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I agrre PJ Singh . First he was born in Arya Samaji Family , even in his letters to family members he normally starts with om on the heading , saying namaste to mfamily members to conclude the letter . further during college days was drawn to Atheism ,and socialist ideology . i cannot understand why we are so hell bent on proving him Sikh . He was impressed by Guru Sahibaan as a norma Punjabi would , nothing less nothing more . What this present arguement will gain - nothing . I Repeat NOTHING . better let his soul be in rest wherever it is , and lts move further in our own ideology

The fact is no foreign force suceeded in holding for long land with difficult & different terrains - European Forces conquered Moscow but couldnot hold it , Gn Zorawar Singh conquered tibet but couldnot hold , Same way Afghans were conquered but no foreign army could hold for long , even in modern days with all hitech gadgets . That is fact and should be accepted

Only certain Sects in Sikh Faith stick to vegetarianism ( I too am a vegan , even avoiding taking Milk & milk products , but for different reasons ) , other Sects do not stick to it . I feel the arguements are meaningless considering even plants have life , and a single seed is life in itself . Best kirpaan cases are made from leather only . Dhaal , the shielfd used by Kirpan fighters in olden days was best made from Skin of Rhino .So many medicines are made from animal Body , Even Cheese is not perfect Vegan ( To curdle the cheese some extracts from intestines of calfs is used - I stopped eating it for this reason ) . Do we think that cows & Buffalows produce milk for human consumption ? and not for their calves ?Fact is no one can claim to be 100% vegan

Yes , historically it is correct . Gur Sahib married Mata Sundri after demise of Mata jito ji .

LOL , funny way , I am a sikh , but totally vegan ( )ot even dairy products do i use , except Ghee0 , I pay that i woudn't have to go thru such doubt clearing test - HAHAHAHA

Camomille or Chamoille ,as some call it , is not tea at all. It is stamen( the male part producing pollen in flower ) dried from the flowers of a plant with same name , grown in Europe .It has very soothing and calming effect , unlike tea which acts as stimulant . In iIndia , people in Himachal add Rhododendron petals for the same effect . Tea prepared from Green unprocessed leaves has very ghood quality Flavanoids ( anti oxidants )and is good for heealth. While the processed CTC (general Black Tea ) variety has very little of these good effects ( 70- 80 % lost during processing ) and added are some bad effects . Desi Masalaa (Khalsa Tea , desi chai or Chahta , Saunfa , GHaram Jal omg so many names ) is a concoctions of spices only sans real tea , and is good for general health & digestion

Plz do not ridicule me , Ihave seen it live on net and my family members were present there - there was no mention of returning of books from Reference library , no mention of pending issues like release of Detained singhs , no mention of recent jammu Kaand , even from Ardaas name of Gen Subeg singh was missing for the first time since 1985 . Fro news on Shaven heads get it at following link http://www.***anti-sikh website not allowed***/ਘਲੂਘਾਰਾ-ਦਿਵਸ-ਮੌਕੇ-ਦਰਬਾਰ-ਸ/

forgetting about acts of other communities - what happened at Akal takhat yesterday should be eye opener to anyone who is really worried about state of affairs in sikh World - First the so called Jathedar of Akal Takhat forgets to highlight the pending issues before the community , then some kirpan weilding youth with Dumallas tied on theirheads start shouting slogans and during fracas their dumallas fall off their heads - it is found that they are all shaven heads - the question is were they stooges or agents of inteli agenciesthen what the makkar Sena was doing (Makkar has appointed a fauj of his boys in the name of security of Complex) , or if they really were from sikh families then nothing is left to comment about the halat of Quaum - it was really painful to watch all that happening live

The statement of singh123456777 is a breaking news , is it backed with some historical evidence ?? About the maryada of Hazoor Sahib & patna sahib , lesser said is better ( they have many practices which are not to be called Sikhi ) It is good that discussion has taken off so we will get to know different opinions , and some newer facts I want comments of Akalifauj about the fact that 1 - Nihangs do not impart Khade da Amrit to Womenfolk , and also their nitnem is at variance from commonly accepted one . 2 - And also about different Maryada of AKJ 3 - What is wrong with the Sikh Rehat Maryada adopted by Akaal Takhat? I am waiting for further views by other brotherns too

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Did I quote SGPC ?, I am quoting only Akaal Takhat , are not we supposed to Follow Akaal Takhat ? Further If there is an authentic copy of Guru Sahib Ji's Edicts about Sikhi Rehat , then why maryada being followed by Damdami Taksaal , Akhand Kirtani Jatha & Nihang Jathebandis do not match ( All profess that the maryada being followed by them is real Maryada as explained by Dasam Patshah ji?)

What MARYADA you are referring to ? the one accepted & adopted by Akaal Takhat , or some else , followed by one from many sects ?

a SARBAT kHALSA IN EUROPE?!!! Idea looks attractive , but how the majority Sikh Diaspora view will be reflected ? if organised to discuss issues & problems of Brit Sikh Diaspora or by the community in europe , it is good but Global meet , i feel not feasible

I Do not find anything new in the topic of thread , all faiths of the world have the concept of FINAL MESSENGER . call it with any name . even Hindus profess by the KALKI AVTAAR - 24th incarnation of Vishnu . And even some sikh profess by this KALKI AVTAR , while gurbani has clearly discarded the concept of AVTAARS and the likes

I fully agree with you , instead of all the Brauhaha , why has no one quoted Rehat Maryada ( i know why, all the deras & so called mahapurushs have their owm maryada , and barring a few they do not accept finality of Maryada adopted by akal Takhat ) . Had any one , including the Singhni who started the thread , read the Rehat Maryada everything would have been crystal clear by only one reading . The very starting para of the Maryada says - Jo ISTRI YA PURUSH IK AKAAL PURAKH , DAS GURU SAHIBAAN 9 GURU NANAK DEV JI TON LAI KE GURU GOBIND SINGH JI TAK) SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB ATEY DAS GURU SAHIBAN DI BANI TE SIKHIA ATE DASHMESH JI DE AMRIT UTTE NISCHA RAKHDA HAI ATE KISEY HOR DHARAM NOO NAHI MANDA OH SIKH HAI Now at page 16 under heading ANAND SANSKAR , first line says that SIKH SIKHNI DA VIAH BINA JAAT PAAT GOT VICHARE DE HONA CHAHEEDA HAI ,the second line says - SIKH DI PTRI DA VIAH SIKH NAAL HEE HOVEY When we read the definition of sikh and first two lines of ANAND SANSKAAR togather , does any one has to explain further ? We have to and should follow the maryada without reading between lines - that is the only sentence i wish to add on my account FATEH

this has to happen when appointments are not on merit , but on other considerations .

the Questions to ponder over are 1 - Why we should not have our own calender ( Call it by any name - when i was a Kid I used to hear about Khalsa Samvat - starfting from Baisakh Sangrand - implying that it was solar calender & also Nanakshahi calender starting from Kartik Poornima ) 2 - before adopting a calender why not decide whether it would be solar or Lunar there after we can unaimously decide about the name

Many a times ads appearing on this site , just below the topic bar on the top are really disgusting eg some times it is ad of Lingerie , sometimes astrology ( Kundli etc ).which sometimes are very embarassing if going through the site in front of family . My question directed to the ADMINS is , it is necessary to have ads on the site just for financial reasons ? If yes , can this not be done away with some mandatory or voluntary contributions from members ? How much would be amnnual outlay required from such contributions

it is not state subject , energy & petro are central Govt jurisdictions - so for these matters Centre has to be approached .Right now the topic is Gas Subsidy , why drag water in it , anyway the water flows into Main Sarowar through Santokhsar ( which has been conceptualised to act as stabilisation unit so the main sarowar gets lesser silt alongwith fresh water , but now modern desilting plant is also installed ) via small underground canal called hansali and flows out through Kaulsar & two small sarovars near the complex called Gurdwara Baba deep Singh ji , back throu an unserground channel into river Beas .So emergency can be taken care of and will not be problem

Non subsidized domestic cylinder costs in india around 615Ruppe , subsidized one is for Rupee 425\426 ( gas 14.2 Kg ) Conmmercial Cylinder is sold for 1250 to 1350 depending on place of consumption (19 Kg) Thus gas for commercial costs not less than 65 a kg , while domestic non subsidy is around 43 per kg & domestic subsidized is about Rs 30 a kg ( one connection holder - the household gets 12 cylinders a year under subsidised rated & there after at non subsidised rates ) , While all eateries , restaurants etc have to buy gas at commercial rates . As langars are not run for profits , logically they should get gas at lesser prices than commercial establishments (* cost of gas to oil Co s is around Rs 584 per cylinder of 14.2 kg - according to price buildup documents available at websites of all gas ditributing Cos ) ie Rs 41.12 per Kg and the gurdwaras have to pay 65 per Kg for thier langar consumption , which includes hefty profit of more than 50 % ( 100(65-42)/42 )for govt. as all gas ditribution is through govt owned co's. and they forget that only gorrdwara langars supply food to ppl hit by natural calamities whenever needed , withut being asked As the other institutions like church , Masjid & mandirs do not run langars usually ( I have seen some Temples have kitchens associated with them , but certain payments have to be made for utilising the service - not like fre as in Langars at Guru Ghars ) these communities have no big issue in the context , and hence only Gurudwaras & thier Managements are time and again approaching Govt for charging fair price on gas supplied to Gurdwaras The rates given above can be verified from respective sites ( indane.co.in , ebharatgas.co.in , hindustanpertroleum.com )

M,y sources say this is incorrect .I am no big fan og The present SGPC management , but the fact is that the talk was about subsidy on cooking gas ( which is given on domestic consumption and was available to gurudwara langars till 2years back , when the then Congress Govt discouninued and considered Langars as commercial eateries and all Guru Ghars are now forced to buy commercial rate cooking gas cylinders - Subsidy on domestic consumption is app 45% of the cost ) and since it was withdrawn the SGPC management is trying to impress the regimes for supplying the cooking gas under domestic rates . Now please apply your mind and decide what is wrong in this ?

i agree with you fully . Actually we the elders are at fault as we ourselves do not set examples for the next gen, and the values get diluted after every generation , As vigilant mothers , only bibis , the bibis who have themselves have imbibed sikh values ,can bring the situation back to normal .This is my view , and all have their views about the problem so it would be interesting to get different views on th e matter

I think it i sthe other way round , all folk dances are ways to express our joy and pleasant mood , only people spoil the spirit of folk dances and it is not happening only in punjab or punjabi culture i have seen ppl grunnting about spoilage of folk culture by modernism

Any way you speak - No has the right to call himself Guru Nanak Dev Ji incarnate & our faith has no place for mythology .However you have right to hold your viewand I respect it BRO missed Asingh

Instead of trying to imbibe the teacings of Gurbani in our lifeand understanding the meaning of Gurbani, the zahar Guru , why do we indulge in such nonsense?