dallysingh101

Priti and her tory friends.

I'll be honest sis. I did bhangra. Went to gigs as a youngun. And at uni (due to friends pressure and meeting other Sikhs in appreciable numbers for the first time). I thought: 'This is my culture!' It's just once you realise what's going on, your whole mind-set towards it changes. It's not only putting girls up as exhibits and vulnerable to predators, its also the whole getting plastered out of your head by the blokes too. Then the potential for internal violence shoots up too. In all of this, we have very devious, predators watching it all. The whole casteism promotion too. Which has gone well out of hand.

It's a shame though, because many don't understand and think others are being 'killjoys' or 'kattar'. They don't get the reasons why. They think it's harmless.

I think they still have poetic symposiums back home, or they did until recently (according to a book by Khushwant Singh), and they drew crowds. I think for Panjabi boys, lyricism is a good idea, getting them to express complex ideas and emotions through rhymes. Increase vocab. Older ones should be given survival training, camping, hunting (if nonveg!), shooting, horse-riding, archery, javelin, discus, martial arts, racing, gymnastics etc. etc. I would have loved this as a kid. Plus we need to make sure no pedo nonces infiltrate, because they will try!

That thread was 10 years ago. A lot of things have changed since then (in the UK at least). We know more about the link between bhangra culture and grooming. We know more about how others perceive the prancing about too. As far as I'm concerned, blokes shouldn't be doing it publically on stages, dressed like gandus either, let alone women or girls. And it's now promoted everywhere, including like this in Amritsar: That waistcoat thing IS Panjabi. All the pak-Panjabi boys used to come back with them when they went back home when I was a kid. They had little mirrors on them as well. This thing is like a virus that spreads. I think UK is waking up a bit - Canada and other places probably not. Hell they got their pres doing it ffs!

Us putting our own womenfolk on stages to prance about like professional kunjrees for all to behold is a bad move. Teaches them to be exhibitionists and sends a message to other more conservative communities about us. Canada is appalling in this respect. I think that costume was at some point traditional jut attire though. It's ubiquitous now. Wherever I see something Panjabi, there are some twats dressed like that in the background. I think boys might take to horse-riding, archery and other sports as well. Gymnastics maybe? Javelin.

Might be Devnagri script. Most UK based Sikhs don't even seem to know Gurmukhi, let alone this.

Great find! What's Hindi Pahari Mishrath? Did PDL get back to you about digitising it?

You might want to check out Goodmayes. Chigwell is posh as f**k. Don't know Woodford. Romford is like old east London a bit, lots of wannabe white 'wide boys' there apparently? lol

I had a young mixed race nephew who came around one day and starting doing bhangra moves out of the blue. I said: "Where d'you learn that!" He told me "At school." I said: "You should be learning maths and science over there, not this." So they are pushing that on even nonSikh kids these days and you know how kids can easily get confused about their identity. We need to stop pushing and promoting this fudhu shyte in our community. It's become ubiquitous and synonymous with us now. And let's keep it real. It's not Sikh culture, it's not even Panjabi culture. It is an element of jut culture that's run amok and taken a life of its own.

Be careful. Just this morning I was talking to a pal of mine and she told me about some HP she's met (whose young daughter is school friends with her daughter). This women apparently married an apna desi guy whose been here since the 80s. She's been disowned by her own family (mainly brothers), and then she's found out that her husband has got a lot of issues including opiate addiction. The women sounds broken by it all.

Which country are you in now? Have you met anyone else whose done what you're saying?

I didn't even know we had Panjabis raised up over there!

How are you going to get married there then?

These peasants will do bhangra at any given opportunity. I am shocked that sullay have let their women watch this though. But then again maybe they want their women to see what male kunjurs look like?

Bro, I think we are very lucky these days in that we have access to untold books via the internet, and much of it free too! Initiatives like Sikhbookclub.com, panjabdigital library, scribd etc. I'm not saying all of it is quality, and I think most of what was written in english previously is skewed. But still, the panth has access to books in a way that it never ever had before. It's up to people to search and learn.

I wouldn't go that far mate. I really struggle with a lot of things! lol As I get older I realise more and more that my Gurmukhi vocabulary is limited.

Premi put me onto this on another forum. You can read a few pages for free on Amazon with the 'Look inside' thing. I've just read a few pages and like what I've read thus far. Check it out! https://www.amazon.co.uk/Patshahi-Mehima-Revisiting-Sikh-Sovereignty/dp/1838143734/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1643480328&refinements=p_27%3ARanveer+Singh&s=books&sr=1-1&asin=1838143734&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1

I did a stint (a few days) helping some desis on a renovation. All day long they listened to Fudhu Moosewala songs, and other pro-caste ones as well as the odd K'stani one. On the lunch breaks they'd talk about a homeland. Then it subsequently transpired there was a network of desi builders, ripping each other off whenever they could. And I thought: "Boy, you clowns talk all this shyte about K'stan, but you can't even do this without backstabbing each other every other day....." Let's face it, they seem like text book uncultured people, who promote barn-darning culture like it was the best thing since sliced bread.

If Ajmer Singh is right, KPS Gill must be looking up from hell laughing at all this......

After all Sikh history is British history. What a numpty........I know she's helped SYUK and that but effing hell....

^^^^^ Face it people. Right now, THIS is what we are known for by many.....balle balle