Kira

9 hours ago, Bhagat Singh said:

 

It is the same reason why Guru Nanak Dev ji selected Bhai Lehna ji as the next Guru. (Bhai Lehna ji was also a Guru prior to his meeting with Guru ji.)

 

Please provide the historical text stating this. 

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Their conflict was strong enough to the point where some of them abandoned Banda Singh ji, at a critical point, which then lead to his martyrdom.
 

Except he did say he was the Guru, That's why a hukamnama from Mata Sundri Ji was issued telling Sikhs not to follow him, that's why Sikhs started leaving him in the droves, its why he lost control of his Spiritual powers too as Mata Ji cursed him . No-ones calls him a villain, nor was he one. Ego is a terrible foe, but Baba Ji eventually overcame it and died a true Sikh of Guru Sahib.

17 hours ago, Mahakaal96 said:

Bedi, Trehan, Bhalla & Sodhi are all descended from Raghu lineage, which is from Ishvaku lineage & links back to Surya lineage.

1 hour ago, Mahakaal96 said:

Not true.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji was Bedi lineage

Guru Angad Dev Ji was bhalla lineage

Guru Amar Das Ji was trehan lineage

Guru Ram Das Ji to Guru Gobind Singh Ji were Sodhi lineage

Read bachitter natak, it covers how long the gurgaddi would stay in the bedi lineage & the Sodhi lineage.... once you get a grasp of that you realise the sons of Guru Nanak were never meant to get gurgaddi..... so people who say Baba Sri Chand & Baba Lakmi Chand ‘failed’ as the sons of Guru Nanak don’t know what they are talking about!

I was under the impression that Bhalla/Trehan lineages also relate back to Bedi Clan as well and thus technically they were one giant lineage (extensions of the Bedi Clan) as they date back to the same forefather, or am I getting confused here? 

5 hours ago, BhForce said:

Are you sure about that, bro?

I don't know why you had to bring up lineage to denigrate the Abrahamics. Dasam Patshah has already denigrated them (and the "Hindus") by stating that they fall short of the 100% truth of Satguru Nanak ji (which I agree with, of course). By bringing up lineage, you are forcing me to compare Satguru to a bunch of imperfect prophets, which I don't really want to do, but here goes:

Did not the entire line of Gurus from Guru Ram Dass ji to Guru Gobind Singh ji receive Guruship based on lineage? Is it not specifically mentioned that someone in the lineage of some Sodhi king will become the Guru in Kalyug (reference to Guru Nanak Dev ji)? Bedis/Sodhis, it's all based on lineage to Ram Chander ji, in the "lineage" of the Sun.

I think it's a losing proposition to denigrate the Abrahamic prophets based on lineage. Suffice it to say they were short of the truth.

There won't be specific citations because Guru Gobind Singh ji did not write a 12-volume history of the Abrahamics, a la Arnold Toynbee. Guru Sahib just wrote a short composition that glances over the history of God sending individuals to preach the truth, and them failing.

You're being entirely too literal in taking the line that says God made Mohammed a king, and saying "See! It just says God made Mohammed a king. It doesn't say God made him a saint." I'm not even saying he was a saint. Merely that he was sent by God to preach the truth. 

And you can see that in the context of that section of Bachittar Natak, because that's how Guru Sahib brackets the mentions of the specific prophets/avatars/etc. It clearly shows how God is sending/instructing one prophet/avatar/whatever to preach the truth, and they fail.

Agreed that there's no mention (directly) of this in Guru Granth Sahib, but why does that matter? Not everything not mentioned in Gurbani is false. It doesn't even matter, though, if it's false or not, the point is simply that even if he did have some level of enlightenment, it wasn't 100% enlightenment, and he (like the others) made a mess of things.

By the way, I'm sure you're familiar with the fact that I'm one of the biggest anti-jihadis on this website, so I think you should know I'm in no way trying to big up the Prophet Mohammed.

I'd like to direct you to Sri Kalgidhar Chamatkar. A short summary of this incident involving various past prophets is described there. 

Before Guru Ji came to earth, he was still meditating on Hemkunt Parbat and while he was meditating there, there were also other people doing similar penances. But they all considered Guru Ji their superior (or elder/Principle) due to the fact that Guru Ji had attained Waheguru and met with him. 

Anyways the other beings doing Tapisya all had their Gurus and all of their teachers came to them in their visions and told them about Guru Ji and why Guru Ji was going to earth and not to stop him in any way. These beings included Krishna, Buddha, Muhammad, Shiva. Most of the Tapisyees there were cautious about going to earth in the first place as they could see how it would trap anyone. 

Sant Harnam Singh Ji also had a vision with Jesus (along with others) coming to visit him and telling him how he wished his followers would adopt the path of Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

10 minutes ago, TejS said:

Guru Nanak Devi Ji contemplated and searched for the truth and eventually he found God. The Gurgaddi was then passed on to individuals that were deemed worthy, and this is evident in Guru Nanak Dev Ji passing over the Gurgaddi to someone who was not related to him by blood, Guru Angad Dev Ji, rather than his own negligent sons. This demonstrates that there was no monopoly on the Truth by a single bloodline. There was a certain circumstance that led for the Gurgaddi to stay within the family of Guru Amar Das Ji, and that was Bibi Bhani's request in return for her seva, whereby she was granted her wish for the Gurgaddi to continue on throughout the Sodhi family - her in-laws and the line of Guru Ram Das Ji. But I guess you already knew this, so I'm surprised you would equate this with the familial covenant that God chose on Abraham as if they were his "chosen people".

Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Bhai Lehna Ji were from the same family tree (the Bedis) so were blood related biologically, In Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Guru Ji mentions how the Gaddhi would always stay in these families (Sodhis and Bedis).

8 hours ago, Bhagat Singh said:

You gotta stop getting your facts from potatoes.

My mistake as I got 2 events mixed up. He thought she was in love with Ravan, he even got very angry over this fact and as a result Sita then merges with the earth and leaves. My facts aren't from Potatoes, they come from Sri Dasam Granth, You're free to go and read it, its apparent you've not and want to rely on more tampered sources for information about the past avtars. Sita Ji was exiled, this is fact as Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji write this in Dasam Granth. 

Exiling someone due to gossip ISN'T Dharma. What People say is inconsequential to what is right, if people decided on a whole that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was heretical to their views and wanted to burn the Saroop, I guess by your logic you'd allow it as it would preserve the greater good's peace?

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Dude vegetables are not a good source of facts.

I think the only one getting any information from Vegetables is you. Krishna Ji won through trickery, in a direct face of combat of strength he lost. Spoiler alert he lost, and he lost badly at that., it was only due to the fact Brahma appeared and with Indra they played a trick to reduce Kharag Singh's power by forcing him to perform his dharma and serve a brahmin and then give over his power to Krishna, alone Krishna wasn't enough so a joint effort of Krishna, Apsara and Brahma were required to kill Kharag Singh. No shame in that as if someone can't beat someone else in raw power then deploy tricks and work with other people. 

The only reason Krishna won was due to the presence of others, alone he wasn't enough as Kharag Singh destroyed him in combat face to face.

8 hours ago, Bhagat Singh said:

When you take the stories of every being, every human on earth and you extract from that the Essence of all the stories, that is Ramayan, that is story of Akal Purakh Sahib.
 

That does not mean that the person who was doing everything is akin to a Sargun Saroop of Sri Waheguru Ji. I respect Valmiki Ji, I think he was a highly elevated soul, far above me. But as Sri Satguru Ji points out, he was also wrong in referring to Ram Chandar as God in any shape or form. A Portion of Akaal Purkh rests in us all, but that portion isn't the full divinity of Waheguru. Similar principle to the past yug's Avtars. 

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You will see that the stories are referring to the various states and activities of our mind.

Yes, that is one way of looking at it. But as a physical occurrence. No, that doesn't put any of the avtars in the same league as Sri Satguru Nanak Dev Ji. Satguru Ji is Akaal Purkh's Sargun form. Ram Chandar, Krishna are not. You can find this thought echoed by Mahapurkhs who have studied all the ancient texts and also studied Gurbani. 

I can draw conclusions from the Harry Potter books as well, but that doesn't mean that Harry Potter is suddenly Akaal Purkh Sahib. Your principles can be applied to anything, the hero of any story can now suddenly equal a Sargun form of God. What you've done is fall into the same trap that everyone from the past fell into, they started worshipping the servants rather than the boss.

5 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:

I would also make hardiwar the captial of india

Hindu Brahamin. Disgusting. 

What I would do if I was in charge of India? well the first thing I'd do is.....

1) Make Japanese the national language

2) Change the name India to Weeb World

3) rename all the states to various animes. Punjab will become "Naruto-World" Harayana will become "Bleach-verse" and so on.

4) make being a hipster illegal.

5) make sure all 52 genders are recognised.

6) make it illegal to call other people "uncle" or "auntie" . Man, that stuff is confusing as hell.

7) make Pot Noodles the national food.

8 ) change the national anthem to this...

more changes to come.

@BhagatSingh

3 hours ago, Bhagat Singh said:

Well Akal Purakh sahib exists so the avtaars also exist. They have no existence that is separate from Akal Purakh sahib, since they are characters of Akal Purakh sahib and their stories are stories of Akal Purakh sahib.

Now when we say they are stories. We don't mean stories in the regular sense of the word story.

1.  These stories are Divine Narratives, because they convey to us the nature of Akal Purakh sahib.

And

2. These stories directly connect us to Akal Purakh sahib. To listen to the stories is Bhagti because you will feel emotional connection to Akal Purakh sahib through them.

 

In their stories Ram Chander threw Sita out after he thought she was in love with Ravan, A Sargun Saroop of Akaal Purkh sent from Sach Khand wouldn't do that, Krishna Ji lost to Kharag Singh and even Brahma came to him and said that if he was to assume his true form of Vishnu then it too wouldn't be enough, more indications he was just another spiritual personality.  If their stories are that of Akaal Purkh then so is every single being that comes into existence, their entire life story is that of Akaal Purkh as well. Their stories are about deeds and valour/misdeeds as well in some cases, but to compare them to a Sargun Saroop of Akaal Purkh that in itself is your own ignorance. 

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So about Krishan ji -

Krishan ji is referring to the Jyoti nature of Akal Purakh Sahib, what in English we would call Consciousness.

This is why Guru Nanak Dev ji says in Asa Di Waar -

The One Krishna is the God of Gods and the God of Consciousness; The Inner Consciousness of a Being, is Krishna, if anyone recognizes this secret. (meaning work towards recognizing this secret in yourself)

The Bhatts (below) say that it is that Jyoti nature of Akal Purakh sahib that has come down as Vaman ji, Ram ji, Krishan ji, and then as Guru Nanak Dev ji.

 

I think once again you're jumping to conclusions and drawing out stuff that you want, not what's there. Nothing personal but I've read your stuff on SA, I know full well you use the same few verses to peddle your narrative. But Krishna Ji isn't the Jyot Nature of Akaal Purkh at all. He never was, he was an Avtar of Vishnu sent to take care of the growing Paap on the world, In Chaubis Avtar Guru Gobind Singh Ji describes how Akaal Purkh took a form to give Darshan to the Devtas and then called Vishnu over and ordered him to go and take Krishna roop to solve the issue. The Avtars came from the realm of Vishnu (this place is another plane of existence but not Sach Khand) while Guru Nanak Dev Ji came directly from Sach Khand.

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I respect your opinion however this is wrong from the perspective of Gurmati.

No, you're prospective is wrong from Gurmat, Sri Dasam Granth says it's wrong and so does Guru Gobind Singh Ji. You seem to labour under the delusion that all the Avtar from the Past are the same origin but Gurmat has always pointed out that they were not. The 33 Swaiyae even rip into Krishna as a character and point out flaws in his nature and character. I dare you to find a tukh in Gurbani which does the same for Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Any previous incarnation of Guru Nanak Dev Ji would never have been referred to in such a way.

That verse as a whole is from different prospective. In Akaal Ustat Guru Ji does the same thing, he says that God is also demons, bees, politics, flowers etc. ALL can be considered the same coming from the same origin, in that state everything is the same, every single thing can have the same connotation that you are implying, a chair could be called an avtar of Waheguru. The Point of the verse was to show that God's Power was at work through the Avtars and that power was the one doing it all, Uggardanti Bani is amazing in explaining this.

The tukhs ਮਾਣਿਓ  and ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੁ  are integral here and it's clear you're overlooking it and just reading the translations.

37 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said:

I kinda already did but I'll go in more detail.

So we know, Akal Purakh sahib means Timeless Being.

He is a multi-faceted Being, a multi-dimensional Being, operating in and as all levels of reality.

Since Akal Purakh sahib is so vast and is operating in and as all layers of reality, Saints from various backgrounds saw him in different ways and called him by different names.

If you read Gita or Bhagwad Puran, the Saints there called him Krishna, Hari Rai, Murari, Gobind, Gopal, Narayan, Vishnu, Ram, etc.

When Guru sahibs are speaking these names Krishna, Hari Rai, Murari, Gobind, Gopal, Narayan, Vishnu, Ram, etc., they are referring to Akal Purakh sahib only.

So we must understand that Krishna, Hari Rai, Murari, Gobind, Gopal, Narayan, Vishnu, Ram, etc. these are not separate beings or material bodies or mortal men or angels or anything like that.

They are referring to the One Primal Being, Akal Purakh sahib, and nothing else. They have no other existence apart from being the descriptors and characters of Akal Purakh sahib.

The old stories of Krishan ji, may seem insignificant to many here. Some would even say that they are make-believe fairy tales.

But when you read these stories with this distinction in mind, that this is a characteristic representation of Akal Purakh sahib, then you will see you will see the deeper meanings present therein.

You will see that the stories are referring to the various states and activities of our mind.

And then when you make that connection between the stories and your mind, you will then separate the wheat from the chaff and obtain real gyan from the stories.

The Stories of Chaubis Avtar are history regarding the deeds of various Purkhs from time. They're not metaphors as you're implying. They give darshan and live, breath and die like the rest of us. Albeit their life lines are aeons longer than the average humans. 

Sure there are internal lessons to learn, but the external shouldn't be ignored. Krishna the deity isn't Akaal Purkh Waheguru Ji manifest as Guru Nanak Dev Ji was, and will never be so. 

8 hours ago, BhagatSingh said:

What are you defining as Akal Purakh?

What do you define as Akaal Purkh?

55 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said:

 

It's not a double meaning. The names, characters and images of - Hari Rai, Murari, Krishna - and those names unique to Sikh tradition - Waheguru - are all referring to Akal Purakh sahib.

Calling someone Waheguru doesn't make them Waheguru. As Dasam Granth explains Krishna was an avtar of Lord Vishnu, he wasn't an avtar of Akaal Purkh, the same thing is said by Bhai Gurdas Ji and every traditional school of thought within Sikhi. 

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Read the parts of the Gita where Krishan ji reveals himself to Arjun after Arjun learns to see who he is (by shedding his desire for material things).

 That Vishal Swaroop that you see in Indian TV serials, that is an attempt to portray that multi-faceted Being, that multi-dimensional Being, that is composed of all the Gods of all religions.

That composite of all the Gods, radiating light and heat like a thousand suns, that is Krishna, that is Akal Purakh sahib.

I've read that part. Making a form like that isn't a big deal for any avtar, compared to Krishna, Arjuna wasn't spiritually elevated at all, to an ant even a human would be immeasurable. Avtars can make themselves into anything they wish, any density they wanted to take. Lord Vishnu did the same thing when he slayed Madhu Kitabh. 

15 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

As I said previously kalki is  a vishnu avatar . 

Guru Gobind Singh ji (or perhaps the poets among the 52 in gurus darbar) have mentioned the avatars of vishnu and of shiva in dasam granth under the sections "chaubis avatar" and "rudra avatar" respectively.

Ofcourse, one can say Guru ji reprhased Ramayan and Mahabharat , but it is not guru ji's original content. I believe he merely translated from sanskrit to brij so that people can read easily and don't have to depend on bahmans ! 

Have you ever read the Dasam Granth? not flicked through it but read it? the amount of symbolism and linguistics go beyond the scope of an ordinary person, no it wasn't just for the ordinary person, nor was it meant solely for academics. If it was then Guru Gobind Singh Ji (and yes Dasam Granth is totally his work, this has been proven by multiple verified academics of the years) just re-translating , he wouldn't have excluded 90% of Markandaye Purana, changed entire portions of the Chaubis Avtar and then also added Brahma Avtar, along with new points about the Devtas going to Akaal Purkh for help, if you want "re-translations" then read Suraj Prakash Granth, some portions are re-translations of Sau Sakhi and follow it word for word. 

If you actually knew history (and going by your posts im sure you know quite a substantial amount) then you'd know Guru Ji already sent a select number of Sikhs to Banaras to learn Sanskrit and also learn all the Hindu texts. They were already educating the populous on the Vedic texts. Guru Ji had no need to do any more as he was already doing what was needed. That school (the Nirmalas) are still around and doing exactly what they were told to do. 

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Any content of this sections is purely a replica of the original sanskrit scriptures and should therefore not be seen as guru ji's own viewpoint. For instance , when in Krishna avatar, Krishna is referred with honorific names akin to god, it is Ved vyasa's view who originally compiled Mahabharat , not of Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji maharaj. 

more nonsense. The names "Har-Rai", "Murari" etc were all names given to Krishna but they have a double meaning that function as names of Waheguru Ji. Using different names for the same person is a sign of great penmenship, it is hardly proof that these were Vyasa Ji's views. If you bother reading all of the Chaubis Avtar,  you'd know that.

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The kind of responses on this post is evident of the fact of our degeneracy . 

Our guru gave us kirpan and qalam to fight oppression , and we like our brahmin masters are waiting for vishnu to save us, the same vishnu who has not been praised in SGGS , the only indian scripture who worships parbrahm directly without the brahma/vishnu/mahesh mess and the lone scripture who got status of a guru .

We should be ashamed. 

No-ones waiting for Vishnu to save us. What a load of nonsense, we've pointed out that Kalyug will end at the hands of Kalki and no other because that's the task that Akaal Purkh gave him.  

3 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

but the 14,000 year khalsa raj will do what then ? absolutely nothing that seems ridiculous , if we all agree Guru Nanak Dev ji is Kalyug da Jagat Guru . Nehkalank avatar is different from Kalki?

The end of Kalyug will come at the hands of Kalki as Guru Gobind Singh Ji wrote in Dasam Granth. We're not even half way through Kalyug, 432,000 is the number of years in Kalyug. 14,000 years within that is next to nothing. 

On 5/23/2018 at 6:08 PM, MisterrSingh said:

Anyone wondering if the Kalki avtaar -- who the Dharmic faiths consider to be their "good guy" -- might be the Anti-Christ in accordance with the beliefs of Abrahamic religions, lmao?  That would certainly be an amazing plot twist. 

I'v not read the full Kalki Avtar section of Dasam Granth but on a whole, no. I don't think he'd have beef with anyone who's a good person, only the wicked ones would suffer his wrath.

Kalki is meant to protect good people, in this instance there's a Brahmin (God orientated man) who worships Devi, he's a Pious man but his wife riles the King against him and they drag him to a temple of Devi and try to get him to renounce his faith, he refuses and as they're about to kill him, Kalki appears and saves him. 

3 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

Guru Pita ji never held him as our saviour or even hinted that we should even pay attention to that . It is strange that the Jews, Christians, Muslims and Brahmins all claim a saviour will come on a WHITE HORSE ...especially since they are all at each others throats normally . I chose to think of it this way if sikhs became khalsa  then there will be no need for a saviour because the idea of Heaven on Earth will come to fruition , halemi raj with everyone maintaining a focus on dharam simran

He wrote an entire section about him, Yes it is something everyone, including us, should pay attention to.  Like it or not but Kalyug will be ended by Kalki and no one else. That's his seva given to him by Waheguru. 

On 5/21/2018 at 9:59 PM, MisterrSingh said:

 

 

We're not even half way there my friend. There's about a good more badness to come. 

8 hours ago, Prokharkoo84 said:

saliyah stick to bending over for your moneh suleh boyfriends... stay away from all sikh/punjabi girls that arent your mum or sisters. your a sick twisted bender who sadly in the roop of our guru is out to tarnish the reputation of singhs by first bending over for suleh and then ruining the future mothers of new sikhs.

I mean what if he's the guy on top. Then he'll be the one bending the Sulleh over. Did you consider that part? I think not. Checkmate bigots.

1 hour ago, Singh123456777 said:

Do you even have any shastars?

no but Shasters are Guru Ji's blessing so i too am intrigued by this thread.

6 hours ago, BhForce said:

I agree that she made a big show and all, but why target her out for special condemnation? That's what every celebrity does during their Darbar Sahib visits.

I know that people think she dresses like a prostitute, but even if she actually were a prostitute instead of merely dressing like one, so what? I think in her mind she's the bride of God, so she dresses like it.

Gurbani records that prostitutes (Ganika, Pingula) also were saved.

ਜਉ ਪੈ ਹਮ ਨ ਪਾਪ ਕਰੰਤਾ ਅਹੇ ਅਨੰਤਾ ॥

If I did not commit any sins, O Infinite Lord,

ਪਤਿਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਨਾਮੁ ਕੈਸੇ ਹੁੰਤਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

How would You have acquired the name, 'Redeemer of sinners'? ||1||Pause||

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ (ਭ. ਰਵਿਦਾਸ) (੧) ੧:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੩ ਪੰ. ੧੬ 
Sri Raag Bhagat Ravidas

 

ਗਈ ਬੈਕੁੰਠਿ ਬਿਬਾਣਿ ਚੜ੍ਹਿ ਨਾਉ ਨਰਾਇਣੁ ਛੋਤਿ ਅਛੋਤਾ।

Due to the elixir of name (of the Lord) she (Ganika) became totally devoid of sins and was lifted to the heavens.

ਥਾਉ ਨਿਥਾਵੇ ਮਾਣੁ ਮਣੋਤਾ ॥੨੧॥

The name (of the Lord) is the last refuge of the shelterless ones.

ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧੦ ਪਉੜੀ ੨੧ ਪੰ. ੯

 

I do agree that the SGPC is entirely too obsequious towards celebrities, and falls over itself to extend special treatment to them over the regular sangat. Isn't the main point of Harimander Sahib that we're all equal?

That said, I'm uncomfortable about special opprobrium directed toward Radhae Maa.

Bro, all celebrities are the same in this respect. I've seen a documentary about her, in-fact during the time she was making the big splash in the news I was following it closely as it was interesting and intriguing. Anyone's redeemable but in her case she's made quite a following based entirely off the backs of gullible people, that really isn't good for her or the people. 

from what I've heard she's hailed as the incarnation of Durga,  but from the way she appears and dresses (as well as the footage of her dancing in a casino) this really isn't the case imo. Her dress sense is exactly like the typical moortis of various Matas in India, I don't think she dresses like a prostitute based on that. I think she's purposely using that as a means to rise up and confuse the masses. 

13 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

Brother singhunit,

howsoever ridiculous this Radhe Maa appear  to be,  but by donating, she has made a good karam for herself. Nature does not limit anyone to commit karmas, it is totally up to us,  to do good or bad.

And karmas are the same for all, be it any creature from any  color, caste or creed.

I do not agree with your comment that our people being so stupid, rather I would say, they are most helpful, humble, noble,  and with a  big good heart, all these virtues bestowed on us as blessings, by our Guru Sahiban;  for anybody who follows sikhee, gets imbued with these virtues whether deeply or lightly, according to each one´s sharda and purity of mind, but definitely impregnated with them.

Stay blessed.

Sat Sree Akal.

What's the point of doing these things if the person has impure intentions? She came with an army of subordinates, she was given preferential treatment and she's dressed like she's a newly wed bride. 

The intent is just as important as the action, and its pretty clear her intent was browny points.

1 hour ago, BhForce said:

Best to stick to SGPC gutkas. I'd not buy a gutka from a miscellaneous publisher who just throws together a gukta to sell it and make some money.

even they have some errors within them as well. The whole situation is rather bleak. 

2 minutes ago, BhForce said:

Well, you're right that the state of Dasam bani authenticity in apps/Internet is atrocious, but that's true even in printed Gutkas.

I've noticed they seem to add bindis everywhere, not sure if the original manuscripts had all of them where they have been placed but the Gutka situation isn't unique only to Dasam Bani, its true for all bani. I've seen Sukhmani Sahib Gutkas where they've misprinted the 7th Astphadi due to Sadh and Sadhu being too similar or something.  

14 minutes ago, superdupersingh said:

Doesn't anyone else see the dangers of digitalisation of gurbani?

it can be very easily altered and difficult to spot unlike the physical form. 

Our enemies are destroying the physical forms of gurbani which are authentic whilst we are trying to combat this by putting it into a virtual format.

Its completely possible that this is their agenda. I think we should be collecting and preserving gurbani in the  original form since this new digital trend has major future pitfalls which i have mentioned: the easy and widespread corruption and distortion of gurbani which our enemies will no doubt be doing after they have done what they can on the physical side. Also the digital versions are completely dependent on electricity/internet/computers and who knows what will happen in the future.

This isn't an ethical argument about gurbani being digitalised but on what is likely to happen based on how our enemies operate. We are playing into their hands. 

That's why we need to find and secure all saroops of Gurbani where-ever they are. Even if the Saroops are kept gupt (and imo a certain amount should be for security reasons) it would be immensely important. I'll give you an example from Chandi di Vaar, there's 2 apps out there, during the part where it says "Indar jayhaa jodhaa maithou bhujiaa" one has maithou as being Meiou, which makes no sense. The app still hasn't been corrected and these differences are really detrimental to the panth as a whole, they breed confusion about a scripture many so called sikhs already do immense nindya of.

Just stop. While there is a spiritual meaning to Shaster Naam Mala, the physical aspect is that its praise of weapons, no point keeping weapons and never using them, that alone is an insult to them and by extension an insult to Guru Ji. 

1 hour ago, sitokaur said:

kira,

i disagree with Kirpan being insignificant as hindu janeu, because it is just impossible to make you understand if your thought is only on physical value of OUR GREAT KIRPAN, vs ACTUAL SPIRITUAL VALUE (KIRPAN IS LIVING, IS VAHIGUROO).

GURU GOBIND SINGH JIO KIRPA DYA REHM KAR JIO_/\_, so those who think as you and Gurjant Singh, understand you cannot ever be ready physically if you are not a Khalsa, as Brahmgyani Bhai Jeevan Singh Jio atey Gurbani Jio teaches, >BE A KHALSA<, then, your level of thinking will comprehend Vahiguroo's Hukam bethi Jio_/\_♡♡♡♡♡

I think you totally missed my point but o.k.