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Everything posted by dallysingh101

  1. Other people describe this in more brutally frank and less endearing terms. I believe you're talking about our 'docility' here. Apnay sometimes have the minds of love-starved children (when it comes to outsiders) and go to embarrassing lengths to try and someone prove their worthiness. A lot of our lot also have some hardcore sycophancy thing going on towards goray (especially but not solely the older generation). I think this is what Kipling meant when he referred to colonised 'natives' as 'half devil and half child'. You can't be ruthless towards someone you idolise and feel lesser than. As a consequence of this inferiority complex, people will perceive apnay as useful simpletons at best - or complete lullos to be used and not given much respect.
  2. This is unusual. I've always found that absent father figures can make young females become promiscuous, but here it sounds like your father was a decent, supportive guy. I'd suggest, exploring within yourself and facing up to your behaviour honestly, without deflecting the blame elsewhere. Attention and physical excitement can be addictive, many people (male and female) have fallen victim to them. You aren't the first - and i doubt you'll be the last. What I'm wondering is why you want a really religious partner like this? I hope (and I'm not saying that it is!) - it is not an attempt to try and somehow clear up your own reputation by associating with someone else. That wouldn't be fair on them. I just find it more productive if a person acknowledges their own part in what has transpired (even if it was down to human weakness) rather than absolve oneself of everything by putting it on everyone else. In the meanwhile just carry on cleansing yourself with naam. A lot of us have to do this to address past behaviour: Be true to yourself without beating yourself up about it.
  3. Got a friend who might be moving up to Richmond Hill. What should he expect?
  4. I grew up seeing a few turbaned Sikhs as mayors and councillors and whatnot. I'm wondering if it made any difference?
  5. There isn't a thing I could disagree with in all that. Going back to the post I made just previous to this - we (and let's be frank some of our ancestors) have created an image for the people here in England that only suggests malleability and compromise on our part. They must know that they came in and largely rewrote our faith during the colonial period. What weaker signal could we have sent them? How would this not mentally effect how they perceive us?
  6. Problem in England is that we've created such a low image of ourselves in the political domain (post annexation) with English people, they don't even consider us worthy (and let's be frank, capable) of anything of any significance in the political domain. Time and time again we have rings run around us - and we still repeatedly follow old maxims and strategies that aren't working at all. To lobby we need some bargaining chips. Muslims have it with oil rich nations and the capability to disrupt the economic system of the land here through terrorism. What the hell do we have to bargain with?
  7. I hear you. But still, I think promoting a norm of physical training amongst the youths over there (especially the boys) will be a good step in the right direction. I mean stuff like boxing, mma etc. as well as weight training and all that calisthenics stuff too. We got to push people in the right direction.
  8. Are you kidding me. You have communities there over a 100 years old. You have massive concentrations in Richmond Hill and probably a bunch of other places too. Look, this feminisation of Sikh males isn't confined to one country. It's a global phenomena. However, we've seen a lot of Sikhs being attacked in the US, so it isn't like there isn't a problem there.
  9. I hear you. I just feel that although these 'ruthless' things are unavoidable in matters of state, some degree of restraint on how far we go isn't a new or unusual idea either. It's like Wazir Khan sanctioning the execution of kids, and the famous man from Malerkotla saying: "That's going too far, I'm not being a party to this." This type of restraint may also be considered a matter of commonsense, and acknowledging umpteen historical examples of overstretched, longstanding empires which collapsed abruptly and quickly as a result of over-ambition and trying to take on some perceived lesser race/tribe/nation with disastrous consequences (for themselves) should serve as a warning. Sort of analogous of Moghuls scoffingly taking on a perceived ragtag army of mixed castes of some 'new-age' religion (i.e. our forefathers). Is it wise to disturb a hornet's nest, when you have a delicately built edifice that is wide-open to attacks? Going back to a good few years ago, when Bush and Blair kickstarted much of the crap we see today, we can say that those who warned of the idiocy of playing such politics and warned of an increasingly dangerous world as a consequence (and not increased security as was touted) were proved right. So maybe that 'realpolitik' you talk about isn't actually that, but poorly thought out politics that have come back to haunt the instigators?
  10. Do you think they should be doing this I the first place in this day and age? As Sikh citizens of the nations that attempt to do this, how should we feel about? Indifferent, supportive, condemning? Quietly supportive? Are there no ethical/moral dimensions to this type of thing that we should be reflecting upon? More so given the outright carnage these escapades have caused abroad (which DO play a big part in the terrorist attacks here in my opinion). Lately, we've seen two ex-soldiers who've converted to Sikhi (Tegh Singh and Fatehpal Singh Tarney on Sikhchic) talk about the trauma or psychological issues and emptiness they've felt having been involved in some of these dubious wars. Isn't this more important for us in the UK, as the indigenous here go well out of their way to represent and encourage Sikh loyalties in such endeavours given some sections of our communities history with their previous colonialist agenda? When you say this, it almost sounds like you are saying that it is okay to pursue destructive policies abroad as long as you insulate yourself from any potential violent repercussions.
  11. @californiasardar1 I tell you what mate, I don't know if we are getting a false impression abroad from the media, but from how it appears that US Sikhs regularly get stomped over there by racists, I'd say that Sikh men manning up over there is a very good idea.
  12. I've been wondering: just how much of the current indigenous 'anger' at immigration in England is down to certain white people feeling angry that their nation is not able to ruthlessly follow a greedy and violent foreign policy without violent retaliation on their own soil by 'immigrants' or their offspring? Also, some people are talking about apathy. Well, I think a certain percentage of the indigenous may secretly feel that their own government is largely responsible for the havoc that is taking place around the globe and so shut up about all this terrorist stuff because of their own perceived culpability in matters. What do you think of that MisterrSingh?
  13. I don't think it hasn't benefitted the Arabs. I think it's made many wealthy beyond imagination and empowered them politically.
  14. This thing is so deep, simple pendus like us Panjabis have to concede that we are already over our heads in the matters. Reading that Confessions of an economic hitman book made me realise (more than ever) that there are deep international political games being played over power and wealth that are so ruthlessly executed by 'pillars of society' that it would shock many of us. A lot of what we are seeing today is a blowback from Bush and Blair's kartootaan.
  15. I ain't got no problem with you. If we are going to discuss important things, of course things may get heated sometimes. Yeah, brothers do argue - sometimes more than others because closeness does that. But as long as important stuff is uncovered in these discussions - it's all good to me. For the record, I don't find 'those traits' in Muslims appealing - I'm just acknowledging successful strategies on their part. We'd be fools not to see them. I bet you this was because closet gays infiltrated the establishment by then and subtly promoted effeminate males. Like the gay run fashion industry has been for the past few decades.
  16. I feel like many apnay get insecure and scared when another apna points out just how unprepared we are as a society for any craziness that might happen out there - that is the root of Ranjeet's issues. I'm not in this boat myself because I was fortunate enough to meet some far-sighted and intelligent brothers in the past, and I don't physically laze about either. We need a community wide discussion about this to avoid a false sense of security. We have lessons from all those Delhi Sikhs in 1984 to remind us of what having our heads in cloud cuckoo land can lead to. Now I don't think it will boil down to anything more than opportunist attacks on vulnerable Sikhs here in the UK, in a worse case scenario (by either goray or sullay), but Ranjeet crying because I've pointed out how effeminate we've become is ridiculous. Don't shoot the messenger - and I walk the walk. Also, dispassionately and honestly analysing the strengths and weaknesses of Islamists isn't a stupid idea either. Underestimating them is as foolish as inflating their capabilities. Same with any other potential threats, like racist goray. I thought this thread was informative, especially as the majority of apnay are closeted and a lot of these types use the internet quite a bit - but obviously ranjeet sees it differently.
  17. Good. Now stop acting like a pu55y because someone is trying to give hordes of our other closeted brothers a heads up on what might come. I don't talk a good game, I live the life, from young too. Didn't have a f**kin option w**ker. It's sad that people like me have to even do this, because it's really (yet another) failure of our lot to confront reality. And don't talk your sh1t about the glass being half full. It took decades just to get apnay to face up to grooming when it was rampant in our society, and they still struggle with it. Next time don't b1tch out because someone's doing the sh1t (but important) work people like you seem incapable of. Dumb farmer.
  18. Well, I just hope those 'soft' Sikhs don't fold like unexperienced pajamay if the time comes. Are you one of them by the way? If you think we don't need more sharp 'tough' apnay, (if that's how you want to put it) in this day and age, you must be more thick than you appear. I ain't itching for a fight - but I know there are loads of people on the other sides who are. Face up to it.
  19. Go abroad then. Don't play that loyal, docile sepoy card again. We've done that to death, and to our detriment as well. That just puts a ghulaam mentality in the heads of most recruits and is used to make us look like dumb loyal attack dogs.
  20. If I didn't believe that I would have converted to something else a long time ago. That all being said, you don't have a straight clue about human nature, especially in tough situations. When the 5h1te hits the fan, all these nice guy notions fly out of the window. If brothers were to act all 'kumbh baa yaa' in prison like you are suggesting, and they couldn't tear off heads to defend themselves (and I mean literally here!), they'd actually make themselves into targets for their perceived soft/weakness by all the other predators there (and not just muslim ones!) You need to get in your head, society gets made up of all sorts, including people on the psychopathic or sociopathic scale. A lot of these types go on to become leaders in various organisations due to their characteristics. That's why you have all these leaders who can act all nice yet give orders which they know will lead to lots of innocent deaths or sack people with no remorse. In any case statistically there are a disproportionate amount of such people in prison (in comparison to the general public), so all these notions you have of how people will react to altruism are completely off. Such things will get interpreted as effeminate weak behaviour by many and a reason to attack. I like the way you play down our fractures like a regular peasant by the way. Yes, ours might be petty compared to theirs, but our small numbers means our fractures impact upon us on a more profound level than theirs (in my opinion). A small fractured group, is infinitely weaker than a massive fractured group, which is more like a giant monster with multiple heads. Anyways.... It don't hurt to have worldly knowledge here. There was a time when I'd see bunches of black salafist/wahhabi converts giving it large on Vasaikhi in Southall. For the time being they seem distracted by goray and their politics (which is a nice break). But whenever that ends, we should be ready to become the focus of attention again.
  21. I'd say caution is warranted here, given a full century of outright manipulation of dumb Sikhs in the British military. These people play us so well, they'll have hordes of poor peasants jumping around like dimwitted poster boys if we aren't careful. They did it before, so it wouldn't be the first time. If you want to learn how to use a gun, go to a gun range.
  22. Another point about converts to Islam in prison: One great thing about religion is that it can bring much needed structure into your life. Especially with daily practices (like nitnem). I think another reason why so many people from certain types of backgrounds convert to Islam in prison is because it gives them a readily accessible (and in comparison to some other faiths, a relatively easier) structure to follow. Prayers seem very short in Islam. There is that whole sort of physical coordination thing they have when they pray etc. And they've had centuries of experience of converting and dialoguing with nonMuslims (by both fair and foul means!). So someone can quickly get an identity and sense of belonging there. Our lot are different in that respect (and I'm not saying if this is bad or good), we are infinitely more fractious than a lot of other groups.
  23. I can only talk about what I've witnessed and experienced. And I do give that weight, because most apnay w**kers are too scared to even go out there and mix it up with anyone remotely threatening to them, yet think they know what is going on from their closeted positions. I know fighters when I see them, and I can recognise pu55ies too. And what would apnay know about brotherhood in this day and age anyway? Only a warped <banned word filter activated> would think we've got things right in that department right now. How much of Amritdhari 'brotherhood' is actually the result of strong parental pressure to conform these days? And are you seriously telling me we don't have this 'them and us' mentality rampant amongst our lot in various ways too - be it in peasant mentalities that make them feel different to all other Sikhs, or inter-jatha mentalities, or amritdhari versus mona mentality. Are you living in some dream world mate? Right now, we are a fractured disunited people. That's not an excuse to become despondent though because there is everything to play for. What is a dhimmi? If you're suggesting that I might convert to Islam, there is no chance of that. I'm happy where I am. However, that doesn't mean I sulk about like some snidey pendu, full of cry baby emotions just because I can see some other communities are doing some things better than us. That's just a signal for us to bring up our game and not act like village-idiots as too many of us do.