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  1. Kira
    there was nothing poetic about it, he literally said Guru Nanak Dev Ji melted into thin air. Bhai Gurdas Ji's poetic verses are kept separate from his historical ones, you would know that if you read them. The prose used here was literal, and the evidence is in the proverbial pudding as it describes the journey, the encounter and the delegation. The same thing is written in Bhai Mani Singh Ji's janamsakhis and Bhai Bala Jis ones too I believe.
  2. Kira
    Bhai Gurdas Ji said he did, And Guru Arjun Dev Ji put his seal on his work. So both of them are liars then according to you?
  3. Kira
    That's not answering my question, did Guru Nanak Dev Ji melt into air and disappear infront of a congregation no less, and travel the entire universe?
  4. Kira
    Don't deflect my questions. Guru Nanak Dev Ji melted into thin air and in less than a second went everywhere in the universe, did that happen or not. The Knowledge of Akaal will come to me when he deems me worthy (if ever), my mind has evolved. In fact if i look back at my earlier posts im a completely different person in terms of what I believe because unlike you, I evolved depending on what was presented to me. The way to Nirankaar is what Guru Sahib said in his bani and his Rehitnamas, I'm happy following them. You're free to follow your own mind, all you've done so far is thrown out every scripture that doesn't agree with you. No big.
  5. Kira
    He gave them Darshan so yes he was there. He only went to meet them and thus it was done. Just as Bhagat Prahlad was saved by Narsimha, after his work was done. He was gone. Thus Guru Sahib gave them amrit and Darshan (as they wished) and simply assumed their nirgun form once again.
  6. Kira
    You wanted sources and you got them. Baba Deep Singh Ji fought without his head, by your logic (since that doesn't fit with the "conventional" truth) that was a lie and never happened. Guru Nanak Dev Ji took Pir Dastagir's child all through the cosmos, that's defying the speed of light thus breaking scientific "law". I guess that didn't happen, but wait. Bhai Gurdas Ji said it did, so who will you believe? are you calling Bhai Sahib a liar? There's a relic in the house of a muslim family that Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave them, it lets in milk but whenever anything else is put into it, it pours it out from its holes. Guess that's all false too. I could go on..but really.
  7. Kira
    And I've already stated Guru Nanak Dev Ji gave them Darshan and then Amrit. Why is that hard for you understand? Guru Nanak Dev Ji isn't bound by time, he is Akaal Purkh. He can do whatever he please. Puratan sources state this, but let me guess. They knew nothing...but wait now we have Sukhvirk! the one sole champion who will revive Sikhi which conveniently died out completely after the 10th Master left his earthly form!
  8. Kira
    Suraj Prakash Granth, the Twarikh Guru Khalsa and also the oral history recorded by Taksal.
  9. Kira
    Bhai Vir Singh Ji stated this, so did MahaKavi Santokh Singh Ji, both of them are gems in terms of gathering Sikh History. So save me the tantrum. If you want links then I'm happy to show you, but I doubt you'll read them.
  10. Kira
    So all the Puratan Sources that say Guru Nanak Dev Ji met Bhagat Kabir Ji are wrong? all the Brahmgyanis who also said this all of them are wrong? all the historical texts where I bet you quote history from, all of them are wrong? Right. See you're the one calling me names here, you've yet to cite an actual source. I'm still waiting.
  11. Kira
    The Farid you keep babbling on about is Farid the first, the one in Gurbani is Farid the second. My world is perfectly fine, their timelines overlapped. I even sent over a link in the old thread, one you clearly didn't open (which was written by a Sikh historian). One you even made me find you the exact page on. Seriously, all you've demonstrated is you have no love for learning. I've sent links but its apparent you didn't even open them.
  12. Kira
    Guru Nanak Dev Ji did. You know you're literally showing everyone here how much disrespect you have for Amrit as a whole. So much for being a Sikh.
  13. Kira
    So please explain to me what it is. Also please cite Puratan sources to back your view up.
  14. Kira
    After he drank Amrit and became one with God, yes he dwelled in Sach-Khand. Just like everyone else, after they drink Amrit and meditate with God.
  15. Kira
    WE literally give you evidence that he was around during Guru Nanak Dev Ji's time. I swear it's like you're purposely trying to look dense. Like I said before, Guru Nanak Dev Ji (also known as the Shabad Guru, Akaal Purkh himself) has been around since the dawn of time, he met them alright and gave them amrit. Why is that a difficult concept for you to get into your head? it's literally the introduction into the modern day SGPC Reharas Sahib.
  16. Kira
    Anyone that takes refuge with the Satguru as I said there, can achieve SachKhand. The only Satguru around as of now is Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Kapish?
  17. Kira
    May I also be so humble as to suggest maybe go back to the basics. Go read some of the Puratan texts, I've referenced them multiple times for you but its like you have such a huge ego you refuse to read or even acknowledge them. The concepts are easy enough to understand, if you can't understand them. Then do let us know, we'll be happy to send you to reliable sources from Sikh literature to help you. And again, its like talking to someone who can't read. You tried this very thing with the Sheikh Farid thread, and got evidence thrown at you in the buckloads. The Bhagats all took Amrit from Satguru Nanak Dev Ji, this is mentioned multiple times in multiple sikh sources. Their Darshan was different and unique. To you it would. The irony of this is you never touch a single source that doesn't agree with you, you can't even read Gurmukhi yet you're sitting here lecturing others on what is and what isn't a Sikh.
  18. Kira
    It's an easy concept to understand, Im more than happy going there but the reason you wont is because it flies over your head. Guru Nanak Dev Ji is the Shabad Guru, Where have I suddenly excluded him? its only in your warped mind that I somehow excluded him. I really don't need to get "giddy" with anyone, you're coming on a Sikh forum to try and propagate but your credentials are what now? you've not read any Puratan sources, I bet the most you know about Sikhism is from those kids story books. Guru Nanak Dev Ji is the Shabad Guru and the Shabad Guru is God. If that's a difficult concept for you to understand then maybe you need to go and read more. No, I'm making a statement based on facts. Amrit was always the first step, without it all else is meaningless. Go and read the book I sent to @GurjantGnostic , The fact that you think its a meaningless ritual really goes to show how much respect you have for Guru Gobind Singh Ji.
  19. Kira
    I'll give you something simpler bro. Read this. http://www.vidhia.com/Bhai Randheer Singh Ji/Meaning-of-amrit.pdf It's a life changer and its in english, if you want the Punjabi version I can send a link too.
  20. Kira
    No one said that bro. Amrit is the first step, you need to walk before you run.
  21. Kira
    of course Naam is required. But there was a reason why Charan Pahul was started, one can sit here and recite bani all we wish, but we require a Satguru to take us to God. Satguru is Akaal Purkh, by drinking their amrit we're becoming theirs and theirs alone.
  22. Kira
    Maybe go back and learn the concept of Sargun, Nirgun and how it interlinks with the Shabad. The fact that you don't seem to even know who or what Guru Nanak Dev Ji was is a sign of just how daft your attempts to seem reasonable are.
  23. Kira
    There's wisdom in every religion, all the prophets who came before Satguru Nanak Dev Ji can take their followers far...but not to Sach Khand. Only with the help of a Satguru can one reach God, and the only Satguru around (ever) has been th Shabad Guru in the form of Guru Granth Sahib Ji now.
  24. Kira
    You need Amrit to get Mukhti bro, there are plenty of Sakhis that prove that. Even in higher up realms, it takes a large amount of Spiritual Power and Kamai to be born human, let alone be born into a Sikhi family. Even Devtas come into Sikh families to get Amrit and gain Mukhti.
  25. Kira
    Of course you dont know what source its from. Prem Sumarag Granth
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