these rules were wrong. I think they showed us an example of how many things should be in regard to weddings and so forth. In my eyes, I see it as parchar.

So there should be music at weddings? And alcohol? And women should let their hair down? Weddings should be the utmost simplistic. It would only alienate those who live in a bubble of rituals and traditions and cant let go. We today cannot sit here and say 'it should have been like this'. The people involved are the only ones who really knew how it was. It is easy for us to sit and analyze it all 30 years later. The singhs had to act quick. They made the right decisions for that time. Imagine if a thief came to your house and killed your family and tried to stab you. God forbid. What would you do? You would do what you think is best at the time. Maybe you would kill the thief i dont know. Would it be right for me to say 'you could have considered.... this and that'. No of course not. You had to act.

Thanks. I get what you mean but why delete it after. New people wont understand the thread

Why does everyone edit text to dots....

The only hell and heaven is what we experience whilst living. Dharam raja up there? There is no man sitting up in the sky anywhere. It is an example. Dharamraja is not going to make you walk through fire or beat you with a stick. We experience hell through our actions and we experience mukti through our actions, all in this life. When we do something bad we feel guilt and that feeling eats away at us and we are constantly worried of the outcome. It may make us sleepless and that is living in hell. Same with good deeds and abhiyaas. You feel feel mukat. Sikhi is about the present. Why worry why fear when everything that happens is in maharajs hukam. If maharaj makes us a pig then that is maharajs choice. Jeh jeh rakheh aap teh jaey kharovna. Maharaj says whereever you keep me, i am happy. Use the present to bring good future. But do not worry about the past or future. Chetna hei toa chet le nis din meh prani. Save the time you now currently have. Maharaj will take care of everything. Cheer up and just appreciate what maharaj has given you at this moment in time. Do not worry about losing it because maharaj gave us this life and when the time comes they will take it back. I am learning also and have a long way to go.

Even if admins don't agree, a lot of sangat do. Being admin doesnt mean they have 100% gurmat views. If admins supporrt ajnala does it mean they are right and we should too? No course not. Calling me a nindak doesnt turn me into a nindak. It like calling green blue will not turn it blue. Calling dhumma a sant will not turn him into one. Beadbi? Badal let almost 100 incidents of beadbi take place. Badal let taksalis shoot bhupinder singh. Badal got thanked for his antics by giving ladoos. Sirsa wala does beadbi. Dhumma did beadbi if ardas by putting badals name in it. Jathedars did beadbi of sahibzade saying they are hindus. To conclude, dhumma does beadbi and besti of damdami taksal. Have a great day ji

Singhunit is referring to SHAHEED BHUPINDER SINGH who you probably call a missionary therefore approve the killing.

Are you serious? You must be so in love with him to not see what he has done. The fact that you are asking me that proves how less you must know of recent events. Either that or you have some extreme views. If someone doesnt see that, that is disturbing. Every child in india and abroad are aware of the attack and the mastermind behind it. Wow. I am actually speechless.

Dhadrianwale are not responsible for the killing of them singhs. Stop lying. So are you saying bhindranwale are responsible for the killing of all the innocents in 1984? Of course not. Them singhs shaheedi did not happen by dhadrianwale. Dhadrianwale did not oppose them they did not give death threats and have many times mentioned the events in diwans. It is a total diff story so your comparison is ridiculous. I know the truth hurts by sadly harnam dhumma planned the killing of bhupinder singh. Read the news or his videos or dhadrianwale diwans and you will get a clearer picture of what happened. On top of that dhumma has huge input in todays jawani losing faith in maharaj and tuening to sirsa saadh. Dhumma forgave him therefore he clearly has no objection. So therefore he has help promote sirsa saadh. How many lives is he responsible on top of the innocent killing? He asked sangat to vote for his brother badal. Its a joke. Then you wonder why i prefer missionaries! Haha Everything is down to sharda on maharaj. I have previously listed a long list of the manmat at mehta. Go through my previous replies ji. No. You asked me where is it written. I said do we only believe things written? No of course not. Look at bhai taru singh baba deep singh shaheedi. Do you need written proof for everything? They didnt write it before they were shaheed to inform us did they. Do i believe it even though it is not written? Yes of course. We do not need written/video evidence for everything if we have sharda for maharaj. You are twisting my replies to use in your reply. Sly. Thank you also. I pray god helps me and guides me to stay out of anti gurmat and continue bringing jathabandi manmat to light. I strive to tell the truth. Waheguru.

You keep talking of how bad missionaries are. Yet you have not once oppossed dhumma. Interesting. Taksalis think theyre most intelligent and missionaries think they are. Its how it is. How do you know was you in taksal with sant sundar singh ji? I didnt want to say this but of course things have changed. Its like chinese whispers. There was minimal literature about taksal before sant gurbachan singh ji. Singhs did what the mahapursh said. What do you honestly believe baba deep singh was like todays taksalis following manmat? Listen, to summarise dhumma is making singhs become shaheed whereas sant jarnail singh ji was the one giving shaheedi. Theyre opposites. If you cannot understand that taking an innocent life is wrong then what point is there in me giving you more examples. You may continue bashing missionaries it makes no difference to anyone ji. Huh? Oh so we only believe what is in writing? Sant jarnail singh ji didnt write their shaheedi so that must be a lie? Guru gobind singh ji didnt write that they are introducing damdami taksal do that is also a lie? Where did sahibzade write it? You are a joke. It is like when a little kid says 'this is my chair' and the friend says 'where is it written?'. Haha grow up. You have no idea how pathetic you sound. I believe everything in guru granth sahib ji obviously. I do not believe in the stories where manmat people have tried to degrade guru gobind singh ji. Listen to some missionary katha and you will understand ji.... since you know everything what they believe so why ask me to repeat. We think we know best but we should take gyaan from any jathabandi when they talk about gyaan abt maharaj. I think i have said everything. Even an alien would understand my replies. God help the likes of you.

Okay ji. No worries. Good luck.

Hainnn??? Errrrr... i dont know if you serious lol Okay. Maybe you can clothe the bakre too. Lets hope you joking. Parties aint gurmat.

LOL What bakwaas is this! What a total jaloos. Its is beyond me how people can be into this gand In the video the goat joins in. The thing is in actual fact the goat is screaming for help cus he is about to be beheaded. Poor poor animals.

Baggarbilla is an animal. Exactly! And the singer is way off tune too by the sound of it. The words i made out were 'noana me sabban naal'. I dont listen to bhangra /music etc but from the video yes i dont think they are saying full punjabi or even sentences. Deffo dancing like goats.

Sorry i assumed you may have heard. Yes the animals must be thinking "YOU PAKHANDI dont kill me kill someone that needs killing kill a nindak not me what have i done to you. You aint no sikh!"

Tooo funny. Reminds me of the mahaan sant baba baggarbilla ji!

They resemble animals already! Yet the animals have way more akkal!

I think it would be the best way forward. They could have the whole of noahs arch with them even. Then your jhatkad animals heads could be hanging from the roof.