Kira

Learn Shaster vidya, that's all I can say. Learn Martial arts, anything. Just take precautions. That was the order of Mahakaal and that's the only way we'll reach anywhere. Don't take this the wrong way (im not aiming this at you at all, this is a general note) but the Kirpans typically worn are just like the Janyu (sacred thread) worn by the hindus now (this was the bachan of a Sant if I recall right), that's why we need to adapt a bit more.

SO are you now on board for people keeping guns and weapons?

This topic is ironic in so many ways.

check your spams bro, i found my email there.

It would be so easy to manipulate a cyber hukamnama, like an entry level computer science student could do it. Cyber Hukamnamas, what next bro? Amrit dispensaries? robots doing langar seva? automatic chaur sahibs?

I dont know man, I mean its easy to tamper with Hukamnamas from the web (algorithms for certain ones to only appear), just to be on the safe side, I'd go and get one from Guru Ji at a Gurudwara. Get a Granthi or take it yourself I mean. If you want to use this medium then feel free but imho its better to go and get one in person.

Can personally attest to this. Uni is just nasty on that front.

I wonder if along with morality, social intelligence is slowly decreasing in Kalyug.

I swear some of you guys dont recognise a joke when its presented to you.

I had a sneaky suspicion it was meant to remain gupt, even while I was reading it, I felt i was trespassing on something majorly important. The entire vibe of the Granth is something else completely.

Celibacy is allowed, there were many many great Mahapurkhs in the Panth who were Celibate (Baba Deep Singh Ji Shaheed for example), but the life of the householder is still optimal. You could (and imo should) find a Sikh groom for yourself, I'm sure there are plenty of connections who can help you out there. As for communities..well they're temporary, you'll find new ones and your family will in time learn to accept your choice as time heals all wounds. Just be strong and have faith in Maharaj, He's the master of both worlds and he will do what is right for you.

During my conspiracy nutjob phase (this came before my missionary phase, I am a very phased man) I found all sorts of ways to verify these sort of things. For a theoretical secret order within the Panth you'd have several ways of verifying it. 1) Current Brahmgyanis would be aware of it, as they are all knowing. 2) Guru Ji (if he did start one, again hypothetical, no way in hell do I know what Guru Ji thinks) could easily have given them signed documents which you could easily cross examine with the documentations of more public records where we can see Guru Ji's sign and seal. Plus there would be hints all through the history books, even Loh Prakash Granth is hinted at in Dasam Granth. 3) Most likely they'd be very spiritually powerful and spiritually high members, it wouldnt be far fetched that they could demonstrate some sort of spiritual awareness. This sorta allowed (based on what iv read) in situations where the true Believer is involved.

The Knowledge was still kept Gupt for 3 yugs, it came out eventually but they were tasked with a secret that later came out on the order of the Guru. My point still stands, it was originally buried so no one knew it even existed. OP is referring to Sikh organisations that might exist. For all we know Guru Ji did start a secret group with a select task, He's done it before in Satyug (again Im not saying I know what the Guru is thinking, no one can do that. Only he knows but im hypothesising), in many cases these organisations might actually do some pretty important things. imagine a secret organisation with original manuscripts, told to always remain underground to guard them (every single document written by Guru Ji and his sikhs) would be instrumental in keeping certain parts of our heritage around in some shape of form, look at the state of things now. Dasam Granth is constantly attacked, we have people here who constantly deny historical events written in our books and choose to believe the tales of some modern day sunday sikh. Dont get me wrong, im not saying Sikhs should join them. We definitely don't know enough about them but if a Sikh style organisation did emerge that was dedicated solely to issues relating to the Panth, it might actually be somewhat beneficial. Afterall there's alot of power in secrecy.

What about societies like the 9 unknown men (providing they exist and aren't just rumors) there's surely some things within the panth that were kept gupt by some organisation for reasons unknown to the general. I mean Loh Prakash Granth was buried for aeons by the Rishis on the orders of Guru Sahib.

As far as I know the whole "initial" reason shouldn't exist in the first place, everything is Akaal and this is just a manifestation of his play, the whole "first sin" would only work if we as a creation were separate from the creator, but at the core we're not separate from Akaal .

I don't think that's what OP means. He means societies like the Nine Unknown Men. Sort of like Gupt secrets that only they would be privy to.

The point is there's 2 sides to this verse, Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji showed one side and Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji also showed another side.

Kundalini Yoga is just yoga to help control the rise of Kundalini Power really, using it as a tool to reach Akaal isn't right but using it to help control its flow and promote a healthy spiritual lifestyle isn't wrong. Heck, in some instances Gurbani is so strong that it starts to move the Kundalini to the point that the practitioner can't really handle it, in these instances this is a handy tool to help control the influx and movement of chakras, providing you don't have a Sant to help you out .

Yeah, Guru Ji invokes Bhagauti/Shakti as being the one residing over the Panth.

can you source this btw.

The translations most sikhs are on a whole completely misleading. They're far too Western-centric as a result core principles are totally lost within them.

1) Similar nitnems or Maryada mean nothing. Depending on the lifestyle different marayadas and different nitnems are used, that's common sense. Why would a warrior lead the same lifestyle as a e.g baker. That's why their Marayadas differ but both are Parvan because they lead different lifestyles. 2) Except there is historical records of it, you can find it in places like Amir Bhandar Steek and steeks from the 19th century, to find records you need to know the various names the oraganisation takes as they change through the courseof history ,Both Samparadayas lay claim to the lineage and both don't refute the other, the opposite actually as both consider each other brothers, there's no conflict there. Why the hatred for Nihangs? because they eat meat? There's plenty of historical sources that say Sikhs ate meat, what intoxicants are you talking about? is this about Shaheedi Degh? A universal rehit will and has never existed, due to the fact that there were several traditional organisations within the panth all doing their own seva for it. One can't be applied to the other. "Mainstream" sikhs are also misguided, some believe that all paths lead to God, most wouldn't even know the 5 Banis, so why are you concerned with the mainstream panth. There were several pages on SA about this very issue, I urge you to go and read them. They're pretty good.

I knew a dude (when he was doing bani jaap) that used to heat up while reciting any bani, he never burst into flames but he'd start to sweat and become super super warm, even in cold rooms. He said that in the presence of Maharaj it was 10x worse as the amount of Power coming from the bani and being in the presence of Jagat Guru was too much.

Nah bro, thanks though. I'm looking for Banis like the Kavachs, or well. I guess to be more precise, bani that specifically mentions the "kavach" so to speak.

Again you're confusing several things here. Firstly the oral history from both traditions in this situation is 100% the same with some minor details obviously, something that one or the other would be privy too. The "oral" history that you're mentioning regarding the takhat is different from a recount, that is historical explanation. The oral history in the 1984 incident is that Akaal Takhat was destroyed and Baba Santa Singh Ji rebuilt it. The reasons why he did that is with Budhha Dal, Taksal also note that Baba Santa Singh Ji rebuilt it but have a differing opinion on reasons, not the event, both accept the event happened. The history is the same, the only difference is the reasons. Which in this instance is totally and utterly inconsequential since the discussion is if Baba Ji error-ed and fell off the path, which both traditions agree he did. Sant Jarnail Singh Ji is also a historian and a Brahmgyani, that status alone trumps anything any human historian can say. I have read letters by Baba Banda Singh Bahadur Ji but the ones I read were dated relatively near the time of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's leave to Sachkhand, that's why I asked you to post the others. As the dates are extremely significant. You really need to read the Granths, they praise Baba Ji. So does Taksal, So does Dal. He was a Panth Soorma of the highest calibre yet they all know he error-ed and fell off the path. This isn't a new argument, the reason you've never heard of it is because you've (im sorry if I sound callous) seem to want to take the words of a human being over that of Brahmgyanis, this was all recorded in the oral traditions, its always been the reason. Even SP and PP both exhalt Baba Ji, even in Shaheedi, until you actually read them with an open mind everything will seem like slander. Just here you tried to insinuate that Sant Jarnail Singh Ji is somehow unaware of what actually happened, that he simply sat down one day, read something and then repeated it like a parrot. Sant Ji was a scholar of the highest degree. Bhai Mani Singh Ji was busy doing his own seva for the panth. Baba Deep Singh Ji was busy doing his own seva, the only time (that I can remember historically of the top of my head where they fought together was during the Battle of Sirhind, which everyone agreed was part of Guru Ji's order) he was serving the panth with Baba Banda Singh Ji was during the battle of Sirhind, after that he was assigned his own misl and disappears from the , none of them were at or even following under Baba Banda Singh Bahadur Ji, they weren't present during this time when Baba Ji did this. There were plenty of sikhs around that did follow Baba Ji during that period, just like there were plenty of misguided sikhs who followed Baba Ram Rai Ji when he claimed to be Guru.