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  1. You speak truth my friend. Would you recommend Windlass, something like their Light Cavalry Sabre? I really am looking for handmade sarbloh.
  2. I've been told that the latter slow tempo style is classical/dhrupad/semi-dhrupad but the question remains whether they have the same core basis and whether all ustaads can teach the second type? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
  3. Sorry for the delayed response to this, I have been off the internet for many months. I disagree with your view as if you consider the situation in the UK (and now Australia), the open wearing of kirpan is not only legal, but to abuse a Sikh or ask them to hide it is a hate crime. It is entirely about educating the general public which can only come through wearing the kirpan openly and explaining when challenged that it is not a weapon. To feel "uncomfortable" with the "other" is not acceptable- it is called racism and/or discrimination. Black people are feared and loathed for simply being black in many parts of North America. This is the same anglo perspective which you're dealing with. It can and must be challenged.
  4. Yes this seems to be the general consensus unfortunately, although one Nihang Singh has promised to find something for me. Any contacts for Sarbloh wale please? I'd like to get some good copies/reproductions made of Guru's puratan shastar and artefacts that are on display.
  5. As opposed to the non-existent evidence for the history as presently taught by the Indians? You're having a laugh aren't you? To understand the situation of women at that time, just look at Afghanistan today. It is a fact that there were almost no women on the hill. Even the official painting of vaisakhi currently hanging in Bangla Sahib shows only men in the crowd. It is a fact that women were initiated alongside men, were present in subsequent panj piare and were great warriors, wearing unisex clothing. I need not provide any sources, these are known facts. As to the fact of the young woman who stood up first, this history has been passed down orally and can be sought from the Guru directly. If you are a Sikh, then by all means talk to the Guru and ask for confirmation. If you are not a Sikh you cannot talk to the Guru and are not eligible for challenging me here.
  6. The backward Indian sardars and sadly many of their foreign born diaspora have deeply rooted cultural baggage which includes patriarchy and treating women as chattel; only worthy for warming beds, cooking, cleaning, raising children etc. This isn't just an Indian thing (South Indians are completely different), nor is it a North Indian thing; somehow the sardars are amongst the most extreme: female child genocide amongst this group is the highest in India considering the high level of literacy. Alternative facts to challenge your small minds: On vaisakhi day 1699, hardly any women were to be seen in the open, for they were barred from walking in public. Of those handful of women, young or old who made it to the hill in amongst thousands of men, all stood up when the Guru called for heads. One old woman was pulled down by her family- they said she had gone mad. A young woman called Shanti Devi was jeered at by men as she made her way to the front; in crude and abusive language they asked for what purpose was she going into a tent with a youthful man? Later on she was raped and burnt alive by her family members for the crime of dishonouring the family. Guru Gobind Singh saw all but could not intervene as if 5 women entered his tent, he would forever be known in Sardar history as a womaniser. Eventually Daya Ram stood up. Women were however immediately initiated into the Khalsa alongside men and panj piare thereon always had from 2-5 women in them. These facts have been suppressed. Another fun fact: Women are stronger and braver than men. waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
  7. There are some techniques to actual simran, one's life needs to be attune to the Guru and one needs to understand the inherent value of simran which comes through the Guru. These three things must happen simultaneously. Some jatha walas worship their founder leaders on the basis of ridhi-sidhi. They claim that these things are testament to the fact that their chap (yes, invariably a man) has done everything right so copy his one low life and forget about the Guru's 10 pure lives. One such greatly worshipped man (now deceased) taught his followers that until and unless they experience this great powers, they aren't doing it right. Sadly he was mistaken: These ridha-sidha are entirely irrelevant. Your mind being washed of its filth is a prize, power and award that only the greatest bhagti can get, for even the ridhi-sidhi so called mahapurakh hasn't been able to conquer his own houmai. Going from being conceited and angry to seeing God in all directions is the Guru's true gift. This is the most basic of truths that the Guru tells. Do a true ardaas and the Guru will oblige. waheguru ki ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
  8. waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh Question for the Raagi Gyanis and Ustaads: I am trying to differentiate between the main raag keertan styles. In the big Gurdwaras, the tanti saaj Raagis sing in a sing-a-long fashion (repeating melody, rapid progress through the shabad). However there is another rarely heard style where the singing is very different: substantive vibrato/voice echo, slow progress- once verse may be chewed upon for a very long time with great emotion and improvisation. Listen to the following two clips which demonstrate this (Man Japoh Ram Gopal - 1 in 'sing-a-long' style and 2 in the 'slow tempo' style). -Are there any names to describe these two types of vocalisation? Is it correct to say that the vocalisation of the latter is a genre such as Dhrupad? -In simple terms what is the difference between the two? Do they have the same core basis? -Can all ustaads teach the second type? Sample 1-Raag Kanra- Man Japo Ram Gopal-Prof Surinder Singh.mp3 Sample 2-Raag Kanra- Man Japo Ram Gopal-Ustad Harbhajan Singh, Balwant Singh Namdhari..mp3
  9. Have no doubt that the armed forces of modern nation states are mere pawns of the political ruling class and the military-industrial complex. They are mercenaries fighting for blood lust, money, fame, ideology and a false sense of patriotism. A Sikh is sovereign and bows only to the Guru. They do not do the bidding of politicians and industrialists. The subtlety of the Gurus messages is lost on many Sardars. Read the Zafarnama: Make peace, not war. Fighting is not glorious, rather it is a matter of sadness that humanity has reached rock bottom. The Gurus spread love, peace and unity even in difficult and testing times. Think of it this way- a mother is forced to discipline a wayward child because he is intent on causing great harm. Will she ruthlessly murder him, or appeal with love, put her body in harm's way and if absolutely necessary, forcefully but lovingingly hold his hand? The Guru did not fight against soldiers on the battlefield, but rather was faced with the difficult circumstances of dealing with his wayward children (read mercenaries fighting for rulers). He healed the wounded and gave them the choice: Love and leave or go back again on the battle field. Many cried and were humbled by these words. Did the Guru try to assassinate the Mughal emperor or instead give their head in sacrifice/ continue to try and make peace till the end? Yet the narrative spun by the Indian sardars (and therefore their diaspora) is the common Old World War philosophy. This is why it is Sant Sipahi and not the other way around. One can only wield the sword if one is a saint and a saint is never angry, never holds vengeance and has no enemies- they love everyone even if the opposing party is trying to kill him. Love ultimately defeats anger and only the sant can perform these actions. What is the point of learning shastar vidhya when you don't know how to fight the battles the world faces today (consumerism, water about to run out, ecological genocide etc)? Fighting is the easy part. What about spreading peace and love amongst the entire world? What did the Sikhs ever do for the various genocides that have killed millions yet beat their chest and cry on the global stage about the thousands that died because some sardars decided to take vengeance? Where are the Guru Tegh Bahadurs of today who would have been first in line to be killed in order to save the drinking water at Standing Rock? The Guru's vidhya is not shastar vidhya but rather pure love. Raising a sword is nothing special- it has been done by drones throughout the ages. This is all a false narrative. You need to re-adjust the lens with which you are looking at the world and your place in it, if you think that there is any relation or usefulness of Sikhs being involved with any nation state's armed forces. The purpose of the Sikh is to usher in a new age of Satyug, where wars have ended, where the cause of conflict has ended. Are you looking at root causes of problems in society and solving them? It is easy to be reactionary, easy to jump the gun and shoot from the hip. It is easy to be an angry ignorant redneck, but it takes Gods grace to be his true Sikh. It is only the Sikhs and not any other other who have access to the ultimate truth. Will they listen? Or will they fall prey to the Eastern/Western Old World philosophies of anger-kill-destroy-glory-falsepride? Bear in mind that I am ready and prepared to die to serve the guru and have been saved from certain death many times including Gun toting Indian Soldiers and Knife wielding Hindu Mobs so I'm not talking through my backside. I'm not a part-time sikh who wears Bana only on a Sunday or for show. Heed my words: Fall at the feet of the Guru and learn. Wipe your mind clean with the shabad and be prepared to change your life beyond your initial comfort zone. Forget about your job, career, friends, even citizenship. Be a Sikh and only a Sikh. Life is too short and precious to waste. Go to Africa. Go to China. Save the world, make it a better place for one and all. Do it now. The Guru knows all. Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
  10. waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh I'm sorry if this is a repeat thread, but I couldn't find any conclusive information elsewhere. I'm looking to acquire genuine puratan shastar in India, the likes of 2-3' shamsheer, tegha, khanda, chakra etc. This won't be for a private collection, not would it be sold on for a profit. What are they likely to cost? Sikhs did also use European made/style cavalry sabres, which are readily available as antiques in the UK etc. These can be easily distinguished by use of carbon steel, a western style hilt and issue markings on the blade. Is it possible to find such antiques in India- many thousands would have been in active service in the 19th century? I'm also looking for good Sarbloh wale to copy/reproduce puratan artefacts. Any contacts for humble and rehitwale sikhs would be most appreciated. Address/personal introduction preferred as daas does not have a telephone.
  11. waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh I'm so sorry I missed your post. I have been delayed travelling to Anandpur Sahib to get the measurements. In fact I plan to visit next week. I doubt they will let me touch Guru Sahib's artefacts but perhaps they may allow someone well respected to take measurements. Any suggestions are welcome. From the photos whilst exact measurements are not clear (possibly 7-8 inches blade, 12-14" total), proportions may be deduced i.e. ratio of blade:handle is 4:3 (meaning long handle), handle is quite narrow/roundish and the blade straight curving inwards slightly at the end. The sheath is leather and is long enough to hold the blade and 1/3 of the handle. As an update I ran into an old Nihang Singh who was carrying a puratan kakkar kirpan which was straight. He also happened to have a curved tip knife which resembled the standard taksali kirpan, which he himself said was an arab knife. Some locally made/puratan nihang kakkar kirpans are apparently straight. Exact measurements will have to be taken from the original. It should not be too difficult for good sarbloh wale to reproduce. Any contacts will be helpful.
  12. This so called khalistan is deeply offensive and derogatory to me and my Guru- if only you would begin to understand that the whole world, the whole universe and beyond is home to the Sikh and that anyone can be a Sikh. The purpose of Sikhs is to usher in a new age of sat yug. This is a global situation. Most if not all of you are residents of Western countries. Conduct your duties and responsibilities as a Sikh where you live. Sikhs are to be the example of the absolute truth in society. The Guru rejects boundaries and political maps. There is no religion called Sikhism- it is the universal truth for one and all and the so called sikhs are failing in this regard- merely wanting to copy the abrahamic religions, each of whom have their own holy cities and nations. Sikhs are beyond religion. They are beyond nations. They are meant to be the embodiment of the Guru, sacrificing their lives to make this world a better place. Yet the trending topics on this forum right now are "Gurdwara fight", "Khalistan referendum" and "Intercaste marriage". As a non Punjabi, these topics have nothing to do with me. As a Sikh and world citizen, my duty is only to the Guru. The most pressing issues in the world today are environmental destruction and global warming, capitalism and consumerism and the political-religious warmongering. Whilst the world is headed to certain destruction, the Guru looks to the Khalsa who he gave the responsibility to protect and save the world. Yet where is this Khalsa? Busy carrying the cultural baggage from their great-grandfather's pind? People are being blown up with grenades by paramilitary in North Dakota. Standing rock will be remembered by future generations as a historic ocassion when those who stood for the right values in society, fought and gave their all for a better world. God will always remember that the so called Sikhs of the 21st century, busy banging on about some hypothetical religious Vatican City/Mecca style religious nation state where they can practice their tainted and culturally-loaded religion and brandish big egos and weaponary and raise slogans against people they hate. What happens to these big egos and kirpans when it's time to face up to the fact that unless the world acts RIGHT NOW, global fresh water supplies will run out by 2040, war extreme suffering will prevail (UN report). Those very same people who talk big become mice and hide in the crevices. Are they sikhs? Now before you get upset and rant against this message, just think about what the Guru expects of you. A true Sikh is one who, upon hearing the words of ethics or of personal failure, will drop before the Guru and beg for guidance and strength. Be that Sikh. Dhan Guru Granth Sahib ji, the one and only Guru, the Shabad Guru is here for one and all to guide. Seek the Guru. Leave behind your great-grandtather's cultural baggage. Reject religion. Accept only God. Give your head to the Guru and mean it. Save the world. Do it now. Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
  13. Since it is in bold, are you war worthy? And what war specifically are you worthy for in context of the great problems facing the world today? Are you ready and prepared to die if I passed on an assignment to you? Far from just asking whether you know how to use shastar, do you even know what war to fight and what shape and form that fight looks like? Do you understand that war is the ultimate-last resort? What actions are you undertaking to resolve the situation that you refer to? Fat lot of good your war worthy shield is going to do when you don't know and don't care about the huge global problems in the world that the Sikhs are supposed to be fighting for. Sikhs must always ask the deeper questions that lie at the root of all things, actions, thoughts and decisions. It is useful to do an ardaas and plead the Guru for the benefit of automated guidance in life so that everything can always be put into the context of the Guru's truth.
  14. Sikhs have been badly affected by Christian influences of "compassion" and "forgiveness". It surprises me that this should be a subject at all when nirbhau nirvair is right there in the mool mantar. If one does not hold enmity, there is nothing to forgive because you never held a grudge in the first place. If one has no anger and there is no enmity, revenge is not in the picture. When you are the God's servant, you are 100% dedicated to serving the Guru so part-time Christian "compassion" need not figure as you are joined to the fountainhead of compassion. By going right to the root of things, there is no need for any debate on questions of "compassion" etc as it has become internalised and automatic like one's breath. The Christian way is to look at life is being horrid and difficult (blame the devil), and so try to take upon some positive virtues when you can to earn a place in heaven and be a better person. Rid yourself of this mentality. Life is beautiful. "Heaven" is here and now. Humans themselves are responsible for all ills in society. The so called sikhs in the world today are engaged in unethical practices that cause poverty and environmental destruction elsewhere in the supply chain but push nominal messages of peace and love at the same time and so some cursory actions to make themselves feel good- this is the Christian influence acting out. A true Sikh will investigate their actions and inactions according to the Guru's ethical principles (bibek) and be very much aggrieved of the fact that we are in a Kali Yug and that we have fallen to be actors and participants in this Kali Yug rather than serving the Guru and fighting limb and tooth to make this world a better place for one and all. Another example of Sikhs pushing Christianised messages include Dasvand (=tithe), when the Guru asks for 100% of mind, body and wealth. Sikhs do not need money and live outside of a money economy, but today's so called sikhs are living in a money economy and engaging in unethical practices that fly against the face of positive principles. For a Sikh, a principled, ethical life is not part-time charity, something to do on a Sunday or a "nice" thing to imbibe in life- it is life itself; there is no other life- and it is perfectly natural and normal (it is the rest of society that has become corrupted). Punjabi cultural baggage also causes a lot of problems for Sikhs including Western diaspora who may be several generations removed from Punjab. Nearly everything in Punjabi and indeed most North Indian culture stands opposed to the Guru but nevertheless you have been brought up with it. Fact: Most things the Guru did or preached were never genuinely understood. It's like explaining complicated things to a village simpleton; they will interpret things in terms of what they already believe and understand and that is what has happened to the Guru's message as passed down through Punjabi/North Indian lineage. When the Guru talked to the crowds in Pubjab about sustainability and the biosphere they understood "live simple life" end of. I've met the so called sants and babas. On repeating the Guru's truths they just look dumbfounded and offer tea and biscuits to end the ackward silence. None can refute but they don't know and importantly- don't care and because of their ego (unwilling to admit that they have missed out on the Guru's truth), will not change themselves or others. Some of these people have been blessed with an internal spiritual strength and even through they do not understand, they have an intuitive understanding of the importance of it and will do all to help- these are true Sikh and I've met very few. What to do? If you want to learn the Guru's principles, forget every single thing that you have ever learned from your family, society etc and turn to the Guru with an open mind on every single matter in life. If you turn to the Guru with a true heart, you will be blessed with the truth. People ask me- tell us the truth then if you know so much, but I say why should I do so? The truth is with the Guru. Instead of paying lip service and performing your weekly rituals go and learn the truth from the Guru and you will then understand. Don't believe me or any baba or bhai sahib, the truth can only be known under circumstances that yield a natural life (sat yug) wherein the Guru is already part of your life without needing to know consciously, or in this dark age, take the great benefit of the Guru who is crying out with truth for all who want it. Or not. But just don't peach Christianied and Pubjabised messages.
  15. You can't believe websites without research. It is easy to paste photos and label them incorrectly. For the three photos in the link you referenced: 1. The two shastar and khanda are decorative dumalla shaster belong to Bagrian family in Sangrur. These never belonged to the Guru. They probably date to the 19th century as per style and usage (the Guru and his Sikhs did not carry symbolic/decorative dumalla shaster- only real full size usable shastar, whether in kamarkasa, gatra, dumalla, arms, legs or back. Dumalla shastar, particularly symbolic Khanda become very popular in the 19th century especially amongst Nihangs and Sikh reformists, including ironically Baba Ram Singh of Namdhari fame- as per historical accounts and paintings). 2. Baba Deep singh's "small (kakkar) kirpan" which is at Akal takht Sahib, which I have already posted before in this thread. The other examples in this photo are probably not authentic for reasons highlighted above. At Akal Takt sahib, they display this "small kirpan" and the Baba ji's full sized chakar and khanda (likely used for Amrit Sanchar) from the photo, to the public during their Purtan Shastar display session and not these small symbolic so called dumalla shaster, which I doubt was ever worn for reasons highlighted above. 3. The small artefact that is supposed to have been recovered from funeral pyre. Purpose unknown. It was not a dumalla shastar and purpose is unknown. Even if story is to be believed, provenance is not known. How did it reach Damdami taksal? Who claimed to have found it? Once again I will stress that I have started this thread specifically asking for information on the "small kakkar kirpan" as per authentic and verifiable sources, and not shaster, dumalla shastar, decorative pieces etc. There are few more examples of Gurdwaras holding "small kirpan" of famous Sikhs around India. Mata Sahib kaur e.g. in Delhi, which is supposed to be straight like Baba Deep Singh's. I will confirm this shortly. There must be other such examples. The Guru and Sikhs had access to so much Shaster that even if they once looked or set hand on it, Gurdwaras claim it was "theirs". Only some unique aretefacts such as kanga, kach, chola, and karad "small kirpan" are likely to have worn by them and out of these, only their single karad "small kirpan" worn 24/7 till death.