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  1. Guru nanak was stuanchly against pictures / idols but irony is today we have pictures of guru nanak created purely through imagination and people standing before them with folded hands - babaji solve my this problem or that , His core message was never ask for anything matereliastic and live through good and bad times with equanimity , if anything hard times are what get us closer to waheguru (dukh daroo sukh rog bhaya , ja sukh taam na hoye) Nanak bolan jhakna dukh chad m...angiye sukh || dukh sukh doye dar kapre pehre jaye manukh || Jithe bolan hariye tithe changi chup || Instead of focusing on guru ji's message we have reduced him to a mere Devta - devi deva poojiye kya mango kya dey . He did the very hard udasis risking his life, sacrificing time that he could have spent in comfort with his family to teach us how to live, but we are only interested in some miraculous favor out of his pictures - the message is too boring for us - we are too busy with facebook, tv, gossip, internet , movies etc - Mat vich ratan jawahar manik je ek gur ki sikh sunee
  2. There are two schools of spirituality - which one do you think sikhi belong to Gyaan marg vs bhakti marg (i) No Symbols of god - he is the universe vs God definitely needs a symbol For sikhs it has become Saroop of sggs and the confines of gurdwara (ii) No rituals are ever needed vs Rituals are a must In sikhi context we have started chavar, akahand paths, jot, sukhasan , prakash , expensive palkis , keep the saroop in AC / blankets (e.g I don't keep my phone in AC which also has the same SGGS in electronic format ) (iii) Meditation is the only way to find him - Pancha ka gur ek dhyan vs chanting or reciting (while mind is wandering in thorughts) or paying others to recite for you (as in outsourced akhand paths ) (iv) No miracles - only laws of nature which do not discriminate against materialistic person or favor spiritual one vs For your worldly needs beseech god - e.g cure diseases, pass exams , success in business etc. (v) No sectarianism - all humanity is absolutely one (Na ko hindu na musalmaan) vs A sect is almost always formed because our ego makes us gel with people who follow same symbolism as us , so now we have sikhi becoming a sect and not much of a way to live a full life and cut the cycle of rebirths.
  3. Finished 10 days Vipasna meditation - was the most profound spiritual experience of my life - almost reborn. Vipasna is a scientific way to live joyfully and happily regardless of your worldly circumstances and make others around you happy as well while helping you overcome the endless cycle of rebirths. Things I learnt 1. Nothing ever goes wrong - nothing has ever gone wrong and nothing ever will , therefore never regret your past or be in dilemma for the future - any choice you make will be the right choice . The forces of nature that run the planet are beyond human intelligence and nothing ever happens randomly. The fact that you are the doer/decision maker is an illusion which causes immense suffering to yourself and others around you. Hukmai andar sabko bahar hukam na koye || 2. Everything is impermanent - whatever good or bad times you are having will not last , so experience them as a witness rather than a consumer for example if you are feeling angry - say to yourself the reality of the moment is that my body is experiencing anger - watch your breath , heart rate etc .Or If you are having financial or health problems - say to yourself this will pass too , and same goes for good times , make the most of them while they are coz they would be gone too. Kis nal keejai dosti sab jag chalanhar || 3. Illusion of eternity - unfortunately we are conditioned to live our life as immortals - if I look back my 40 years of life seem like 40 seconds and I am not sure how many more 'seconds' are left , so why associate with this body and obsess with its future. Every new year take a moment to ponder about the last new year eve and it will seem like only yesterday. 4. Hate no one - Just as you are not the doer, so are not the other people which means if someone said or did something unfair to you , that action was caused by a force that is beyond this person's control so no point holding them responsible and causing yourself hatred and anger. Manda kis noo aakhiye je dooja hoye 5. Others before self - It brings way more joy to give something you cherish to someone who is in dire need than keeping it to yourself. I have decided to dedicate my life for the welfare of others. This automatically makes the 'I' in my very petty as its now just an end to a mean while before it meant the world to me. Mithya tan nahi parupkaari 6. Life obsessed with 'making it' is sure to bring misery - I am myself implicated in this as my attempts to becoming a software entrepreneur was causing me - lack of sleep , stress , excessive thinking - limit your material needs and you will find how little it takes to be happy. Kacha dhan sanchai murakh gavar Bikhyia ka dhan sada dukh hoye | Na saath jaaye na paraapat hoye. 7. Spend time in nature - watch the birds fly , feel the breeze on your body this is where you came from and what you will eventually merge into - feel the perfection in the apparent randomness . "Kudrat hai keemat nahi paaye " 8. Treat every day as your last - first thing when you get up in morning say to yourself with conviction this might very well be the last day of my life - I must make the most of it for myself and do something good for others . ਹੋਇ ਆਮਰੋ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਮਹਿ ਬੈਠਾ ਕਰਣ ਕਾਰਣ ਬਿਸਰੋਹੀ ॥੨॥ होइ आमरो ग्रिह महि बैठा करण कारण बिसरोही ॥२॥Ho▫e āmro garih mėh baiṯẖā karaṇ kāraṇ bisrohī. ||2|| He considers himself to be immortal; he sits in his home, and forgets the Lord, the Cause of causes. ||2|| ਅਨਿਕ ਭਾਤਿ ਕਰਿ ਮਣੀਏ ਸਾਜੇ ਕਾਚੈ ਤਾਗਿ ਪਰੋਹੀ ॥ अनिक भाति करि मणीए साजे काचै तगि परोही ॥ Anik bẖāṯ kar maṇī▫e sāje kācẖai ṯāg parohī In various ways, he fahions the beads, and strung them on a slender thread. ਤੂਟਿ ਜਾਇਗੋ ਸੂਤੁ ਬਾਪੁਰੇ ਫਿਰਿ ਪਾਛੈ ਪਛੁਤੋਹੀ ॥੩॥ तूटि जाइगो सूतु बापुरे फिरि पाछै पछुतोही ॥३॥ Ŧūt jā▫igo sūṯ bāpure fir pācẖẖai pacẖẖuṯohī. ||3| The thread shall break, O wretched man, and then, you shall repent and regret. ||3|| 9. Do not argue - Almost all arguing/debating is ego fuelled wastage of your precious breaths. You can't explain quantum physics to a Donald Trump voter. Vaad vivaad kahu seo na keejai | Rasna ram rasayan peejai and Parh akhar eho buhjiye | Murakhe naal na lujhiye || 10. Cut all electronic noise out - facebook , tv , internet forums , movies , etc are all rasas that yield zero outcome at the end , so the sooner you get yourself out of the addiction the better
  4. Should sikhs celebrate divaali (rechirstened as bandi chor divas)when there is no historical proof of Guru Hargobind jee acutally coming home on a day that coincides with hindu Diwaali ? Share your views - in my view if we have a good naam simran practise then everyday is diwali
  5. Do not ever mind the mean words which others say to you , for it is Waheguru himself who is speaking through them . ਆਪੇ ਸੁਣਿ ਸਭ ਵੇਖਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਮੁਖਿ ਬੋਲੇ ਆਪਿ ਮੁਹਾਹੁ ॥ आपे सुणि सभ वेखदा पिआरा मुखि बोले आपि मुहाहु ॥ Āpe suṇ sabẖ vekẖ▫ḏā pi▫ārā mukẖ bole āp muhāhu. The Beloved Himself sees and hears everything; He Himself speaks through the mouths of all beings.
  6. ਨੀਲ ਵਸਤ੍ਰ ਪਹਿਰਿ ਹੋਵਹਿ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥ नील वसत्र पहिरि होवहि परवाणु ॥ Nīl vasṯar pahir hovėh parvāṇ. Wearing blue robes, they seek the approval of the Muslim rulers. ਮਲੇਛ ਧਾਨੁ ਲੇ ਪੂਜਹਿ ਪੁਰਾਣੁ ॥ मलेछ धानु ले पूजहि पुराणु ॥ Malecẖẖ ḏẖān le pūjėh purāṇ. Accepting bread from the Muslim rulers, they still worship the Puraanas. ਅਭਾਖਿਆ ਕਾ ਕੁਠਾ ਬਕਰਾ ਖਾਣਾ ॥ अभाखिआ का कुठा बकरा खाणा ॥ Abẖākẖi▫ā kā kuṯẖā bakrā kẖāṇā. They eat the meat of the goats, killed after the Muslim prayers are read over them, ਚਉਕੇ ਉਪਰਿ ਕਿਸੈ ਨ ਜਾਣਾ ॥ चउके उपरि किसै न जाणा ॥ Cẖa▫uke upar kisai na jāṇā. but they do not allow anyone else to enter their kitchen areas. ਦੇ ਕੈ ਚਉਕਾ ਕਢੀ ਕਾਰ ॥ दे कै चउका कढी कार ॥ Ḏe kai cẖa▫ukā kadẖī kār. They draw lines around them, plastering the ground with cow-dung. ਉਪਰਿ ਆਇ ਬੈਠੇ ਕੂੜਿਆਰ ॥ उपरि आइ बैठे कूड़िआर ॥ Upar ā▫e baiṯẖe kūṛi▫ār. The false come and sit within them. ਮਤੁ ਭਿਟੈ ਵੇ ਮਤੁ ਭਿਟੈ ॥ मतु भिटै वे मतु भिटै ॥ Maṯ bẖitai ve maṯ bẖitai. They cry out, "Do not touch our food, ਇਹੁ ਅੰਨੁ ਅਸਾਡਾ ਫਿਟੈ ॥ इहु अंनु असाडा फिटै ॥ Ih ann asādā fitai. this food of ours will be polluted! ਤਨਿ ਫਿਟੈ ਫੇੜ ਕਰੇਨਿ ॥ तनि फिटै फेड़ करेनि ॥ Ŧan fitai feṛ karen. But with their polluted bodies, they commit evil deeds. ਮਨਿ ਜੂਠੈ ਚੁਲੀ ਭਰੇਨਿ ॥ मनि जूठै चुली भरेनि ॥ Man jūṯẖai cẖulī bẖaren. With filthy minds, they try to cleanse their mouths. ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਚੁ ਧਿਆਈਐ ॥ कहु नानक सचु धिआईऐ ॥ Kaho Nānak sacẖ ḏẖi▫ā▫ī▫ai. Says Nanak, meditate on the True Lord. ਸੁਚਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਤਾ ਸਚੁ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੨॥ सुचि होवै ता सचु पाईऐ ॥२॥ Sucẖ hovai ṯā sacẖ pā▫ī▫ai. ||2|| People like Tohra , Longowal etc were amritdharis too , who threw their hands up in air when guru needed them and encouraged young sikhs to make shahadat while they sat on the sidelines, If you are pure, you will obtain the True Lord. ||2||
  7. beloved sister were the growers of grains all amritdhari too ? How about the porters, the hired cooks in most guruhars ..... where do we draw the line ? Understand that these overly strict maryadas were created by mere mortals who were no more free from their egos than you and I are. Other than making us feel Holier than thou what purpose does this venomous talk serve ?
  8. Typical responses proving our true blood punjabi lineage Never see any good in anything , only negatives "Sanjh kareejai guna keri , avgun chad chaliye" - we can all learn from people even who we hate the most and hold as very epitome of ignorance Imagine how nice would be the day you guys broke free of your ego and lived with "Bisar gayi sab taat parayi | Jab te sadh sangant mohe payi"
  9. Wealthy people who never care to help the needy are like a big tree which has a lot of fame but in reality no shade and inedible fruits. ਸਿੰਮਲ ਰà©à¨à© ਸਰਾà¨à¨°à¨¾ à¨à¨¤à¨¿ ਦà©à¨°à¨ à¨à¨¤à¨¿ ਮà©à¨à© ॥ सिमल रà¥à¤à¥ सराà¤à¤°à¤¾ à¤à¤¤à¤¿ दà¥à¤°à¤ à¤à¤¤à¤¿ मà¥à¤à¥ ॥ Simmal rukẠsarÄâ«irÄ aṯ á¸Ä«ragẠaṯ mucáº. The simmal tree is straight as an arrow; it is very tall, and very thick. à¨à¨ à¨à¨¿ à¨à¨µà¨¹à¨¿ à¨à¨¸ à¨à¨°à¨¿ à¨à¨¾à¨¹à¨¿ ਨਿਰਾਸ੠à¨à¨¿à¨¤à© ॥ à¤à¤ à¤à¤¿ à¤à¤µà¤¹à¤¿ à¤à¤¸ à¤à¤°à¤¿ à¤à¤¾à¤¹à¤¿ निरासॠà¤à¤¿à¤¤à¥ ॥ Oâ«e jÄ Ävahi Äs kar jÄhi nirÄse kiṯ. But those birds which visit it hopefully, depart disappointed. ਫਲ ਫਿà¨à© ਫà©à¨² ਬà¨à¨¬à¨à© à¨à©°à¨®à¨¿ ਨ à¨à¨µà¨¹à¨¿ ਪਤ ॥ फल फिà¤à¥ फà¥à¤² बà¤à¤¬à¤à¥ à¤à¤®à¤¿ न à¤à¤µà¤¹à¤¿ पत ॥ Fal fike ful bakbake kamm na Ävahi paṯ. Its fruits are tasteless, its flowers are nauseating, and its leaves are useless. ਮਿਠਤ੠ਨà©à¨µà© ਨਾਨà¨à¨¾ à¨à©à¨£ à¨à©°à¨à¨¿à¨à¨à¨ ਤਤ੠॥ मिठतॠनà¥à¤µà¥ नानà¤à¤¾ à¤à¥à¤£ à¤à¤à¤à¤¿à¤à¤à¤ ततॠ॥ Miṯáºaṯ nÄ«vÄ« nÄnkÄ guá¹ cáºangâ«Äâ«Ä«â«Ä ṯaṯ. Sweetness and humility, O Nanak, are the essence of virtue and goodness.
  10. This is one of the most profound post I have read on this forum , kudos to veer Jassa for taking the high road of none else but Guru Granth Sahib itself. Everyone , das di hath hor ke benti - before taking sides and allowing yourself to be filled with such venomous hate (very unspiritual act btw , no matter what opinion the other side holds) read SGGS cover to cover (making sure you understand both shabdarth and bhavartha) , without any presumptions and then read Dasam Granth cover to cover and now you are in a position to form an opinion. IF you have any problems understanding a certain part of Guru Granth Sahib daas is here to help. "Aklee par ke bujhiye Akli Keejay daan "
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  12. Why All The Hate ?

    Bro jacfsingh singhs of this jatha have been practising gurmat sangeet from 2 am to late morning for many years - they have taught many new students as well. (by the way this shabad is very apt for this thread- if only it can dawn upon you and other hateful hearts) Moreover they have been doing kirtan without making it into a profession (unlike our ragis , they put in so much hard work out of sheer love), and to make things more hard they didn't know any punjabi till the age of 18 Besides spreading venom on internet , what is your 'contribution' to sikhi, how many hours of sleep have you chosen to let go for your guru, have you taken the time to study guru granth sahib in depth I am not saying the above in a hateful , ego fight kind of a way , coz that would belittle my own spiritual progress, I want you to wake up and become nirvair to the marrow of your bones.
  13. Why All The Hate ?

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  14. Why All The Hate ?

    sabko meet ham apna keena hum sabna ke saajan || I am yet to hear more a more beautiful rendition of guru's bani - and they are these kirtanis are offspring of yogi sikhs , whole point of our beautiful spiritual path called Sikhi is to look beyond mind created petty hate (on this forum I have seen venom against radha swamis/missionaries/3ho etc) Remember how Guru Amardas treated Datu when he kicked guru sahib ? Or how Guru Tegh Bahadur reacted to DhirMal's followers making an attempt on his life ? Also when a person does something evil he is still doing it in hukam - Lekhai bolan bolna , lekhai khana khau If you agree, reply to this thread with Guru's fateh avowing that you will make a conscious effort to overcome ego fueled us vs them hate and spite .
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