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Take easy bro. Have a 'masala cha' on me. LOL! I always expected you to be 'saner' one here. But I guess I'm wrong. If you ask me, some of the characters here need to be in a straight jacket. At the very least, in need for urgent therapy. LOL!!! You and your gang are funny. You have more imagination then Walt Disney and Hollywood. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope. I only don't like you. LOL! I'm not going anywhere buddy until the Admins decide otherwise. I enjoy being a bee in your bonnet. LOL!!!!

And I have already explained it to you that division already exists. Our Gurdwaras do a far better job then any white man could ever do. Therefore this 'whitey' trying to get Sikhs riled up against Muslims is pure nonsense. Stop imagining stuff. Whites are not drinking goblets of wine, laughing and then planning our demise. We don't even register on their radar.

I'm well read on the forum rules. Nowhere does it state I must agree with you nor have I insulted anybody.

Re read carefully what I wrote. You obviously suffer from reading comprehension and I'm not going to waste my time here. Maybe you should take up 'hooked on phonics'. LOL! You want to stroke your puny ego and call me a liar? I couldn't care less. Go ahead. Does the forum belong to you? You have a huge chip on your shoulder. For someone who hangs out a religious forum, you like many here are suffering from an over inflated ego.

Yes, but what can half a million people do? Please tell me in clear language how are the Sikhs going to be used as pawns? Ill feelings towards Muslims? They were already like that before any British set foot in India. The various posters in the Gurdwara does a far better job then any white man could ever do. I think many here are suffering from illusions (delusions is better...ha ha) of grandeur.

Look, you're obviously looking for an argument and I really don't have time for that. Yes, yes....I'm some secret RSS guy. Wait! Actually I'm a Missionary! Or maybe a combo of both? I don't know man. You better get used to the idea that not everybody is going to agree with you. And you can't convince others by fighting with them. It's not going to work.

I'm warning you. If this continues, I'm going to be reporting you to the moderator. You're already on a short lease.

From Sikhwiki Recently, he was excommunicated from panth for not reciprocating his tankha. In addition, he and all other's who were "excommunicated" from the panth were called back to be given pardon, he denied, saying that going would give the jathedar's the pleasure of assuming that he agrees with their excommunication; namely, him not attending Akal Takhat to reciprocate his tankha. He said that there was evidence of him going there and this was merely a way to dis-character him. http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Professor_Darshan_Singh_Khalsa

Perhaps however, he was a former Jathedar so I very much doubt his knowledge on Sikhism is questionable.

I read that and I'm not convinced our Guruji Maharaj wrote that. From what I've read elsewhere one of the vocal Anti Dasam crowd is Professor Darshan Singh who is a former Jathedar of Akal Takth. I very much doubt he of all people are ignorant on Sikhism.

How would Sikhs be used as pawns when Sikhs are barely a million in the UK? Based on the following website, Sikhs barely number half a million. http://www.oxfordsikhs.com/SikhAwareness/Sikh-Population-Around-The-World_159.aspx

JKV, I forgot to add, they are also questioning the authenticity of it.

From what I have read, this is the part where there is the bone of contention.

How about the accounts from the Panj Pyare themselves?

Wow!

I was referring to the OP. Don't get your 'gothe' in a twist just yet. LOL!

There were thousand of Sikhs there yet no corroborating story from a single Sikh that matches what this Mughal witnessed? Come on dude. This is where common sense kicks in.

Well said brother. I was once a rat in the rat race, not anymore. I don't care anymore. Life's short, you never know when you're going to kick the bucket. It's this Punjabi mind set of constantly competing with each other and parents trying to live out the life they didn't have via their children. It's so sickening. People are so materialistic these days. Parents program the kids from a young age to compete with the 'Joneses' or in our case the Dhaliwals and the Gills, so much so by the time the kid is an adult, he/she is now fully programmed. I remember how unhappy I was for the past 20 years. I was never satisfied. I know something was wrong with me but I couldn't 'deprogram' myself. It was only after I had wholeheartedly submitted at the feet of Guruji Maharaj that I finally had some peace of mind. These days I take life easy. My dream is to be a truck driver in N. America. That way I can earn a living and yet see the whole country. I agree with the gist of your post however I would like to add. Most people who are in the rat race are programmed that way. It's not that they disagree with you, it's just that their minds are programmed that way. No amount of words of wisdom can deprogram the mind. From my experience, it's only through our religion one can deprogram their minds. Once you fall at the feet at the feet of our Guru, the mind has only 2 options, either accepts Guruji's teachings or keep chasing that shadow.

I'm really tired of arguing with you. You are a broken tape recorder. No amount of information can fix you. You're a 'one trick' pony. The Americans have a good adage to describe the likes of you and here is how it goes, "You can't fix stupid". Here is another, "Stupid is as stupid does".

Hello Low IQ Pendu, Wikipedia by itself is not a source. It is irrelevant who they quote as the information can be edited by anybody. I stand corrected. Please stop making a fool out of yourself. You are clearly not educated beyond high school. Even that, I have my doubts. From wiki itself Wikipedia is not considered a credible source. Wikipedia is increasingly used by people in the academic community, from freshman students to professors, as an easily accessibletertiary source for information about anything and everything. However, citation of Wikipedia in research papers may be considered unacceptable, because Wikipedia is not considered a credible or authoritative source.[1][2][3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academic_use From Harvard What's Wrong with Wikipedia? < PREVIOUS | NEXT > There's nothing more convenient than Wikipedia if you're looking for some quick information, and when the stakes are low (you need a piece of information to settle a bet with your roommate, or you want to get a basic sense of what something means before starting more in-depth research), you may get what you need from Wikipedia. In fact, some instructors may advise their students to read entries for scientific concepts on Wikipedia as a way to begin understanding those concepts. Nevertheless, when you're doing academic research, you should be extremely cautious about using Wikipedia. As its own disclaimer states, information on Wikipedia is contributed by anyone who wants to post material, and the expertise of the posters is not taken into consideration. Users may be reading information that is outdated or that has been posted by someone who is not an expert in the field or by someone who wishes to provide misinformation. (Case in point: Four years ago, an Expos student who was writing a paper about the limitations of Wikipedia posted a fictional entry for himself, stating that he was the mayor of a small town in China. Four years later, if you type in his name, or if you do a subject search on Wikipedia for mayors of towns in China, you will still find this fictional entry.) Some information on Wikipedia may well be accurate, but because experts do not review the site's entries, there is a considerable risk in relying on this source for your essays. http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k70847&pageid=icb.page346376

I thought by looting everybody meant resources. Now I understand that they're alluding to artifacts. How did artifacts create wealth for the average Indian when it was never in their hands to begin with? Even if it was in their hands, how much would it be wroth when shared out? A couple of pennies each? What ever they British looted it was from the ruling class. The average Indian did not have that kind of wealth to begin with. To say that what the British took from the ruling class in India created their poverty is utter nonsense. It's like saying by the British taking the Koo Hi Noor from the Sikhs, the Sikhs became poor. This is how stupid and crazy it is. Yes. Red Riding Hood was one day walking in the forest and she stumbled upon a combustion engine. LOL!

I can't believe you're quoting WIKIPEDIA and calling me ignorant. Dear Johnny, Wikipedia is not a 'source'. It is not considered a source because anybody buffoon can write anything there. You can go there and write Sikhs are from Mars. Anybody can even go there and edit those articles. Do you know I can go into the part where you quoted and edit it? Wikipedia is not accepted anywhere as a source. You can't submit a University paper and quote Wikipedia. Not as a 'primary source' anyway. 600 trillion looted? Why not go for gold and 6 Zillion or even infinity? What is a source? A source is where someone has done genuine research and that research is usually peer reviewed. It is usually done by historians submitting a thesis paper or writing a book and it is usually peer reviewed, much like scientific journals. To understand what I mean by a source, go buy any history book and you'll see at the table of contents or bibliography where the writer quotes his source. By the way, GDP is not a measure of wealth. It is merely the output created by a nation. India today has far higher GDP then smaller countries like Finland or Singapore. Yet, Singaporeans and Finnish people have a far higher standard of living then the average Indian so much so, they are not even comparable anymore. Your entire premise that GDP equates wealth for the individual in a nation is false. You need to educate yourself on what constitutes wealth of the individual in a nation means. As for the rest of your nonsense, it is complete utter bollocks. There are millions of books written of the everyday life of the average Indian. They were not living in the lap of luxury. The average Indian was poor. I won't even go to how the low caste lived. Indian society was a stratified society. If you were a leader or in royalty, your life was set. The others who had it ok were the priests and merchants. The rest lived very poor lives. Every single book or history mentions Indians as being poor. I have never read a single book depicting the average Indian as being rich. They were all poor. That is how langar in the Gurdwaras first started, to cater to the massive number of poor people who didn't have food on their table. If not for poor people, Sikhism would have died at it's infancy as they were the biggest number of converts.You are seriously deluding yourself on Indians being rich. The religious persecution from the Muslims was tied with economics. Learn how things work. It is used as a means to attack and forfeit ones land and wealth against those who fought back. Stop being a Low IQ Pendu. Learn to think instead of regurgitating the same lies and nonsense you heard from your close circle of Low IQ Pendu friends.

I'm talking about resources such as oil, tin, rubber....stuff the Whites created. When the Sikh empire extended up to Kabul, did they never loot anything? No? How did the Koo Hi Noor end up in Maharaja Ranjit Singh's possession? Did the Hindu Rajas and Muslim Sultans who frequently invaded each others territories not loot from each other? They were such perfect angels? Invading and looting each other was the standard back in the day. Every power did that. If you want to judge the British, you must judge based on the standards practiced by all powers back in the day and not today's standards. This is what I mean by crazy, delusional, one track mind set. Unable to rationalize. Unable to have a balanced view of the world.

LOL! Where are you getting these numbers from? There was no Wall Street or any entity recording GDP back in the day. India was not an exporting country either. Did they even know what was GDP back then? LOL! Please cite your source. As for India being rich, where are you getting your fairy tales from? Even Indian history books mentions poverty. The general population were so poor and oppressed. Hinduism was so corrupt. Low caste treated so badly. That is why the Bhakti movement started which finally culminated in the creation of Sikhism. The Muslim invaders whose numbers were far smaller then Hindus were easily able to defeat the Hindus.That is because low caste Hindus and Buddhists joined the invaders and helped them win. Ghazni's top general was a Buddhists! The Buddhists were so enraged with the Hindus destroying Buddhism in India that they actually assisted the Muslims to invade and destroy the Hindus. If people were living in a 'lap of luxury' prior to British arrival, why did we Sikhs fight the Muslims and Hindus for our own homeland? You entire post is complete, utter, bollocks. Please tell me, what did they 'steal' from India other then artifacts? The British just like the Muslims, were able to easily defeat the Indians because the Indians never had any unity. If they were all living in the type of wealth as per your fairy tales, they would have put up a united front against the British, like how the Chinese did. I think the only time Indians lived good was when Buddhists were in power. Before and after that it was all downhill. You are the perfect example of the crazy, wacko, delusional mind set that I mentioned in my earlier post. So out of touch with reality, so delusional.